Broadband Linux Bicycle

bob watkinson said:

"Richard Bates" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I've finally got my linux machine working with BTOpenwoe broadband.
Now I've got to swap all my bikes' components to Campag ;-)

Probably a smidge easier than working with Linux

Yeah, but that's how the world works isn't it...

Windows - Easy but [censored].
Linux - Difficult but good.

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bob watkinson said:

"Richard Bates" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I've finally got my linux machine working with BTOpenwoe broadband.
Now I've got to swap all my bikes' components to Campag ;-)

Probably a smidge easier than working with Linux

Nonsense... it just takes a bit of practice! I'm just about getting the
hang of it now, after 20 years using similar things (:

Steve

"Richard Bates" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I've finally got my linux machine working with BTOpenwoe broadband.
Now I've got to swap all my bikes' components to Campag ;-)

Probably a smidge easier than working with Linux

Richard Bates said:

I've finally got my linux machine working with BTOpenwoe broadband.
Now I've got to swap all my bikes' components to Campag ;-)

SRAM, surely? Campag are just Apple.

Succorso said:

Yeah, but that's how the world works isn't it...

Windows - Easy but [censored].

Windows - [censored] - but we've learned all its little inconsistancies and
how to work with it, and don't mind too much when Microsoft keep
changing them. It took so much investment of time learning how to deal
with Windows, most would be afraid of trying anything different.

I started on BBC Basic, then RISCOS, then tried Windows 3.11, hated it,
and moved to HPUX then Linux. Switching to Windows NT when work required
it was as much a paradigm shift for me as a Windows person switching to
Linux. Its not about user friendlyness - its about what you're used to -
and Windows NT was very inconsistant and not intuitive at all.
Fortunately I was brought up on IBM's Common User Interface Guidelines,
so had a good idea how things worked in principle, so it wasn't too hard
to learn.

Quoted message said:

Linux - Difficult but good.

Linux - I'd learned all its little niggles and how to work with it and
how the model works. The underlying UNIX model is different to Windows,
but internally consistant, and in some ways works very well. Everything
is a file, and there's no such thing as a sharing violation.

Then some people came along and said "Linux should be made like
Windows", and things got a little mixed up - but fortunately differences
are being resolved, and middle button paste is working again in most
apps (even though Eclipse needs CTRL-V still, at least it pastes the
primary selection, so it half fits in), and I've not seen a file dialog
try to represent the filesystem as Windows like drive letters for some
time (Word Perfect), or a program try to save user data into its read
only install directory (Eclipse, many others).

The funny thing is that Microsoft keep "innovating" ideas from Linux,
like auto completing file dialogs and the "Show Desktop" button, home
directories, primary selection in terminals, and Longhorn screenshots
remind me of FVWM2 in many ways. Meanwhile some factions in Linux are
chasing people brought up on Windows 9 series and it looks like both
camps will go whizzing past eachother in opposite directions.

- Richard

Succorso said:

Yeah, but that's how the world works isn't it...

Windows - Easy but [censored].
Linux - Difficult but good.

Well, easy but [censored] and completely impossible when it either doesn't
do what it's supposed to, or doesn't do what you want it to.

cf non-trivial but possible to do whatever.

Linux is not more difficult than windows if you had 6 years unix
experience before you ever laid hands on a MS machine - at least as
far as quite a lot of administration tasks are concerned.

regards, Ian Smith
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Ian Smith said:

Linux is not more difficult than windows if you had 6 years unix
experience before you ever laid hands on a MS machine - at least as

Nor even if you have exactly the same length of experience on both.
I came to both DOS and Unix in 1987 (having previously been primarily
a VMS man) and encountered windows several years before I first used
Linux in '95. From that starting point, it's abundantly clear that
Linux is superior in every way, *including* ease of use.

It's like comparing a Galaxy to something from ToysRus (on the premise,
probably unfounded, that the latter might sell toy bikes of the kind
that make ten miles seem a b***** long way).

--
Nick Kew

in message <[email hidden]>, Richard Corfield

(') said:

Then some people came along and said "Linux should be made like
Windows", and things got a little mixed up - but fortunately
differences are being resolved, and middle button paste is working
again in most apps (even though Eclipse needs CTRL-V still

Isn't that *fscking* annoying? The other thing that really winds me up
with Eclipse is its habit of deciding a file is read-only when you want
to edit it. Not only have I not discovered its rationale for deciding
that files should be read-only, the only way I've discovered of telling
it that they're not is by finding the file in the package explorer pane
(not easy when you've browsed deep into a Java bug), right clicking on
it, opening the properties dialogue, and clearing the read-only
property there.

I'm sort of in the process of changing over from XEmacs/JDE to Eclipse
having been an [X|Gnu]Emacs user for seventeen years. Eclipse really
does have a lot of useful, worth having features, but the above little
niggles really wind me up. That, and, of course, the fact that I keep
typing ^Y when I'm in Eclipse and ^V when I'm in XEmacs - or better
still, ^Z, which in Eclipse is 'undo' and in XEmacs is 'close window'.

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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 17:03:54 +0100, in <[email hidden]>,

Richard Corfield said:

It took a while in Windows to get used to the idea that I could press [...] backspace in the file dialog!

Well I never knew you could do that!

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Simon Brooke said:

I'm sort of in the process of changing over from XEmacs/JDE to Eclipse
having been an [X|Gnu]Emacs user for seventeen years. Eclipse really
does have a lot of useful, worth having features, but the above little
niggles really wind me up. That, and, of course, the fact that I keep
typing ^Y when I'm in Eclipse and ^V when I'm in XEmacs - or better
still, ^Z, which in Eclipse is 'undo' and in XEmacs is 'close window'.

It took a while in Windows to get used to the idea that I could press ^C in
a running program without killing it, and backspace in the file dialog!
Having got so used to that button deleting things, I used to press it with
trepidation.

- Richard

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Richard Bates said:

Well I never knew you could do that!

On older Windows, it was the only way of going up a directory, as there was
no up or back button. Before someone told me that, I had to start
navigating from the top level again.

- Richard

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Succorso said:

Windows - Easy but [censored].
Linux - Difficult but good.

FreeBSD - Harder but better
OS X - Easy and Good

:-)

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Jose Marques