Spoke length, in between sizes?

Chuck Liu said:

Most of the spokes seem to come in even sizes. If I need spokes of length
285mm, but only 284mm or 286mm are available.... which spoke length should

I

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buy? Will the 286mm be too long?

Probably either will work. If the rim is a single wall type (where the spoke
nipple touches the rim strip), go for the smaller size so that a protruding
spoke won't cause a puncture.

I've also heard that DT spokes are measured differently than others. If you
use Spocalc, you may need to add 1mm to get the right DT size.

Ideally the spoke end should be flush with the top of the nipple.

Art Harris

Chuck-<< Most of the spokes seem to come in even sizes. If I need spokes of
length
285mm, but only 284mm or 286mm are available... >><BR><BR>

No, spokes come in 1mm lengths from low 200s thru 310 or so. Places that stock
or can get only even sizes are bein lazy....

If ya need 285, get those-call us we have 14/15 from 258 thru 304 or so...every
MM.

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

Chuck Liu said:

Most of the spokes seem to come in even sizes. If I need spokes of length
285mm, but only 284mm or 286mm are available.... which spoke length should I
buy? Will the 286mm be too long? Thanks!

Spokes come in all sizes, metric and inch. There is nothing
to prevent a spoke being cut to any imaginable length.
Distributors generally stock in 1mm increments. Your LBS
may buy every other millimeter as a convenience and there's
nothing wrong with that. Generally a touch long is preferred
over a touch short but 1mm either way is seldom critical.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

A Muzi said:

Chuck Liu said:

Most of the spokes seem to come in even sizes. If I need spokes of
length
285mm, but only 284mm or 286mm are available.... which spoke length
should I
buy? Will the 286mm be too long? Thanks!

Spokes come in all sizes, metric and inch. There is nothing to prevent a
spoke being cut to any imaginable length. Distributors generally stock
in 1mm increments. Your LBS may buy every other millimeter as a
convenience and there's nothing wrong with that. Generally a touch long
is preferred over a touch short but 1mm either way is seldom critical.

You can also do halvsies by using different lengths for leading/trailing
spokes. F'rinstance, if you calculations call for 294.5, you can use
294 leading and 295 trailing, if you're truly anal about getting the
"perfect" length.

Sheldon "Split The Diff" Brown
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Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041
http://harriscyclery.com
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Will this work with a larger spread? Say 292 leading & 298 trailing for a
calculated length of 295?

Any reason not to do it?

Thanks,

-Bruce-

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A Muzi said:

Chuck Liu said:

Most of the spokes seem to come in even sizes. If I need spokes of
length
285mm, but only 284mm or 286mm are available.... which spoke length
should I
buy? Will the 286mm be too long? Thanks!

Spokes come in all sizes, metric and inch. There is nothing to prevent a
spoke being cut to any imaginable length. Distributors generally stock
in 1mm increments. Your LBS may buy every other millimeter as a
convenience and there's nothing wrong with that. Generally a touch long
is preferred over a touch short but 1mm either way is seldom critical.

You can also do halvsies by using different lengths for leading/trailing
spokes. F'rinstance, if you calculations call for 294.5, you can use
294 leading and 295 trailing, if you're truly anal about getting the
"perfect" length.

Sheldon "Split The Diff" Brown
+---------------------------------------------------+
| Time shouldn't just pass; things should happen. |
| --Harry Turtledove |
+---------------------------------------------------+
Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041
http://harriscyclery.com
Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
http://captainbike.com http://sheldonbrown.com

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Spokes come in all sizes, metric and inch. There is nothing to prevent a
spoke being cut to any imaginable length. Distributors generally stock
in 1mm increments. Your LBS may buy every other millimeter as a
convenience and there's nothing wrong with that. Generally a touch long
is preferred over a touch short but 1mm either way is seldom critical.

I observed:

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You can also do halvsies by using different lengths for leading/trailing
spokes. F'rinstance, if you calculations call for 294.5, you can use
294 leading and 295 trailing, if you're truly anal about getting the
"perfect" length.

Bruce Lange top-posted:

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Will this work with a larger spread? Say 292 leading & 298 trailing
for a calculated length of 295?

Yep. I used to regularly do this, often by larger differences as a
preventative measure against fatigue failure of the leading spokes.

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Any reason not to do it?

Nope.

