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  1. OK - I have done a lot of research this week as to buying a hybrid for
    general/leisure use - thank you very much to all who replied to my initial
    post on the subject and am sorry to post again on the same subject.

    I have narrowed the search down to 2 definites but cannot decide between
    them:

    Dawes Discovery 501 - £399

    http://www.dawes-cycles.co.uk/discovery501.asp

    or

    Ridgeback Velocity - £299

    http://www.ridgebackbikes.co.uk/bikes/2004/bike.asp?seriesid=21&index=7

    A the moment I am swayed towards the Dawes on the basis that my LBS stock
    them and that the spec of the components is slightly better, but the
    Ridgeback looks nicer. Can anyone afford me an opinion as to whether the
    501 is worth an extra £100. Other observations very welcome, particularly
    if anyone feels there's a bike in the <£400 bracket I have missed.

    I'd be particularly interested in comments from riders of each.

    For ease the links to each are posted above too.

    Thanks again

    S

  2. "Saint" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    OK - I have done a lot of research this week as to buying a hybrid for
    general/leisure use - thank you very much to all who replied to my initial
    post on the subject and am sorry to post again on the same subject.

    I have narrowed the search down to 2 definites but cannot decide between
    them:

    Dawes Discovery 501 - £399

    http://www.dawes-cycles.co.uk/discovery501.asp

    or

    Ridgeback Velocity - £299

    http://www.ridgebackbikes.co.uk/bikes/2004/bike.asp?seriesid=21&index=7

    A the moment I am swayed towards the Dawes on the basis that my LBS stock
    them and that the spec of the components is slightly better, but the
    Ridgeback looks nicer. Can anyone afford me an opinion as to whether the
    501 is worth an extra £100. Other observations very welcome, particularly
    if anyone feels there's a bike in the <£400 bracket I have missed.

    I'd be particularly interested in comments from riders of each.

    For ease the links to each are posted above too.

    I think the Ridgeback's likely to be heavier than the Dawes. My friend has
    the Nova, which is the same frame with less cogs and riser bars AFAIK, and
    it's a tad heavier than my Giant MTB, despite my MTB having front
    suspension. I'd be very surprised if the Dawes isn't a fair bit lighter.

  3. "Doki" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Saint" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    OK - I have done a lot of research this week as to buying a hybrid for
    general/leisure use - thank you very much to all who replied to my


    initial

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    post on the subject and am sorry to post again on the same subject.

    I have narrowed the search down to 2 definites but cannot decide between
    them:

    Dawes Discovery 501 - £399

    http://www.dawes-cycles.co.uk/discovery501.asp

    or

    Ridgeback Velocity - £299

    http://www.ridgebackbikes.co.uk/bikes/2004/bike.asp?seriesid=21&index=7

    A the moment I am swayed towards the Dawes on the basis that my LBS


    stock

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    them and that the spec of the components is slightly better, but the
    Ridgeback looks nicer. Can anyone afford me an opinion as to whether


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    501 is worth an extra £100. Other observations very welcome,


    particularly

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    if anyone feels there's a bike in the <£400 bracket I have missed.

    I'd be particularly interested in comments from riders of each.

    For ease the links to each are posted above too.

    I think the Ridgeback's likely to be heavier than the Dawes. My friend has
    the Nova, which is the same frame with less cogs and riser bars AFAIK, and
    it's a tad heavier than my Giant MTB, despite my MTB having front
    suspension. I'd be very surprised if the Dawes isn't a fair bit lighter.


    Thanks for that Doki - it was an interesting point as I actually suspected
    the opposite, hence the reason I posted the topic as I have no way of
    comparing the bikes side by side. I hate pestering people but want to make
    the right choice as best I can and the information/opinions from peoplr more
    knowledgable than I is always something I pay attention to.

    Cheers

    S

  4. Doki said:


    "Saint" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Doki" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Saint" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > OK - I have done a lot of research this week as to buying a hybrid for
    > general/leisure use - thank you very much to all who replied to my


    initial

    Quoted message said:

    > post on the subject and am sorry to post again on the same subject.
    >
    > I have narrowed the search down to 2 definites but cannot decide


    between

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > them:
    >
    > Dawes Discovery 501 - £399
    >
    > http://www.dawes-cycles.co.uk/discovery501.asp
    >
    > or
    >
    > Ridgeback Velocity - £299
    >
    >


    http://www.ridgebackbikes.co.uk/bikes/2004/bike.asp?seriesid=21&index=7
    <snippage>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I think the Ridgeback's likely to be heavier than the Dawes. My friend


    has

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the Nova, which is the same frame with less cogs and riser bars AFAIK,


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    it's a tad heavier than my Giant MTB, despite my MTB having front
    suspension. I'd be very surprised if the Dawes isn't a fair bit lighter.


