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  1. Though I'd struggled to a 47miler previously, I'd then kicked myself for
    not making it a 50...

    So, yesterday, we sauntered out a bit earlier (about 1pm), with the
    intention of meeting the local CTC group(s) at the planned tea-stop.
    Earlier, because it meant I could ride slower (apparently their ride set
    a blistering pace, so good job we didn't go with them!) - although I
    could keep up with them initially, after a while I'd run out of legs and
    couldn't manage hills or recover afterwards... we kept to about
    10-12mph for the most part, though obviously hills slowed things down,
    and the other side of hills speeded things up ;-) It felt very slow
    compared to what I'd done with the CTC (more like 14-15mph on relatively
    flat bits) but the idea was to make the distance at a speed I could
    manage and not be exhausted by! I was hoping to get home not feeling
    like that was it and no more cycling was possible, too.

    Had a great day out cycling around cambridgeshire - though somewhat
    frustrating to be braking whilst freewheeling up a hill cos the better
    half doesn't get as fast as I do down the previous hill... I'm very
    loathe to waste my momentum by braking when it can carry me part way up
    the next hill ;-)

    As was mentioned here, some of the problems do indeed seem to be
    fuel-related. I stuck OJ in the water (probably about 1/3 OJ to 2/3
    water) which was a good ratio, and had fairly good legs for a while.

    Made it up the hill from Six Mile Bottom toward the turnoff for
    Dullingham in one go (previously I've stopped on it - one through no
    more legs, once for the excuse of a camera shot of 'look how far/long
    this hill is I've cycled up'😉, which was a nice acheivement. Wasn't
    sure I'd make it, but it's another acheivement notched up!

    Then it was lunch at a pub in Dullingham at about 2.30/3pm, very nice in
    the sun - and then back off at about 3.30 to head round a wiggly route
    to Thurlow, where the CTC tea stop was. Few more hills, and I had
    NOTHING in the legs for the first half an hour or so - which was quite
    concerning!! Then the food seemed to kick in, and I was champing at the
    bit again (albeit still on a slower pace than the previous rides with
    the CTC). Hills were definitely harder but still manageable, I was very
    concious that I didn't want to destroy the legs I had by exhausting them
    on hills so tried to balance wanting to get to the top with being aware
    that for the good of the legs (and getting the 50 miles in) I might have
    to be defeated and stop halfway up one or two of them.. but it didn't
    happen. I also found I was able to talk while cycling along, something
    which previously I'd found hard/impossible - though talking while going
    up hills still doesn't happen ;-)

    With the tea stop coming up earlier than 5, and not quite enough miles
    done yet, we took a detour and looped around to slot in a few more
    miles, and arrived dead on 5pm at The [censored] in Thurlow. Very nice spread
    laid on by them, consisting of sandwiches and much cake - and I was
    pretty hungry again by then! Was good to meet up with the CTCers, and
    also good to find out we'd made the right decision to cycle on our own
    instead of with them - I just wouldn't have lasted the distance at their
    pace, even if I could have kept up for a while!!

    Back on the bike and again the dead legs set in - nothing in them for
    another half an hour or so, which was very frustrating. The bum was
    starting to make itself known by now too, as were the hands - but they
    quickly faded again once the legs were battling up hills.

    Interestingly, I discovered that in the post-stop no-energy-in-legs
    phase, my heart rate was nowhere near as high as it would be previously
    when the lactic acid started in the legs - still not quite sure what
    that means, but it was interesting to compare it to when the legs had a
    bit more oomph in them and the lactic acid wouldn't start till a higher
    heart rate was reached.

    We took a fairly direct route back to cambridge, since I was uncertain
    just how much was left in my legs, but once at Six Mile Bottom again we
    continued out to Quy, and then along the river to see the new cycle
    bridge over the A14.

    It's quite steep, but I'd say not much steeper than the one over the
    railway lines by the station - though it looks it, and is certainly
    longer. Slightly odd bollard placement on the south side - cyclists
    avoid each other on the paths for the most part, why put a bollard in to
    reduce the space, and on a slight kink in the path, too...

    Then it was back to the outskirts of cambridge and home - just over 50
    miles in all - and what's more, I think given another top-up of fuel, I
    could have managed another 10 miles or so - I was tired, but not
    exhausted to the point of losing co-ordination/concentration, as has
    happened before!!!