Sheldon "'Cross 2' Leading, 'Cross 4' Trailing, Actually Crossing
Thrice" Brown
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| perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. |
| Let him step to the music which he hears, |
| however measured or far away. -- Thoreau |
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Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041
http://harriscyclery.com
Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
http://captainbike.com http://sheldonbrown.com

Sheldon Brown said:

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> Spokes come in all sizes, metric and inch. There is nothing to
> prevent a spoke being cut to any imaginable length. Distributors
> generally stock in 1mm increments. Your LBS may buy every other
> millimeter as a convenience and there's nothing wrong with
> that. Generally a touch long is preferred over a touch short but
> 1mm either way is seldom critical. I observed:

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You can also do halvsies by using different lengths for
leading/trailing spokes. F'rinstance, if you calculations call
for 294.5, you can use 294 leading and 295 trailing, if you're
truly anal about getting the "perfect" length.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Will this work with a larger spread? Say 292 leading & 298 trailing
for a calculated length of 295?

Quoted message said:

Yep. I used to regularly do this, often by larger differences as a
preventative measure against fatigue failure of the leading spokes.

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Any reason not to do it?

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Nope.

So is spoke-set, wheel-set, crank-set, frame-set, and preventative the
new paradigm? What's wrong with spokes, wheels, cranks, frames and
preventive. These guys are all over the road(way) and ignore "danger
road construction ahead" signs that used to say "road work" affecting
(oops, impacting) cars on the road(way). Disirregardlessly of your
methodology, this is getting more longerer in the tooth with every
modifier and word extension.

Jobst Brandt
[email hidden]

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So is spoke-set, wheel-set, crank-set, frame-set, and preventative the
new paradigm? What's wrong with spokes, wheels, cranks, frames and
preventive. These guys are all over the road(way) and ignore "danger
road construction ahead" signs that used to say "road work" affecting
(oops, impacting) cars on the road(way). Disirregardlessly of your
methodology, this is getting more longerer in the tooth with every
modifier and word extension.

Sort of like having a user name of [email hidden] instead
of plain old Jobst Brandt?

Bill "couldn't resist" S.

Jobst doesn't like unnecessary redundancies that serve no useful
function or purpose:

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So is spoke-set, wheel-set, crank-set, frame-set, and preventative the
new paradigm? What's wrong with spokes, wheels, cranks, frames and
preventive. These guys are all over the road(way) and ignore "danger
road construction ahead" signs that used to say "road work" affecting
(oops, impacting) cars on the road(way). Disirregardlessly of your
methodology, this is getting more longerer in the tooth with every
modifier and word extension.

Check this out: http://www.austinlizards.com/AdultMoment/bigrio.html

Sheldon "The Bomb Was Still Ticking But It Hadn't Gone Off Yet" Brown
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| deep need to complain. -- Lily Tomlin |
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Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041
http://harriscyclery.com
Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
http://captainbike.com http://sheldonbrown.com

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Chuck Liu said:

Most of the spokes seem to come in even sizes. If I need spokes of length
285mm, but only 284mm or 286mm are available.... which spoke length should

I

Quoted message said:

buy? Will the 286mm be too long?

Probably either will work. If the rim is a single wall type (where the spoke
nipple touches the rim strip), go for the smaller size so that a protruding
spoke won't cause a puncture.

I've also heard that DT spokes are measured differently than others. If you
use Spocalc, you may need to add 1mm to get the right DT size.

like you(?), i thought DT measured to the outside of the hook but
not according to this:
<http://www.dtswiss.com/data/files/DAT_EN_30430224269.pdf>

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Ideally the spoke end should be flush with the top of the nipple.

Art Harris

"Chuck Liu" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Most of the spokes seem to come in even sizes. If I need spokes of length
285mm, but only 284mm or 286mm are available.... which spoke length should I
buy? Will the 286mm be too long? Thanks!

you do know the spoke will stretch over 1-mm in use?
i would not worry about it if using brass nips but i heard of Al
nips breaking at the rim if the spoke is not fully embedded.

On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 22:59:33 GMT, [email hidden]

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So is spoke-set, wheel-set, crank-set, frame-set, and preventative the
new paradigm? What's wrong with spokes, wheels, cranks, frames and

A spokeset (I've never heard that term) would clearly indicate a
complete collection of spokes for a wheel.

A wheelset (Never heard this either) would clearly indicate a
complete pair of (usually matched) wheels to fit a single bike
(rather than any number of random "wheels", maybe a 16" BMX rear and
a 700c aero front).

