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  1. Me and CrapBike are off to That London tomorrow. First time cycling
    in London. I have pored over my map and have my route worked out,
    mainly via the yellow 'quiet' roads. I am leaving plenty of time to
    get lost, as my knowledge of London's over ground geography is poor.

    CrapBike's Mysterious Knocking Noise has been improved, if not cured.
    Turns out the problem is with my hub, probably due to a combination of
    my mumble mumble stones with cheapo wheel. My bike maintenance tutor
    has adjusted it to as good as it is going to get, so it will keep me
    going for now. Thanks again to everyone here who offered loads of
    help with trying to sort it.

    Audrey

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  2. On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 22:55:06 +0100, audrey <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    Me and CrapBike are off to That London tomorrow. First time cycling
    in London.

    Good luck :-)

    Navigating is the bugger for me, there are always four times as many
    junctions as there should reasonably exist, and 1" on the map
    corresponds to about 4 yards on the ground.

    Guy
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  3. "audrey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Me and CrapBike are off to That London tomorrow. First time cycling
    in London. I have pored over my map and have my route worked out,
    mainly via the yellow 'quiet' roads. I am leaving plenty of time to
    get lost, as my knowledge of London's over ground geography is poor.

    CrapBike's Mysterious Knocking Noise has been improved, if not cured.
    Turns out the problem is with my hub, probably due to a combination of
    my mumble mumble stones with cheapo wheel. My bike maintenance tutor
    has adjusted it to as good as it is going to get, so it will keep me
    going for now. Thanks again to everyone here who offered loads of
    help with trying to sort it.

    Audrey

    If you don't feel comfortable at any point, pull over and regain composure.
    If you think you're lost ... keep going for a few minutes and probably pick
    up the route again.
    Enjoy, but be aware at all times. Leave the walkman off for a little while
    😉

  4. "Terry D" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    audrey said:

    Me and CrapBike are off to That London tomorrow. First time cycling
    in London. I have pored over my map and have my route worked out,
    mainly via the yellow 'quiet' roads. I am leaving plenty of time to
    get lost, as my knowledge of London's over ground geography is poor.

    CrapBike's Mysterious Knocking Noise has been improved, if not cured.
    Turns out the problem is with my hub, probably due to a combination of
    my mumble mumble stones with cheapo wheel. My bike maintenance tutor
    has adjusted it to as good as it is going to get, so it will keep me
    going for now. Thanks again to everyone here who offered loads of
    help with trying to sort it.

    Audrey

    http://homepage.ntlworld.com/terry.duckmanton

    I never knew Guildford was an hour ahead of the rest of us 😉

  5. "audrey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Me and CrapBike are off to That London tomorrow. First time cycling
    in London. I have pored over my map and have my route worked out,
    mainly via the yellow 'quiet' roads. I am leaving plenty of time to
    get lost, as my knowledge of London's over ground geography is poor.

    For all its faults, I think London is a great place for cyclists. There are
    quite a lot of us, and we often move faster than the motor traffic. I don't
    think we're regarded as such an oddity or with such contempt by other road
    users as we are in some other places. I like cycling here, at least as
    cycling in cities goes. In fact, I've always felt safer in inner city
    traffic than on country lanes!

    Rich

  6. audrey said:

    Me and CrapBike are off to That London tomorrow. First time cycling
    in London. I have pored over my map and have my route worked out,
    mainly via the yellow 'quiet' roads. I am leaving plenty of time to
    get lost, as my knowledge of London's over ground geography is poor.

    CrapBike's Mysterious Knocking Noise has been improved, if not cured.
    Turns out the problem is with my hub, probably due to a combination of
    my mumble mumble stones with cheapo wheel. My bike maintenance tutor
    has adjusted it to as good as it is going to get, so it will keep me
    going for now. Thanks again to everyone here who offered loads of
    help with trying to sort it.

    Audrey

    <Native Dialect>
    Ee lass, tha' mun look out fo' thysen dahn theer.
    </Native Dialect>

    All the best with your foray into The Big Smoke. Keep your eye on the
    cheapo wheel and watch out for the traffic too.

    --
    Terry Duckmanton.

    http://homepage.ntlworld.com/terry.duckmanton
    A website mostly dedicated to cycling

  7. Richard Goodman said:

    always felt safer in inner city traffic than on country lanes!

    (!)

    I live in London. It's dangerous enough as a pedestrian trying to cross the
    road due to stupid and lazy drivers (e.g. don't indicate when turning) but
    in a bike you'd need nerves of some sort of strong metal to ride regularly
    there. Only last month, I saw some guy in a road bike get hit when a moronic
    driver didn't look as he was getting out of his car. The guy didn't seem to
    badly hurt but his bike was completely trashed.

  8. audrey:

    Quoted message said:

    Me and CrapBike are off to That London tomorrow.

    I hope the weather is better for you than it was for me today - I got
    Seriously Soaked today just off Great Portland Street by a van driving
    through a small lake while I was waiting to come out of a side turning.
    Fortunately, I was fully waterproofed - but it was still No Fun!