    So, eating more and regularly during the ride does seem to be the key to
    keeping my legs working. Just need a few more of these and to master
    the hills a bit more, and I'll be set for my big challenge - the London
    to Cambridge (I seem to have said yes to doing this, erk!)

    Have to say thanks to those who gave suggestions after my last ride post
    here, all much appreciated and very useful! The idea of doing 100 miles
    is now starting to germinate somewhere in the dark recesses of my mad
    mind...

    --

    Velvet

  2. Velvet <[email hidden]> wrote:

    : Interestingly, I discovered that in the post-stop no-energy-in-legs

    Everyone suffers this. The body decides "ah, exercise stopped" after about
    10 mins IME so you need to warm up again.

    Arthur

    --
    Arthur Clune http://www.clune.org
    "Technolibertarians make a philosophy out of a personality defect"
    - Paulina Borsook

  3. Velvet said:

    Had a great day out cycling around cambridgeshire - though somewhat
    frustrating to be braking whilst freewheeling up a hill cos the better
    half doesn't get as fast as I do down the previous hill...

    The thing to do is use all your momentum and then wait for him at the
    top. Only good reason to brake going up a hill is for safety.

    Quoted message said:

    As was mentioned here, some of the problems do indeed seem to be
    fuel-related. I stuck OJ in the water (probably about 1/3 OJ to 2/3
    water) which was a good ratio, and had fairly good legs for a while.

    A little salt can help too: you lose a fair bit during the day and that
    contributes to muscle cramping. Though it makes it taste a bit odd
    (okay, pretty bogging!) at first as you start using up salt it actually
    tastes better!
    The better rehydration drinks taste slightly salty for this very reason.

    Quoted message said:

    So, eating more and regularly during the ride does seem to be the key to
    keeping my legs working.

    And of course eating and drinking more during the ride gets a lot easier
    if you're completely happy with one handed riding: you don't lose
    momentum every time you need a break, though having said that breaks can
    be good too.

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  4. "Velvet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Though I'd struggled to a 47miler previously, I'd then kicked myself for
    not making it a 50...

    <snip great ride report - apologies ;-)

    Quoted message said:


    Have to say thanks to those who gave suggestions after my last ride post
    here, all much appreciated and very useful! The idea of doing 100 miles
    is now starting to germinate somewhere in the dark recesses of my mad
    mind...

    --

    Velvet

    Congrats on another milestone reached....
    I find unsalted peanuts combined with mixed dried fruit to be the ideal
    fuel, along with water (or juiced water for variety)...can't beat it.
    The mixed dried fruit gives immediate energy and peanuts last for the next
    couple of hours....remember burning peanuts in the lab at school??..they'd
    burn for hours!! - that's energy that is!..just make sure it's chewed well
    before swallowing and a couple of handfuls of each should last for a good
    2-3 hours.
    I use 'em on long road rides and mountain biking epic rides..

    Also remember heavy bulky foods will cause diversion of blood to stomach for
    digestion purposes...not what you want too much of when you're trying to use
    legs (biggest muscles you've got) for cycling

    Go for it, 100 miles will be no problem!!...(easy for me to say, eh? ;-)

    All the best,

    Dave.

  5. On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 08:50:48 GMT, Velvet <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Had a great day out cycling around cambridgeshire - though somewhat
    frustrating to be braking whilst freewheeling up a hill cos the better
    half doesn't get as fast as I do down the previous hill... I'm very
    loathe to waste my momentum by braking when it can carry me part way up
    the next hill ;-)

    I thought that a *Cambridgeshire Hill* was an oxymoron !!!

  6. Arthur Clune said:
    Velvet said:

    Interestingly, I discovered that in the post-stop no-energy-in-legs

    Everyone suffers this. The body decides "ah, exercise stopped" after
    about 10 mins IME so you need to warm up again.

    Arthur

    I thumbed through a book in Waterstones last week entitled 'How to be a long
    distance cyclist' or something, it said don't stop for more than 10 minutes
    or else you'll cool down too much - I rarely do anyway.

  7. Gonzalez said:

    On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 08:50:48 GMT, Velvet <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Had a great day out cycling around cambridgeshire - though somewhat
    frustrating to be braking whilst freewheeling up a hill cos the better
    half doesn't get as fast as I do down the previous hill... I'm very
    loathe to waste my momentum by braking when it can carry me part way up
    the next hill ;-)

    I thought that a *Cambridgeshire Hill* was an oxymoron !!!

