Journey Planner

Peter Clinch said:

if you fancy some input, surf on over to:
http://www.cyclejourneyplanner.org.uk/

Done.

What did you put for "one thing that would make you cycle more"? After
careful reflection, and the dismissal of "the banning of private motor
transport" as a little authoritarian, I decided that cycle
security/storage at my destinations would be it.

I also made a point in the "other comments" section about following HTML
and CSS, etc., standards. It would be nice if other people mention that
too.

--
Keith Willoughby http://flat222.org/keith/
We all blamed the committee, but no-one there blamed Dai

Peter Clinch said:

"The Department for Transport (DfT) would like to create a National
online cycle journey planner to help people plan point-to-point urban
cycle routes. The planner will provide automatic routing specific to
cyclists, based on user preferences and information about the
recommended local cycling routes (avoiding traffic, difficult junctions
etc.). The cycling journey planner will also work with the national
Transport Direct journey planner which deals with other modes of
transport."

I suggested they talk to the CTC as well, gave the option to show a
route not using shared-use paths, and indicated traffic calmed areas
(which can be safer or less safe depending on the type of calming).

Keith Willoughby said:

I also made a point in the "other comments" section about following HTML
and CSS, etc., standards. It would be nice if other people mention that
too.

I use a mixture of shimano and sachs. Is that still compatible with
CSS?

--
Young Musician of the Year 2004 was a fiddle

Keith Willoughby said:

Peter Clinch said:

if you fancy some input, surf on over to:
http://www.cyclejourneyplanner.org.uk/

Done.

What did you put for "one thing that would make you cycle more"? After
careful reflection, and the dismissal of "the banning of private motor
transport" as a little authoritarian, I decided that cycle
security/storage at my destinations would be it.

I wrote:

"Other than fewer and slower cars, you mean? Bike Parking"

Quoted message said:

I also made a point in the "other comments" section about following HTML
and CSS, etc., standards. It would be nice if other people mention that
too.

Keith Willoughby said:

What did you put for "one thing that would make you cycle more"? After
careful reflection, and the dismissal of "the banning of private motor
transport" as a little authoritarian, I decided that cycle
security/storage at my destinations would be it.

I suggested removal of the barriers that prevent anyone towing a trailer
from accessing certain cyclepaths.

--
Danny Colyer (the UK company has been laughed out of my reply address)
<url:http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/danny/>
"He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

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Keith Willoughby said:

What did you put for "one thing that would make you cycle more"?
After careful reflection, and the dismissal of "the banning of
private motor transport" as a little authoritarian, I decided that
cycle security/storage at my destinations would be it.

I suggested removal of the barriers that prevent anyone towing a
trailer from accessing certain cyclepaths.

while I banged on about climb, gradients and track surfaces, and pointed
out that for a significant proportion of cyclists 'cyclists dismount'
is equivalent to 'no cycling', because if you're in the wrong sort of
shoes or on the wro^Wright sort of recumbent, dismounting and pushing
is really not possible.

--
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;; may contain traces of nuts, bolts or washers.

On Mon, 17 May 2004 16:56:27 +0100, Keith Willoughby
<[email hidden]> wrote (more or less):

Quoted message said:

Peter Clinch said:

if you fancy some input, surf on over to:
http://www.cyclejourneyplanner.org.uk/

Done.

What did you put for "one thing that would make you cycle more"? After
careful reflection, and the dismissal of "the banning of private motor
transport" as a little authoritarian, I decided that cycle
security/storage at my destinations would be it.

I also made a point in the "other comments" section about following HTML
and CSS, etc., standards. It would be nice if other people mention that
too.

When I ended up chatting to one of Edinburgh local councillor (at a
ground-breaking ceremony for a new office block) who was on the
relevant committee (I presume the transport committee) my suggestion
was mandatory shower provision for all new office blocks (I guess I
just assumed getting 2-3 car parking spaces devoted to bike use would
just happen)

Plus I got to try and persuade him away from shared cycle/pedestrian
paths.

(Which now I haunt this forum I discover is knowing-cyclists' policy,
rather than just my 'contrarian' view)

I don't know what effect it had. Mind you, there are now more on-road
lane markings. (Of course that's mainly for the busses!)

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Euan
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Keith Willoughby said:

What did you put for "one thing that would make you cycle more"? After
careful reflection, and the dismissal of "the banning of private motor
transport" as a little authoritarian, I decided that cycle
security/storage at my destinations would be it.

I said that I already to tried to cycle as much as reasonably possible,
and so there wasn't really anything (or at least not tangibly doable by
the government, like transplanting my head onto Sam Whittingham's body).

If you're worried about storage and parking at destination then take a
long, hard look at folding bikes. One reason I use a Brompton as my
Hack Bike is that the security issue pretty much disappears for the most
part.

Quoted message said:

I also made a point in the "other comments" section about following HTML
and CSS, etc., standards. It would be nice if other people mention that
too.

Good thinking...