A crankset clearly indicates gears and two arms. "Crank" alone is
unclear; it could refer to an arm or a set, regardless (or
disirregardlessly) of what the standard is -- we know that many
people easily ignore standards.

Of course, that begs the question, why the word "Chainset" for a
crankset? That would be like referring to a handlebar as a
"Stemset".

Frameset? Well, IIRC, that's a word for a frame with an installed
fork. That's certainly different than a "frame", which does not
involve a fork and headset (or should we call that a "head"?).

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preventive. These guys are all over the road(way) and ignore "danger
road construction ahead" signs that used to say "road work" affecting

Sounds like lawyerese to me; but not nearly as bad as:
"Shin pads cannot protect any part of the body they do not cover."
(On a pair of shin guards made for bicyclists.)

It's also possible that there's no reason for it, just one sign
maker's product differing from another's.

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(oops, impacting) cars on the road(way). Disirregardlessly of your

"impacting" is no longer than "affecting".

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methodology, this is getting more longerer in the tooth with every
modifier and word extension.

Sometimes it's good to eliminate ambiguity. It's not necessary to
reject all modifiers or extensions just because some are silly.
--
Rick Onanian

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:42:27 -0400, Rick Onanian <[email hidden]>

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A wheelset (Never heard this either) would clearly indicate a

On further reflection, I realize that I have seen that term used,
pretty commonly, and I just never found it notable.
--
Rick Onanian

[email hidden] wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
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So is spoke-set, wheel-set, crank-set, frame-set, and preventative the
new paradigm? What's wrong with spokes, wheels, cranks, frames and
preventive. These guys are all over the road(way) and ignore "danger
road construction ahead" signs that used to say "road work" affecting
(oops, impacting) cars on the road(way). Disirregardlessly of your
methodology, this is getting more longerer in the tooth with every
modifier and word extension.

Jobst Brandt
[email hidden]

Jobst, I'll bet you don't watch TV weather reports. I've heard the
phrase "rain event" so often that I no longer have anything to throw
at the television.

Jeff

Jeff Wills said:

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So is spoke-set, wheel-set, crank-set, frame-set, and preventative
the new paradigm? What's wrong with spokes, wheels, cranks, frames
and preventive. These guys are all over the road(way) and ignore
"danger road construction ahead" signs that used to say "road work"
affecting (oops, impacting) cars on the road(way).
Disirregardlessly of your methodology, this is getting more
longerer in the tooth with every modifier and word extension.

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Jobst, I'll bet you don't watch TV weather reports. I've heard the
phrase "rain event" so often that I no longer have anything to throw
at the television.

Not to worry, my radio pumps out "shower activity" for showers and
"storm" for anything that isn't fair weather during our brief winter
here in the SF Bay Area. That goes along with "tanker trucks" for
tank trucks or just plain tankers. These are of course also called
"semi trucks" when in fact they are semitrailer trucks rather than
half trucks as the words imply, but then our designation for these
should probably remain with "semis" for lack of a better term.

Jobst Brandt
[email hidden]

spamski-<< Sounds like lawyerese to me; but not nearly as bad as: >><BR><BR>

'Computer set'-'for that ya get the keyboard, the processer, the screen, ya get
the whole damn thing'=apologys to Robert Shaw in 'Jaws'...

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

On 27 Apr 2004 12:31:56 GMT, [email hidden] (Qui si parla

Campagnolo ) said:

spamski-<< Sounds like lawyerese to me; but not nearly as bad as: >><BR><BR>

You always refer to me as 'spamski', and I have to say...it's
actually kinda funny. 😉

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'Computer set'-'for that ya get the keyboard, the processer, the screen, ya get
the whole damn thing'=apologys to Robert Shaw in 'Jaws'...

Try working in the computer retail sales/repair business for a few
years before you think "computer set" is a bad idea.

No two customers have the same terminology to refer to any part or
the whole set. They ask why the advertised "complete system" is so
much more expensive than the other store's computer without a
monitor.

When a customer asks what they need to bring in for a repair, you
have to give them a whole spiel -- "Bring in just the computer
itself, the part where all the cables go into that has the cd-rom
drive in it" sometimes works (unless, of course, you want them to
bring in their monitor and printer and keyboard for some reason;
then you have to spend five minutes describing what to bring).

At least there's no doubt what the customer needs to bring in to a
bike shop -- if you say "bring in your bike", they know exactly what
to bring.
--
Rick Onanian