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Re: Camping Stove

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  1. In news:[email hidden],
    Nick Kew <[email hidden]> typed:

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    In article <[email hidden]>,
    "Ambrose Nankivell" <[email hidden]>

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    Quoted message said:

    Didn't I read that it took more energy to make biodiesel than it
    contained?


    Quite possibly.

    But they were bullshitting propagandists who said so.

    The propagandists on my side say there's an 84% energy yield on it
    from their studies. Which is not dissimilar to the 84% energy yield
    from petrodiesel. Just that the biodiesel does it inna
    carbon-neutral stylee,

    Bzzt, big red herring there.

    In its natural state, the land devoted to growing biodiesel will be
    covered in vegetation, and absorbing CO2. When growing for man to
    burn, the same is true. Except that burning it then re-releases the
    CO2.
    So you've just neutralised land that *should* be making a positive
    contribution - which is not so very different overall to burning
    fossils but leaving todays plants to grow instead.

    I don't quite understand how land can make a positive contribution to being
    a carbon sink except for turning the soil into a carbon sink, and presumably
    that runs the risk of liberating quite a lot of methane from the rotting
    vegetation as well, which may be a gain in terms of CO2 levels, but hardly
    in terms of greenhouse gases.

    Presumably soil also has an output role to play in the carbon cycle as not
    all the world's carbon has dissappeared into soil and coal (although of
    course a fair proportion did upon the invention of the tree, but since then,
    AIUI CO2 levels haven't changed much)

    Quoted message said:

    Creative accounting is all about conveniently hiding things like that.

    But it's fairly safe to assume that cultivated land will also be producing
    products that are turned into carbon dioxide somehow, except for trees that
    eventually end up as landfill.

    A

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