My "other" was to talk to CTC and other such groups to make sure a
cyclists perspective was on board, illustrating by means of farcilities
how "well meaning" is not good enough.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch University of Dundee
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Keith Willoughby said:

Peter Clinch said:

if you fancy some input, surf on over to:
http://www.cyclejourneyplanner.org.uk/

Done.

What did you put for "one thing that would make you cycle more"?

Something like: "A highway code rule clearly stating that cyclists are
fully entitled to use the road network, are not required to use
facilities provided for their use and are not required to defer to motor
vehicles".

(Actually, that is not strictly true because I don't let the absence of
that rule stop me cycling. A more truthful answer might be "a 30 hour
day", but that's a bit harder to arrange.)

Peter

Peter Clinch said:

Keith Willoughby said:

What did you put for "one thing that would make you cycle more"? After
careful reflection, and the dismissal of "the banning of private motor
transport" as a little authoritarian, I decided that cycle
security/storage at my destinations would be it.

I said that I already to tried to cycle as much as reasonably
possible, and so there wasn't really anything (or at least not
tangibly doable by the government, like transplanting my head onto Sam
Whittingham's body).

Maybe you could get a grant for that? You'd probably need a Compulsory
Purchase Order, too.

Quoted message said:

If you're worried about storage and parking at destination then take a
long, hard look at folding bikes. One reason I use a Brompton as my
Hack Bike is that the security issue pretty much disappears for the
most part.

Hmm. I've never felt the weight of one. Are they really convenient for
carrying around town while you do some shopping?

--
Keith Willoughby http://flat222.org/keith/
Smoking cigarettes and watching Captain Kangaroo

Keith Willoughby said:

Hmm. I've never felt the weight of one. Are they really convenient for
carrying around town while you do some shopping?

No, I wheel it for any distance over a few meters. They effectively
have a built in stand as the first part of the fold and if I'm in a shop
where I can see outside I'll just swing the back wheel under and leave
it outside. This is not fully secure, granted, but (a) the general
perception of a Brom is it Must Be [censored] because it has small wheels, and
(b) the parking system makes it appear unrideable to the uninitiated, so
in practice it seems to be pretty safe.
Fold is about 15 seconds each way (less time than it takes to lock a
bike IME) so if you're not happy leaving it on the pavement you can fold
it, carry it in and leave it at the cash desk where the staff are more
than happy to keep an eye on it for you (nobody seems to mind, that
wouldn't work if everyone had one!) while you shop.

Brompton's pannier system makes for a very good basket for light
shopping as it rides on the main frame so affects the steering less than
a bar bag and 20 liters is enough for stuff where a bit here and a bit
there is the manor of shopping. And if you decide on heavier shopping,
have a visit from the puncture fairly or a monsoon sets in you can just
fold it up and take it home on the bus.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch University of Dundee
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

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Quoted message said:

What did you put for "one thing that would make you cycle more"? After
careful reflection, and the dismissal of "the banning of private motor
transport" as a little authoritarian, I decided that cycle
security/storage at my destinations would be it.

"An end to useless and dangerous cycle lanes, particularly shared use
facilities."

It may be counter-intuitive but I'm convinced that the growth in cycle
facilities, particularly shoddy ones, acts as a strong disincentive to
cycling.

--
Dave...

Keith Willoughby said:

What did you put for "one thing that would make you cycle more"? After
careful reflection, and the dismissal of "the banning of private motor
transport" as a little authoritarian, I decided that cycle
security/storage at my destinations would be it.

I listed

1) secure storage
2) better cycle provision on public transport
3) better numeracy

What? you only wanted a single answer? see point 3

Quoted message said:

I also made a point in the "other comments" section about following HTML
and CSS, etc., standards. It would be nice if other people mention that
too.

I listed my violent aversion to Flash and other plugins in the special
needs section. I always worry when people ask how fast my internet
connection is, as I suspect the subtext to be "how much HTML and
inline image bloat can we shove at you before you go elsewhere"

I ticked "no" for "objection to commercial sponsorship of the site, or
advertising", because there seemed to be no option for "unless it
interferes drastically with usability" - the single most annoying
feature of streetmap.co.uk is that every time I click on one of the
arrows to move aroudn the map it scrolls back up to the banner ads at
the top so I have to scroll down again. I'm not going to run my
screen at 1600x1200 just so I can see all their ads at once...

-dan

--
"please make sure that the person is your friend before you confirm"

like transplanting my head onto Sam Whittingham's body

But then you would have your face and his fingerprints, so who would
you be, and who he?
would you get his bicycle too?
TerryJ

Terry said:

like transplanting my head onto Sam Whittingham's body

But then you would have your face and his fingerprints, so who would
you be, and who he?

I'd be a damn site fitter and faster than I am now, and who he'd be
wouldn't be my problem! ;-)

Quoted message said:

would you get his bicycle too?

Wouldn't need it for what I want, and besides the Varna is about as much
use for general purpose cycling as an Ordinary is for downhill MTB...

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch University of Dundee
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/