    Good luck!

    d.

  9. Burning_Ranger said:
    Richard Goodman said:

    always felt safer in inner city traffic than on country lanes!

    (!)

    I live in London. It's dangerous enough as a pedestrian trying to cross the
    road due to stupid and lazy drivers (e.g. don't indicate when turning) but
    in a bike you'd need nerves of some sort of strong metal to ride regularly
    there. Only last month, I saw some guy in a road bike get hit when a moronic
    driver didn't look as he was getting out of his car. The guy didn't seem to
    badly hurt but his bike was completely trashed.

    If you are having trouble as a pedestrian I can see you would have
    trouble as a cyclist too. Personally I have no problems cycling in
    London and unlike many cities there are so many cyclists around,
    motorists know to expect them. Since congestion charging there are
    plenty of quiet back streets you can follow if you want although they
    are better if you know where you are going or you end up consulting the
    map at every junction.

    Tony

  10. Just zis Guy said:

    Navigating is the bugger for me, there are always four times as many
    junctions as there should reasonably exist, and 1" on the map
    corresponds to about 4 yards on the ground.

    It's easy when you know how, as long as you don't have to venture far south
    of the river. There's big white spaces on the map beyond the Elephant, with
    "here be dragons" writ thereupon...

    --

    Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/
    ===========================================================
    Editor - British Human Power Club Newsletter
    http://www.bhpc.org.uk/
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  11. "Burning_Ranger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Richard Goodman said:

    always felt safer in inner city traffic than on country lanes!

    (!)

    I live in London. It's dangerous enough as a pedestrian trying to cross


    the

    Quoted message said:

    road due to stupid and lazy drivers (e.g. don't indicate when turning) but
    in a bike you'd need nerves of some sort of strong metal to ride regularly
    there. Only last month, I saw some guy in a road bike get hit when a


    moronic

    Quoted message said:

    driver didn't look as he was getting out of his car. The guy didn't seem


    to

    Quoted message said:

    badly hurt but his bike was completely trashed.

    Yes, a good warning .. be aware of pedestrians, as they are more likely to
    cross the road without checking (just using their hearing and a quick glance
    after they step onto the road). I have no problems cycling around London,
    but roads such as the A4 aren't a lot of fun.

  12. Burning_Ranger said:
    Richard Goodman said:

    always felt safer in inner city traffic than on country lanes!

    (!)

    I live in London. It's dangerous enough as a pedestrian trying to cross the
    road due to stupid and lazy drivers (e.g. don't indicate when turning) but
    in a bike you'd need nerves of some sort of strong metal to ride regularly
    there. Only last month, I saw some guy in a road bike get hit when a moronic
    driver didn't look as he was getting out of his car. The guy didn't seem to
    badly hurt but his bike was completely trashed.


    I drive, cycle and walk in London. I don't have any problems crossing
    roads on foot - there are plenty of safe Pelican and Toucan crossings.

    I find cycling in London easy and fast as you are usually going around
    the speed of the surrounding traffic. While you do need to be alert to
    the constantly changing situation (which takes a bit of practice) and
    need to stay alert I, and I guess a lot of other London cyclists, find
    that part of the fun.

    BTW: It often takes two to make an accident. Drivers will often not
    notice cyclists, especially if they are small, fast moving and changing
    lanes. Most surviving urban cyclists are well aware of the danger of
    opening car doors and if you are in the primary riding position (another
    plug for Cyclecraft!) and alert you should live to tell the tale.

    Cheers

    Jules

  13. "Dave Larrington" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    It's easy when you know how, as long as you don't have to venture far


    south

    Quoted message said:

    of the river. There's big white spaces on the map beyond the Elephant,


    with

    Quoted message said:

    "here be dragons" writ thereupon...

    Wot -- in Surrey?

  14. elyob said:


    I never knew Guildford was an hour ahead of the rest of us 😉

    It isn't. I seem to have invented time travel.
    Oo wee oooo, diggedy bum, diggedy bum, diggedy bum, diggedy bum.

    Terry Time-Lord Duckmanton

  15. Quoted message said:

    Me and CrapBike are off to That London tomorrow. First time cycling
    in London.

    Best of luck. I hope it turns out to be an enjoyable experience.

    Cheers, helen s

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    --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off--

  16. Quoted message said:

    There's big white spaces on the map beyond the Elephant,
    with

    Quoted message said:

    "here be dragons" writ thereupon...

    Wot -- in Surrey?

    Those would be blue-rinsed Tory matrons then ;-)

    Cheers, helen s

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    to get correct one remove fame & fortune
    h*$el*$$e*nd**$o$ts**i*$*$m*m$o*n*s@$*a$o*l.c**$om$

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  17. "Burning_Ranger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Richard Goodman said:

    always felt safer in inner city traffic than on country lanes!

    (!)