    Thanks for that Doki - it was an interesting point as I actually suspected
    the opposite, hence the reason I posted the topic as I have no way of
    comparing the bikes side by side. I hate pestering people but want to


    make

    Quoted message said:

    the right choice as best I can and the information/opinions from peoplr


    more

    Quoted message said:

    knowledgable than I is always something I pay attention to.

    I wouldn't take what I've said as gospel - the fork on the Velocity will be
    a bit lighter than the Nova, and the Dawes could always be made of
    scaffolding poles. I've not ridden / looked at either bike, so I could be
    completely off. Hopefully someone who has will turn up and tell us what's
    what 😄.

    I'm curious about the 28-spoked wheels on the Dawes - is this enough for
    touring?

    AC

  5. "Saint" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Doki" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Saint" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    OK - I have done a lot of research this week as to buying a hybrid for
    general/leisure use - thank you very much to all who replied to my


    initial

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    post on the subject and am sorry to post again on the same subject.

    I have narrowed the search down to 2 definites but cannot decide


    between

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    them:

    Dawes Discovery 501 - £399

    http://www.dawes-cycles.co.uk/discovery501.asp

    or

    Ridgeback Velocity - £299


    http://www.ridgebackbikes.co.uk/bikes/2004/bike.asp?seriesid=21&index=7
    <snippage>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I think the Ridgeback's likely to be heavier than the Dawes. My friend


    has

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the Nova, which is the same frame with less cogs and riser bars AFAIK,


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    it's a tad heavier than my Giant MTB, despite my MTB having front
    suspension. I'd be very surprised if the Dawes isn't a fair bit lighter.


    Thanks for that Doki - it was an interesting point as I actually suspected
    the opposite, hence the reason I posted the topic as I have no way of
    comparing the bikes side by side. I hate pestering people but want to


    make

    Quoted message said:

    the right choice as best I can and the information/opinions from peoplr


    more

    Quoted message said:

    knowledgable than I is always something I pay attention to.

    I wouldn't take what I've said as gospel - the fork on the Velocity will be
    a bit lighter than the Nova, and the Dawes could always be made of
    scaffolding poles. I've not ridden / looked at either bike, so I could be
    completely off. Hopefully someone who has will turn up and tell us what's
    what 😄.

  6. "anonymous coward" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Doki said:

    I wouldn't take what I've said as gospel - the fork on the Velocity will


    be

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    a bit lighter than the Nova, and the Dawes could always be made of
    scaffolding poles. I've not ridden / looked at either bike, so I could


    be

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    completely off. Hopefully someone who has will turn up and tell us


    what's

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    what 😄.

    I'm curious about the 28-spoked wheels on the Dawes - is this enough for
    touring?

    Those things do make me wonder, but I've seen pictures of MTBs with wheels
    with far too few spokes before. It *is* a hybird and not a tourer though.

  7. x-no-archive: yes

    Doki said:

    "Saint" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Doki" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Saint" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    >OK - I have done a lot of research this week as to buying a hybrid for
    >general/leisure use - thank you very much to all who replied to my

    initial

    Quoted message said:

    >post on the subject and am sorry to post again on the same subject.
    >
    >I have narrowed the search down to 2 definites but cannot decide

    between

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >them:
    >
    >Dawes Discovery 501 - £399
    >
    >http://www.dawes-cycles.co.uk/discovery501.asp
    >
    >or
    >
    >Ridgeback Velocity - £299
    >
    >

    http://www.ridgebackbikes.co.uk/bikes/2004/bike.asp?seriesid=21&index=7
    <snippage>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I think the Ridgeback's likely to be heavier than the Dawes. My friend

    has

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the Nova, which is the same frame with less cogs and riser bars AFAIK,

    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    it's a tad heavier than my Giant MTB, despite my MTB having front
    suspension. I'd be very surprised if the Dawes isn't a fair bit lighter.

