Kingsley's FAQ & Frame Strip & Paint Options

hippy said:

I want to strip and paint a CHEAP frame. There were links to frame
painting info in the FAQ but it seems to be down/gone?
I don't want to do a Suzy and buy a heap of gear to paint it so it looks
like my options are:
1) Sand it down with sandpaper (god no!) and paint it myself (aerosol
can spraypaint).
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Thanks for any suggestions! hippy

I'm thinking the same thoughts, but my difficulties are somewha
different. I have no fear on the sand and paint the bike myself side o
things, but the disassembly and masking process has me wondering
Specifically, can anyone point me at a resource that lets me know abou
the pitfalls I'm likely to run inbto with regards to pulling apart an
reassembling things like the stem and cranks? I'm an utter noob in thi
regard, so any advice would be much appeciated

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hippy wrote:

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1) Sand it down with sandpaper (god no!) and paint it myself (aerosol
can spraypaint).

Paint stripper. Depending on the quality of the original job, it may
take up to 5 coats.

Originally posted by Resoun

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Specifically, can anyone point me at a resource that lets me >kno
about the pitfalls I'm likely to run inbto with regards to >pullin
apart and reassembling things like the stem and cranks

www.sheldonbrown.com has loads of info when it comes t
installing/maintaining bike hardware..

Another question of frame preparation.

What is the best way to remove cable guides and kickstand mounts fro
the Apollo frame? I think the angle grinder might have to come out t
play.. I'll be careful, really I will..

hipp

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Originally posted by Terry Collin

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1) Sand it down with sandpaper (god no!) and paint it myself (aeroso
can spraypaint)

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Paint stripper. Depending on the quality of the original job, it ma
take up to 5 coats

Yeah, I would apply that before the finer sanding. Coles don't have an
though and all the auto shops were closed when I looked for it. Mayb
Bunnings would have some

Which option would you choose for painting? I think getting an aut
painter would be a nice option, but I need help justifying a paint jo
worth 10x more than the frame

Is powder coating more durable than paint? I'm guessing so.

hipp

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hippy said:

I want to strip and paint a CHEAP frame. There were links to frame
painting info in the FAQ but it seems to be down/gone?

I don't want to do a Suzy and buy a heap of gear to paint it so it
looks like my options are:

1) Sand it down with sandpaper (god no!) and paint it myself (aerosol
can spraypaint).

I've done this as a kid, the frame is still kicking around under my parents' house, never again. It did keep me off the streets for
quite a few weekends.

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2) Pay someone to blast it and paint it myself.

3) Pay someone to blast it and pay someone to powdercoat it

4) Pay someone to blast it and pay someone to paint it

I think these are in order of escalating cost.

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I'd chose paint, but not for any really good reason.

Parbs

hippy said:

Quoted message said:

Originally posted by Terry Collins

Quoted message said:

1) Sand it down with sandpaper (god no!) and paint it myself (aerosol
can spraypaint).

Paint stripper. Depending on the quality of the original job, it may
take up to 5 coats.

Yeah, I would apply that before the finer sanding. Coles don't have any
though and all the auto shops were closed when I looked for it. Maybe
Bunnings would have some?

I get mine from a real hardware store, but yep, Bunnings, etc should
have it.

Basically, I put it on and wait until a fair bit has blistered (~30
minutes) then scrapped and/or wire brushed it off. Wear googles. then I
just repeated it again and again.

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Which option would you choose for painting? I think getting an auto
painter would be a nice option, but I need help justifying a paint job
worth 10x more than the frame.

It is absolutely a waste of time asking me about painting. I just slap
some household enamel on my bikes. It horrified the guy that did some
frame mods for me a few decades ago (an apollo III actually), but I've
never had my bike nicked. I was going to uni at the time.

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Is powder coating more durable than paint? I'm guessing so..

Unfortunately, the only powder coating I ever had done (for some signs)
came back fscked (pin holes everywhere), so I would strongly suggest
only dealing with a reputable painter.