    I live in London. It's dangerous enough as a pedestrian trying to cross


    the

    Quoted message said:

    road due to stupid and lazy drivers (e.g. don't indicate when turning) but
    in a bike you'd need nerves of some sort of strong metal to ride regularly
    there. Only last month, I saw some guy in a road bike get hit when a


    moronic

    Quoted message said:

    driver didn't look as he was getting out of his car. The guy didn't seem


    to

    Quoted message said:

    badly hurt but his bike was completely trashed.

    So you would take one incident and use that to draw general conclusions on a
    matter in which you clearly, from another posting, have little experience.
    Yes, accidents do happen, but remember:

    - in inner London's heavy traffic speeds, are generally low
    - the relative difference in speed between bikes and cars is also generally
    small
    - traffic is often forced to travel at a speed which means it can stop
    within the distance it can see to be clear ahead.
    - the above factors mean it is generally not so difficult to negotiate your
    way with other traffic, and in the event of any accident, there is at least
    some chance it will be survivable.
    - good roadcraft minimises the risk of accident. 'Accidents' are often not
    simply the result of random chance, and to a large extent - possibly larger
    than on the open road - are within your power to prevent.

    Country lanes, on the other hand, may seem to be quiet - until you encounter
    motor traffic travelling at or above the national speed limit along roads
    which are barely wide enough for two cars to pass in opposite directions,
    around bends with sight lines obscured by hedges, traffic pulling at speed
    out of intersections with similarly restricted sight lines having only
    checked for motor-vehicle sized conflicting traffic etc.

    As others have said, buy the Highway Code and Cyclecraft. The only thing to
    be aware of is that in London the Highway Code is modified slightly: for
    motor traffic, green means 'go', orange means 'go', red means 'go as long as
    the car in front is still going'; for cyclists green means 'go with
    caution', orange means 'go with caution', and red means 'treat as a give-way
    sign and go when the way is clear'; for peds green, orange and red all mean
    'cross - so long as the motor traffic is stuck in a queue, and don't bother
    looking out for cyclists who aren't stuck because they have to look out for
    you' 😉.

    Rich

  18. Richard Goodman said:

    So you would take one incident and use that to draw general
    conclusions on a matter in which you clearly, from another posting,
    have little experience. Yes, accidents do happen, but remember:

    I know there are stupid pedestrians, plenty of them, and plenty of stupid
    drivers too. I wasn't drawing conclusions from a biker point of view, but
    from a pedestrian one. And from my (albeit limited) experience the
    driver(s) in the first case was in the wrong. Drivers are meant to indicate
    when turning on smaller roads is that not correct? (I'm not a driver so
    don't know much about it). No matter how much a person looks around and is
    careful, if a driver decides to make a sudden fast left turn without
    indication at the last second, there seems to be little a pedestrian can do
    that is trying to cross in a valid crossing zone. It just seems to me quite
    a few drivers in big towns are always angry about something or overly
    aggressive when driving. I'm just overly cautious because I intend tocycle
    to work, but seeing things like this can be quite off-putting, regardless of
    who's fault it was.

    Quoted message said:

    As others have said, buy the Highway Code and Cyclecraft.

    I've read the Highway Code and intend to get Cyclecraft. I'm sure I'll learn
    some useful things.

  19. Burning_Ranger said:

    I know there are stupid pedestrians, plenty of them, and plenty of stupid
    drivers too. I wasn't drawing conclusions from a biker point of view, but
    from a pedestrian one. And from my (albeit limited) experience the
    driver(s) in the first case was in the wrong. Drivers are meant to indicate
    when turning on smaller roads is that not correct? (I'm not a driver so
    don't know much about it). No matter how much a person looks around and is
    careful, if a driver decides to make a sudden fast left turn without
    indication at the last second, there seems to be little a pedestrian can do
    that is trying to cross in a valid crossing zone. It just seems to me quite
    a few drivers in big towns are always angry about something or overly
    aggressive when driving. I'm just overly cautious because I intend tocycle
    to work, but seeing things like this can be quite off-putting, regardless of
    who's fault it was.

    Not to mention all those stupid cyclists. <ducks and runs>

    Jules

  20. "Burning_Ranger" <[email hidden]>typed

    Quoted message said:
    Richard Goodman said:

    always felt safer in inner city traffic than on country lanes!

    Quoted message said:

    (!)

    Quoted message said:

    I live in London. It's dangerous enough as a pedestrian trying to cross the
    road due to stupid and lazy drivers (e.g. don't indicate when turning) but
    in a bike you'd need nerves of some sort of strong metal to ride regularly
    there. Only last month, I saw some guy in a road bike get hit when a moronic
    driver didn't look as he was getting out of his car. The guy didn't seem to
    badly hurt but his bike was completely trashed.

    I think Inner London, where there are lots of cyclists, is *much* safer
    than this suburban haven. There are few cyclists about and even fewer
    who don't ride on the pavements. Partner frequently gets abused for
    riding on the road...

    --
    Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden]
    Edgware.

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