    Thanks for that Doki - it was an interesting point as I actually suspected
    the opposite, hence the reason I posted the topic as I have no way of
    comparing the bikes side by side. I hate pestering people but want to

    make

    Quoted message said:

    the right choice as best I can and the information/opinions from peoplr

    more

    Quoted message said:

    knowledgable than I is always something I pay attention to.

    I wouldn't take what I've said as gospel - the fork on the Velocity will be
    a bit lighter than the Nova, and the Dawes could always be made of
    scaffolding poles. I've not ridden / looked at either bike, so I could be
    completely off. Hopefully someone who has will turn up and tell us what's
    what 😄.

    The dawes is 27 Pound in mass I think
    (http://www.dawes-cycles.co.uk/weights.asp).

    I Have owned a Ridegeback Hybrid and a Dawes road bike and have been
    happier with the dawes. But as their are very different types of bikes
    it may not be fair. I felt the Dawes more care was taken with finish
    etc. On both Bikes the wheels needed rebuilding within in a couple of years.

    Peter

    Quoted message said:
  8. x-no-archive: yes

    Doki said:

    "Peter Simons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:w7JCc.3974$pE6.293@newsfe4-gui...

    Quoted message said:

    x-no-archive: yes

    Quoted message said:

    I wouldn't take what I've said as gospel - the fork on the Velocity will

    be

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    a bit lighter than the Nova, and the Dawes could always be made of
    scaffolding poles. I've not ridden / looked at either bike, so I could

    be

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    completely off. Hopefully someone who has will turn up and tell us

    what's

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    what 😄.

    The dawes is 27 Pound in mass I think
    (http://www.dawes-cycles.co.uk/weights.asp).

    I Have owned a Ridegeback Hybrid and a Dawes road bike and have been
    happier with the dawes. But as their are very different types of bikes
    it may not be fair. I felt the Dawes more care was taken with finish
    etc. On both Bikes the wheels needed rebuilding within in a couple of

    years.

    Seems a lot. ISTR reading that a decent hardtail MTB weighs in at 28lbs or
    so. That might a > £1000 hardtail though.

    Found a wight for the Ridge back the Dawes is very slightly lighter by
    1 lb
    http://www.edinburgh-bicycle.co.uk/catalogue/detail.cfm?ID=18558

    Peter

  9. "Peter Simons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:w7JCc.3974$pE6.293@newsfe4-gui...

    Quoted message said:

    x-no-archive: yes

    Quoted message said:

    I wouldn't take what I've said as gospel - the fork on the Velocity will


    be

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    a bit lighter than the Nova, and the Dawes could always be made of
    scaffolding poles. I've not ridden / looked at either bike, so I could


    be

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    completely off. Hopefully someone who has will turn up and tell us


    what's

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    what 😄.

    The dawes is 27 Pound in mass I think
    (http://www.dawes-cycles.co.uk/weights.asp).

    I Have owned a Ridegeback Hybrid and a Dawes road bike and have been
    happier with the dawes. But as their are very different types of bikes
    it may not be fair. I felt the Dawes more care was taken with finish
    etc. On both Bikes the wheels needed rebuilding within in a couple of


    years.

    Seems a lot. ISTR reading that a decent hardtail MTB weighs in at 28lbs or
    so. That might a > £1000 hardtail though.

  10. x-no-archive: yes

    Doki said:


    Seems a lot. ISTR reading that a decent hardtail MTB weighs in at 28lbs or
    so. That might a > £1000 hardtail though.


    Found a weight for thw ridge bacl and it is 1 LB heaver than the dawes.

    http://www.edinburgh-bicycle.co.uk/catalogue/detail.cfm?ID=18558

    But still lighter than a Marin in same price bracket
    http://www.edinburgh-bicycle.co.uk/catalogue/detail.cfm?ID=18334

    and about the same as
    http://www.edinburgh-bicycle.co.uk/catalogue/detail.cfm?ID=19371