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Originally posted by Terry Collin

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Paint stripper. Depending on the quality of the original job, it ma
take up to 5 coats

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I get mine from a real hardware store, but yep, Bunnings, et
should have it

They do, but they want $18 for a litre. The guy said I'd need a litre t
strip a bike frame (he was guessing). Sounds like a lot of hardcor
chemicals to remove some paint! Assuming I remember and have time, I'l
call some places tomorrow and see how much it costs to have a fram
blasted clean.. then decide

thanks for your suggestions, hipp

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hippy said:

I want to strip and paint a CHEAP 😉 frame.
3) Pay someone to blast it and pay someone to powdercoat it

I recomend powdercoat

Gripsport use a good & experienced powdercoat place, not cheap though.
$180, I think

I also heard this place is OK. Call 'em up for a price

Bell Powder Coating 112 Bell St Preston 307
(03) 9484 600

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Originally posted by hippy:

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I don't want to do a Suzy and buy a heap of gear to pain

So is being verbed a good thing or a bad thing

Your best cheap bet is to buy some paint stripper. Half a litre or s
will do. Paint it on, leave it a couple of hours, then set to with wir
brush and paint scraper. Wear rubber gloves, as it does reall
interesting things to your skin otherwise

As for painting options, I thoroughly recommend a compressor, paint gun
and some good quality paint, but if I were starving I'd try some of th
enamel spray cans you can get from the hardware store. Steer away fro
car touch-up paint, as it's not very durable and will chip badly

Use a file to take off and stuff you don't want from the frame, rathe
than a grinder. A grinder is liable to get things too hot

Best of luck

Suz

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Originally posted by Bikesoiler I recomend powdercoat

As do all the auto spray painters I just called.

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Gripsport use a good & experienced powdercoat place, not cheap though
~ $180, I think

Ouch

After wrestling with yellowpages.com.au, which spits out powde
coaters for one suburb and 17 for the suburb next to it, I have th
following quote

For a steel bike frame and fork it will cost $25-30 for sand blastin
and $39 for coating and will take about a week. I found another plac
that will coat for $30, but they don't blast and all the other blaster
are more expensive than $25-30

Question: Is sandblasting okay on a bike frame? What about th
various threads

hipp

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How 'softcore' are you getting

money is flowing. effort is being averted. those bicycle express frame
may end up cheaper than your project at this rate!:

next thing you'll be assigning someone to ride it for you :

running away now. all hopes of getting hippy's discarded ENO hub gone..

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Originally posted by suzy

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hippy I don't want to do a Suzy and buy a heap of gear to pain

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So is being verbed a good thing or a bad thing

Most definately a good thing! Much respect for your garage-efforts!
don't have the time/patience/tools/room/<insert any other excuses here
to do the stuff you do.

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Your best cheap bet is to buy some paint stripper

The Bunnings guy I called said I'd need a litre and it would cost $18
The quote I just got for blasting was for $25-30. If this deal remains
I'm going to drop it off at this mob and get it blasted and powder
coated (sounds more durable than paint) for $70. I am happy with tha
price and I also like the fact that a litre of seriously toxic cru
doesn't end up in my backyard

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As for painting options, I thoroughly recommend a compressor, >pain
gun, and some good quality paint, but if I were starving >I'd tr
some of the enamel spray cans you can get from the >hardware store
Steer away from car touch-up paint, as it's not >very durable an
will chip badly

I was going to do the spraycan paintjob, but the blast+coat is much mor
tempting. It might cost me $50 more, but I'm willing to pay that fo
what I know will be a better finish

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Use a file to take off and stuff you don't want from the frame, >rathe
than a grinder. A grinder is liable to get things too hot

Cheers! I will try to find a file and give it a go tonight. I don't eve
have a workbench or a vice at home 🙁 so Bunnings might be getting som
of my cash tonight..