    Not in my books, but I've been informed by my better half (and companion
    on the ride) that we actually spent quite a lot of time in Suffolk...
    and it was that part of it that most of the hills were (though the climb
    out of Six Mile Bottom is definitely a hill, though I've no idea if that
    is actually in or out of cambridgeshire).

    Besides. The Gog Magog hills are in cambyshire. And they're definitely
    hills that I'd:

    a) not try cycling up yet,
    b) would defeat me if I did.

    Oh, and then there's the hills near to them, between Cherry Hinton and
    (er?) the Shelfords? They count as hills too, though I've managed to
    cycle up them in the past with varying degrees of success, I think I'd
    manage them in one go these days from the improvements I've made.

    I don't care that they're not on quite the same scale as the north downs
    (where I live) or that they're not the Penines or Dales (where some of
    you lot live) but to me there's plenty of hills around cambridgeshire,
    ta very much :-P

    --

    Velvet

  8. in message <[email hidden]>, Gonzalez

    (') said:

    On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 08:50:48 GMT, Velvet <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Had a great day out cycling around cambridgeshire - though somewhat
    frustrating to be braking whilst freewheeling up a hill cos the better
    half doesn't get as fast as I do down the previous hill... I'm very
    loathe to waste my momentum by braking when it can carry me part way
    up the next hill ;-)

    I thought that a *Cambridgeshire Hill* was an oxymoron !!!

    We've had this before, with Norfolk. Please don't start it again.
    Flatness is relative. Cambridgeshire is not as flat as... as... as a
    very, very, very flat thing. OK?

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    Morning had broken, and there was nothing left for us to do
    but pick up the pieces.

  9. Velvet said:

    Not in my books, but I've been informed by my better half (and companion
    on the ride) that we actually spent quite a lot of time in Suffolk...
    and it was that part of it that most of the hills were (though the climb
    out of Six Mile Bottom is definitely a hill, though I've no idea if that
    is actually in or out of cambridgeshire).

    Well inside Cambridgeshire. FYI the climb about 1km to the south is a
    lot more pleasant with much less car traffic. You can turn left onto
    the Dullingham Road too, or continue to Weston Colville. Stop at the top
    of the first crest for a good view north.

    Quoted message said:

    Besides. The Gog Magog hills are in cambyshire. And they're definitely
    hills that I'd:

    a) not try cycling up yet,
    b) would defeat me if I did.

    If you can do the Six Mile Bottom/Brinkley climb you should have no
    problem with the road over the Gogs.

    Quoted message said:

    Oh, and then there's the hills near to them, between Cherry Hinton and
    (er?) the Shelfords?

    Lime Kiln Road? Horrible lorry traffic, I avoid it!

    Mike

  10. Mike Causer said:
    Velvet said:

    Not in my books, but I've been informed by my better half (and companion
    on the ride) that we actually spent quite a lot of time in Suffolk...
    and it was that part of it that most of the hills were (though the climb
    out of Six Mile Bottom is definitely a hill, though I've no idea if that
    is actually in or out of cambridgeshire).

    Well inside Cambridgeshire. FYI the climb about 1km to the south is a
    lot more pleasant with much less car traffic. You can turn left onto
    the Dullingham Road too, or continue to Weston Colville. Stop at the top
    of the first crest for a good view north.

    Quoted message said:

    Besides. The Gog Magog hills are in cambyshire. And they're definitely
    hills that I'd:

    a) not try cycling up yet,
    b) would defeat me if I did.

    If you can do the Six Mile Bottom/Brinkley climb you should have no
    problem with the road over the Gogs.

    Didn't do the 6mile right to brinkly, we turned left to dullingham
    before the next climb up... then right at the end of that t-junction...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Oh, and then there's the hills near to them, between Cherry Hinton and
    (er?) the Shelfords?

    Lime Kiln Road? Horrible lorry traffic, I avoid it!

    Ah, but at weekends? But I agree, not a nice road to cycle, given what
    I've seen from driving it.. but I was thinking more of the roads over
    the top from the bottom of the gog magogs/lime kiln roundabout and
    assosciated A road (I'm not actually from camby, hence my rather sketchy
    knowledge of road numbers!)

    Quoted message said:

    Mike

    --

    Velvet

  11. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    a) not try cycling up yet,
    b) would defeat me if I did.

