Variable quality Shimano

MartinM said:

Just got a 7 spd HG70 cassette in the post today, all bolted together
no nasty rivets, in a box, with destructions as well. Curiouser and
curiouser, unless it is very old stock. Has anyone bought a bolt
together cassette recently?

Yes, two of them. Both 9-speed. I don't know what the deal is; I got one
riveted one by accident a while back - it was a lightweight one - but all
the others have been bolted. Odd.

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Martinm said:

Just got a 7 spd HG70 cassette in the post today, all bolted together no
nasty rivets, in a box, with destructions as well. Curiouser and
curiouser, unless it is very old stock. Has anyone bought a bolt
together cassette recently?

I got a 105 bolted together 9 speed one a few months ago, I also got a
LX one which was rivetted, not anymore though.

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Just got a 7 spd HG70 cassette in the post today, all bolted together
no nasty rivets, in a box, with destructions as well. Curiouser and
curiouser, unless it is very old stock. Has anyone bought a bolt
together cassette recently?

Got a 7 speed HG70 a few months ago (maybe 6) from EBC. Nicely bolted
thankyou. I think I've missed a thread here - should I expect new stock to
be rivetted?

tony R.

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Just got a 7 spd HG70 cassette in the post today, all bolted together
no nasty rivets, in a box, with destructions as well. Curiouser and
curiouser, unless it is very old stock. Has anyone bought a bolt
together cassette recently?

Got a 7 speed HG70 a few months ago (maybe 6) from EBC. Nicely bolted
thankyou. I think I've missed a thread here - should I expect new stock to
be rivetted?

Yes the thread started ealier in the year, it seems that some
suppliers are selling genuine upper range Shimano stuff, but not in
proper packaging and riveted rather than bolted, and it's not just
that Shimano have stopped doing the proper bolted stuff; so look out
for supposed mail order bargain kit (even though mine was the cheapest
on the web)
A similar thing happens with model train sets, the locomotives and
coaches in the sets are generally moulded rather than painted plastic
and plastic rather than steel wheels to keep costs down.

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Yes the thread started ealier in the year, it seems that some
suppliers are selling genuine upper range Shimano stuff, but not in
proper packaging and riveted rather than bolted, and it's not just
that Shimano have stopped doing the proper bolted stuff; so look out
for supposed mail order bargain kit (even though mine was the cheapest
on the web)
A similar thing happens with model train sets, the locomotives and
coaches in the sets are generally moulded rather than painted plastic
and plastic rather than steel wheels to keep costs down.

Wiggle claim all Shimano gear is genuine and not grey imports. Has
anyone recieved rivetted stuff from them?

Jon

"tony R" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<OCbHc.4147

I think I've missed a thread here
I'm afraid I'm still in stone age google/groups/cycling so when I add
to an old thread it pulls the old one up, haven't fathomed configuring
OE to a newsreader yet, I got as far as _enter the NNTP server
address_ which I don't know ;-~

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"tony R" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<OCbHc.4147

I think I've missed a thread here
I'm afraid I'm still in stone age google/groups/cycling so when I add
to an old thread it pulls the old one up, haven't fathomed configuring
OE to a newsreader yet, I got as far as _enter the NNTP server
address_ which I don't know ;-~

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Just got a 7 spd HG70 cassette in the post today, all bolted together
no nasty rivets, in a box, with destructions as well. Curiouser and
curiouser, unless it is very old stock. Has anyone bought a bolt
together cassette recently?

Got a 7 speed HG70 a few months ago (maybe 6) from EBC. Nicely bolted
thankyou. I think I've missed a thread here - should I expect new stock

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be rivetted?

Yes the thread started ealier in the year, it seems that some
suppliers are selling genuine upper range Shimano stuff, but not in
proper packaging and riveted rather than bolted, and it's not just
that Shimano have stopped doing the proper bolted stuff; so look out
for supposed mail order bargain kit (even though mine was the cheapest
on the web)

Right. So we're saying here that Shimano are making two versions of the same
model of stuff and then retailers are selling whichever version they've got
without differentiating at all between the two. Is that right?
If so it should be pretty easy for urc to build up a list of which retailers
are selling which stuff. I can say that (a few months ago at least)
Edinburgh Bike Co-op were selling the proper stuff. And I have, this very
day, ordered two cassettes from Settle Cycles - so, in a while (!), I'll be
able to tell you what they're selling.

tony R.

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> Just got a 7 spd HG70 cassette in the post today, all bolted together
> no nasty rivets, in a box, with destructions as well. Curiouser and
> curiouser, unless it is very old stock. Has anyone bought a bolt
> together cassette recently?

Got a 7 speed HG70 a few months ago (maybe 6) from EBC. Nicely bolted
thankyou. I think I've missed a thread here - should I expect new stock

to

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be rivetted?

Yes the thread started ealier in the year, it seems that some
suppliers are selling genuine upper range Shimano stuff, but not in
proper packaging and riveted rather than bolted, and it's not just
that Shimano have stopped doing the proper bolted stuff; so look out
for supposed mail order bargain kit (even though mine was the cheapest
on the web)

Right. So we're saying here that Shimano are making two versions of the same
model of stuff and then retailers are selling whichever version they've got
without differentiating at all between the two. Is that right?
If so it should be pretty easy for urc to build up a list of which retailers
are selling which stuff. I can say that (a few months ago at least)
Edinburgh Bike Co-op were selling the proper stuff. And I have, this very
day, ordered two cassettes from Settle Cycles - so, in a while (!), I'll be
able to tell you what they're selling.

I got my 7 speed bolted from Settle, the one that was riveted and in a
poxy plastic bag was a HG70 12-21 8 speed (Ribble I think)

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I got my 7 speed bolted from Settle, the one that was riveted and in a
poxy plastic bag was a HG70 12-21 8 speed (Ribble I think)

The HG50 12-21 8 speed I got from settle last year and from expedia a couple
of years back were all bolted. The bolts were the 2mm allen key ones, so may
have looked like rivets - is anybody making this mistake?

cheers,
clive

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I got my 7 speed bolted from Settle, the one that was riveted and in a
poxy plastic bag was a HG70 12-21 8 speed (Ribble I think)

The HG50 12-21 8 speed I got from settle last year and from expedia a couple
of years back were all bolted. The bolts were the 2mm allen key ones, so may
have looked like rivets - is anybody making this mistake?

No they were rivets, and on a HG70 to boot, bad karmagram on it's way to Preston!

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I think I've missed a thread here
I'm afraid I'm still in stone age google/groups/cycling so when I add
to an old thread it pulls the old one up, haven't fathomed configuring
OE to a newsreader yet, I got as far as _enter the NNTP server
address_ which I don't know ;-~

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"tony R" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<OCbHc.4147

I think I've missed a thread here
I'm afraid I'm still in stone age google/groups/cycling so when I
add to an old thread it pulls the old one up, haven't fathomed
configuring OE to a newsreader yet, I got as far as _enter the NNTP
server address_ which I don't know ;-~

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think I'll stick to reading off the web thanks

Sorry, I didn't make it clear I was posting the registration link for
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Also http://groups-beta.google.com/group/uk.rec.cycling is quite a nice
link, as it keeps track of what you've read, people's replies, and other
nice stuff.

Ambrose