Thanks again! hipp

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hippy said:

[B After wrestling with yellowpages.com.au, which spits out powder
coaters for one suburb and 17 for the suburb next to it, I have the
following quote:
For a steel bike frame and fork it will cost $25-30 for sand blasting
and $39 for coating and will take about a week. I found another place
that will coat for $30, but they don't blast and all the other blasters
are more expensive than $25-30.
Question: Is sandblasting okay on a bike frame? What about the
various threads?
hippy

I would recomend bead blasting over sandblasting. Not sure about thread
but am sure I'd only give any frame of mine to someone who has done bik
frames &/or thin tubes before

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Originally posted by flyingdutch How 'softcore' are you getting

hehe.

O' Contrare... (however the hell you spell that!

What you fail to understand is this: If I get someone else to strip an
paint the bike... I can be RIDING during this time!!

Instead of sitting in a shed sniffing paint stripper fumes.. (well mayb
that would be fun?) I can leave it to someone to do a GOOD job and rid
another bike.. yay! :

I never claimed to like working on bikes, only riding them :

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money is flowing. effort is being averted. those bicycle expres

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frames may end up cheaper than your project at this rate!:

I think I've said before that money spent on bikes is never wasted..
spend up people! :

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next thing you'll be assigning someone to ride it for you :

I'm looking for volunteers to ride my ss home tonight? Anyone? Anyone
I'm tired, I'm running myself into the ground and it's pissing dow
outside..

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running away now. all hopes of getting hippy's discarded ENO hu
gone..

Discarded? Just coz I'm getting a set of track hubs, don't think I'm no
going to use the ENO in another bike! :

hipp
- no such thing as too many

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I'm looking for volunteers to ride my ss home tonight? Anyone

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>Anyone? I'm tired, I'm running myself into the ground and it'
>pissing down outside..

I hear ya! I stupidly took the guards off this morning thinking "What
beautiful day!

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hipp
- no such thing as too many

Guess who aint married, then

Hehe

That's what that dude down in Geelong said! And look where it got him
Noice collection tho. Just got back from the copshop..

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Originally posted by flyingdutch I hear ya! I stupidly took the guard
off this morning >thinking "What a beautiful day!

hehe.. did you think you were in Sydney or something? :

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hipp
- no such thing as too many

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Guess who aint married, then

Yeah, I've recently been made relationship-redundant too.

Fuggit, more time for the beer & bikes..

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That's what that dude down in Geelong said! And look where it got him
Noice collection tho. Just got back from the copshop..

He lived to a ripe old age didn't he? and he's now world famous! :-

At least I ride most of my bikes.. he just locked 'em in his house

hipp

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hippy said:

Yeah, I've recently been made relationship-redundant too..
Fuggit, more time for the beer & bikes...
hippy

He's available goirls

what more could you want? a houseful of bikes, beer and hair:

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hippy said:

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Originally posted by Terry Collins

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Paint stripper. Depending on the quality of the original job, it may
take up to 5 coats.

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I get mine from a real hardware store, but yep, Bunnings, etc
should have it.

They do, but they want $18 for a litre. The guy said I'd need a litre to
strip a bike frame (he was guessing). Sounds like a lot of hardcore
chemicals to remove some paint! Assuming I remember and have time, I'll
call some places tomorrow and see how much it costs to have a frame
blasted clean.. then decide.

The $$ is one reason I avoid Bunnings, but everything eventually goes
up.

Basically, some paint jobs come off easily, but Taiwan 2-pack is
suppossed to be a lifetime paintjob (It kills the workers lungs and
remains after the frame rusts away {:-).

My other method is burning it off with the oxy-acetylene torch and/or a
linisher (belt sander basically),

Have fun.

In aus.bicycle on Thu, 03 Jun 2004 04:15:09 GMT

hippy said:

Question: Is sandblasting okay on a bike frame? What about the
various threads?

When I got a motorcycle frame blasted, I taped all external threads with
masking tape, and I stuffed rag into internal threads and taped over
that.

Ask your blaster their preferred thread protecting method. Also, don't
forget any bearing surfaces need to be protected too.

Zebee