    Hills you believe you cannot climb you will not climb. Hills you believe you
    can climb; you will climb.

    Honest guv. Trust me.

    Brian

  12. On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:16:47 GMT, Velvet <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Gonzalez said:

    On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 08:50:48 GMT, Velvet <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Had a great day out cycling around cambridgeshire - though somewhat
    frustrating to be braking whilst freewheeling up a hill cos the better
    half doesn't get as fast as I do down the previous hill... I'm very
    loathe to waste my momentum by braking when it can carry me part way up
    the next hill ;-)

    I thought that a *Cambridgeshire Hill* was an oxymoron !!!

    Not in my books, but I've been informed by my better half (and companion
    on the ride) that we actually spent quite a lot of time in Suffolk...
    and it was that part of it that most of the hills were (though the climb
    out of Six Mile Bottom is definitely a hill, though I've no idea if that
    is actually in or out of cambridgeshire).

    Besides. The Gog Magog hills are in cambyshire. And they're definitely
    hills that I'd:

    a) not try cycling up yet,
    b) would defeat me if I did.

    The Gog Magog hills rise to 74m above sea level: the road rises to
    71m. Addenbrookes Hospital is at 15m. The hospital is 3000m from the
    crest of the road, so the average road gradient is about 2%. Looking
    at the 1:25,000 map, even the maximum gradient doesn't seem to be
    above 5%.

    The high point on the road between The Shelfords and Cherry Hinton is
    43m.

    None of the above are hills. They are undulations - and that's
    pushing it!

    Quoted message said:

    Oh, and then there's the hills near to them, between Cherry Hinton and
    (er?) the Shelfords? They count as hills too, though I've managed to
    cycle up them in the past with varying degrees of success, I think I'd
    manage them in one go these days from the improvements I've made.

    I don't care that they're not on quite the same scale as the north downs
    (where I live) or that they're not the Penines or Dales (where some of
    you lot live) but to me there's plenty of hills around cambridgeshire,
    ta very much :-P

    They're not even on the scale of South East London. Shooters' Hill
    rises to 120m.

  13. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Simon Brooke said:

    We've had this before, with Norfolk. Please don't start it again.
    Flatness is relative. Cambridgeshire is not as flat as... as... as a
    very, very, very flat thing. OK?

    What, has it crinkled up since I graduated?

    --
    Nick Kew

  14. On 14/6/04 10:35 pm, in article [email hidden],

    Gonzalez said:

    None of the above are hills. They are undulations - and that's
    pushing it!

    Or FFF in my book (Flat for Fife)..

    ...d

  15. Velvet said:

    Didn't do the 6mile right to brinkly, we turned left to dullingham
    before the next climb up... then right at the end of that t-junction...

    You made 2/3rds of the height gain, and were past the steepest part.
    C'mon give yourself some credit ;-)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Lime Kiln Road? Horrible lorry traffic, I avoid it!

    Ah, but at weekends? But I agree, not a nice road to cycle, given what
    I've seen from driving it.. but I was thinking more of the roads over
    the top from the bottom of the gog magogs/lime kiln roundabout and
    assosciated A road (I'm not actually from camby, hence my rather sketchy
    knowledge of road numbers!)

    Heffers, Borders or Waterstones will sell you OS 1:25,000 maps 209 and
    210, which will show you lots of roads you never knew existed in the
    area. Sometimes a bit of local knowledge is needed to know which have
    the bad traffic (eg Lime Kiln Road looks innocuous), but by and large
    they're a big help. In this case you may be thinking of the road from
    the A1307 roundabout to the Shelfords, which is very easy. OS Grid
    references work a lot better than road numbers for this sort of thing..

    Mike

  16. Mike Causer said:

    On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:16:47 +0000, Velvet wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    If you can do the Six Mile Bottom/Brinkley climb you should have no
    problem with the road over the Gogs.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Oh, and then there's the hills near to them, between Cherry Hinton and
    (er?) the Shelfords?

    Lime Kiln Road? Horrible lorry traffic, I avoid it!

    When Velvet refers to the road over the gogs I think she's referring
    to Lime Kiln Rd not the road between Fulbourn and Addenbrooke's.
    The roads from the Shelfords reference is to the two roads that go
    between Hills Rd and the Shelfords.