    Peter

  11. Saint said:

    OK - I have done a lot of research this week as to buying a hybrid
    for general/leisure use - thank you very much to all who replied to
    my initial post on the subject and am sorry to post again on the
    same subject.
    I have narrowed the search down to 2 definites but cannot decide
    between them:
    Dawes Discovery 501 - £399
    http://www.dawes-cycles.co.uk/discovery501.asphttp://www.dawes-
    cycles.co.uk/discovery501.asp
    or
    Ridgeback Velocity - £299
    http://www.ridgebackbikes.co.uk/bikes/2004/bike.asp?seriesi-
    http://www.ridgebackbikes.co.uk/bikes/2004/bike.asp?seriesi-
    d=21&index=7
    A the moment I am swayed towards the Dawes on the basis that my LBS
    stock them and that the spec of the components is slightly better, but
    the Ridgeback looks nicer. Can anyone afford me an opinion as to
    whether the 501 is worth an extra £100. Other observations very
    welcome, particularly if anyone feels there's a bike in the <£400
    bracket I have missed.
    I'd be particularly interested in comments from riders of each.
    For ease the links to each are posted above too.
    Thanks again
    S

    Right I know nothing about bikes really (I'm a horse rider) but have
    recently been in a similar position to you (but with a smaller budget -
    see horse comment!!). I was torn between a Dawes Discovery 301 and a
    Raleigh ?? (it was blue!). Having seen them both in the shop there was
    no competition, I bought the Dawes. It arrived on Monday, it's much
    lighter than my last one and it got me up a hill in fine style (never
    been known before). In short I really like the Dawes. I too did loads of
    research and then went into the shop and chose then one with the colour
    I liked best (how girly is that!). Anyway hopefully my new beastie will
    provide some fun trips out with OH and friends and help develop legs and
    general fitness for horse riding.

    Helena

    --

  12. "Saint" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:


    Dawes Discovery 501 - £399

    http://www.dawes-cycles.co.uk/discovery501.asp

    or

    Ridgeback Velocity - £299

    http://www.ridgebackbikes.co.uk/bikes/2004/bike.asp?seriesid=21&index=7

    I'd be particularly interested in comments from riders of each.

    Thanks again

    S

    I have a Ridgeback Velocity, and am very happy with it. When I was
    looking, I tried to decide between the Dawes 401 and the Ridgeback,
    but couldn't find a LBS which had any Dawes in stock, so ended up with
    the Ridgeback.

    I am not a particularly knowledgeable cyclist, but have found no
    problems so far with the Ridgeback.

    HTH,

    Patrick

  13. in message <[email hidden]>, Saint

    (') said:


    "Doki" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    I think the Ridgeback's likely to be heavier than the Dawes. My
    friend has the Nova, which is the same frame with less cogs and riser
    bars AFAIK, and it's a tad heavier than my Giant MTB, despite my MTB
    having front suspension. I'd be very surprised if the Dawes isn't a
    fair bit lighter.


    Thanks for that Doki - it was an interesting point as I actually
    suspected the opposite, hence the reason I posted the topic as I have
    no way of
    comparing the bikes side by side. I hate pestering people but want to
    make the right choice as best I can and the information/opinions from
    peoplr more knowledgable than I is always something I pay attention
    to.

    Weight *really* makes a difference on bikes, if there are any hills in
    your vicinity. It might be worth getting one of those little spring
    balances anglers use (but it's got to be good for up to 35lbs/15Kg),
    and taking that with you when you go shopping.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    I'm fed up with Life 1.0. I never liked it much and now it's getting
    me down. I think I'll upgrade to MSLife 97 -- you know, the one that
    comes in a flash new box and within weeks you're crawling with bugs.

  14. in message <[email hidden]>, Doki

    (') said:

    "Peter Simons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:w7JCc.3974$pE6.293@newsfe4-gui...

    Quoted message said:

    x-no-archive: yes
    The dawes is 27 Pound in mass I think
    (http://www.dawes-cycles.co.uk/weights.asp).

    I Have owned a Ridegeback Hybrid and a Dawes road bike and have been
    happier with the dawes. But as their are very different types of
    bikes it may not be fair. I felt the Dawes more care was taken with
    finish etc. On both Bikes the wheels needed rebuilding within in a
    couple of


    years.

    Seems a lot. ISTR reading that a decent hardtail MTB weighs in at
    28lbs or so. That might a > £1000 hardtail though.

    A _decent_ hardtail MTB ought to be under 24lbs. The really good ones
    are around 20lbs. A very good full suspension bike comes in at 23lbs
    (Cannondale Scalpel, and that's with disks - but you could easily build
    a Santa Cruz Superlight down to that weight).

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; Diplomacy, American: see Intelligence, Military

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