  17. Mike Causer said:
    Velvet said:

    Didn't do the 6mile right to brinkly, we turned left to dullingham
    before the next climb up... then right at the end of that t-junction...

    You made 2/3rds of the height gain, and were past the steepest part.
    C'mon give yourself some credit ;-)

    I was? blimey, didn't realise that. Next time shan't turn off then :-)

    Quoted message said:


    Heffers, Borders or Waterstones will sell you OS 1:25,000 maps 209 and
    210, which will show you lots of roads you never knew existed in the
    area. Sometimes a bit of local knowledge is needed to know which have
    the bad traffic (eg Lime Kiln Road looks innocuous), but by and large
    they're a big help. In this case you may be thinking of the road from
    the A1307 roundabout to the Shelfords, which is very easy. OS Grid
    references work a lot better than road numbers for this sort of thing..

    Mike

    Yes, I have one of those, but I navigate by landmarks rather than road
    names, simply because of the sheer amount of driving I do - it tends to
    be easier to remember by visualisation rather than names.. I only come a
    cropper when trying to describe it to someone else ;-) Yes, that (and
    the one further into cambridge but the same road, running parallel to
    it) is the road I meant.

    It wasn't at all easy when I did it :-) But then I was completely unfit
    at that point.

    --

    Velvet

  18. Simon Proven said:
    Mike Causer said:

    On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:16:47 +0000, Velvet wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    If you can do the Six Mile Bottom/Brinkley climb you should have no
    problem with the road over the Gogs.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Oh, and then there's the hills near to them, between Cherry Hinton
    and (er?) the Shelfords?

    Lime Kiln Road? Horrible lorry traffic, I avoid it!

    When Velvet refers to the road over the gogs I think she's referring
    to Lime Kiln Rd not the road between Fulbourn and Addenbrooke's.
    The roads from the Shelfords reference is to the two roads that go
    between Hills Rd and the Shelfords.

    I was actually referring both to lime kiln road and the
    fulbourn/addenbrookes road, being both fairly substantial hills in their
    own rights :-)

    Oh, and yes, also referring to the ones further over toward the shelfords.

    Thankyou :-)

    --

    Velvet

  19. David Martin said:

    On 14/6/04 10:35 pm, in article [email hidden],

    Gonzalez said:

    None of the above are hills. They are undulations - and that's
    pushing it!

    Or FFF in my book (Flat for Fife)..

    ..d

    Look, my definition of a hill is something I can't cycle up without
    putting in a fair bit of effort.

    I live on the north downs, I've been to Scotland, Yorkshire, Lakes/Peaks
    - I appreciate what hills can be like, but that doesn't mean cambridge
    doesn't have any.

    Fit cyclists that go hareing up mountainsides and call them hills, and
    dismiss anything else as being undulations or equally of no substance
    can (put politely) go crank themselves.

    I post here with a very positive experience with cycling, and then you
    lot (not all of you, I know) pick it apart and tell me they're not
    hills, inferring a real cyclist would call it a flat ride, well
    sprockets to the lot of you - I had a good time, I enjoyed myself, and I
    did better than I thought I would, and improved over what I've managed
    before.

    Maybe if there were fewer snobs in cycling trying to belittle the
    achievements of others there might be a few more of us willing to give
    it a go.

    <mutter mutter paving slab faerie invocation mutter mutter>

    --

    Velvet

  20. Velvet said:

    Fit cyclists that go hareing up mountainsides and call them hills, and
    dismiss anything else as being undulations or equally of no substance
    can (put politely) go crank themselves.

    I post here with a very positive experience with cycling, and then you
    lot (not all of you, I know) pick it apart and tell me they're not
    hills, inferring a real cyclist would call it a flat ride, well
    sprockets to the lot of you - I had a good time, I enjoyed myself, and
    I did better than I thought I would, and improved over what I've
    managed before.

    And you know that better than anyone, which is kewl.

    Quoted message said:

    Maybe if there were fewer snobs in cycling trying to belittle the
    achievements of others there might be a few more of us willing to give
    it a go.

    On the other hand, this fat unfit bloke lives in a hilly area, where any
    route that isn't on the valley floor involves 200-350m climbs. I'm
    rather partial to descriptions of routes that involve 75m climbs as
    "hills", because it makes me feel Very Smug Indeed at the routes I've
    managed.

    :-)

    --
    Keith Willoughby http://flat222.org/keith/
    They're parking camels where the taxis used to be

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