Campag clusters???

Hitchy said:

G'day all,
a mate has been told, (by his LBS),that in order to change his Chorus 10
cluster from 11-23 to 12-25, he needs to buy a whole new cluster. Can he
just buy the individual cogs that he needs?....being a died in the wool
Shimano man, I have no clues on Campy stuff. Any help would be
appreciated,
cheers,
Hitchy

Hitchy:

Haven't checked with Shimano directly, but several shops told me tha
they don't sell individual cogs. I was to convert my 12-23 to 11-23. Ha
to buy a whole cog set. Are you saying that we can mix and match Shiman
cog components (by purchasing individual bits)

Cheers, Amir

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"amirm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Haven't checked with Shimano directly, but several shops told me that
they don't sell individual cogs. I was to convert my 12-23 to 11-23.

Had

Quoted message said:

to buy a whole cog set. Are you saying that we can mix and match

Shimano

Quoted message said:

cog components (by purchasing individual bits)?

I think he's talking about Campagnolo not Big S.
Can you swap Campag cogs on a cassette?

Check this thread:
http://tinyurl.com/2xgtt

Long Url Version (I call it LUV ;-)):
<http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&threadm=3aeea4
0b.168068750%40netnews.att.net&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26i
e%3DISO-8859-1%26safe%3Doff%26q%3DCampag%2BChorus%2Bswap%2Bcogs>

hippy

Hippy said:

"amirm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4vBYb.66-
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Quoted message said:

Haven't checked with Shimano directly, but several shops told me that
they don't sell individual cogs. I was to convert my 12-23 to 11-23.

Had

Quoted message said:

to buy a whole cog set. Are you saying that we can mix and match

Shimano

Quoted message said:

cog components (by purchasing individual bits)?

I think he's talking about Campagnolo not Big S. Can you swap Campag
cogs on a cassette?
Check this thread: http://tinyurl.com/2xgtthttp://tinyurl.com/2xgtt
Long Url Version (I call it LUV ;-)): <http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-
http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF- 8&safe=off&threadm=3aeea4
0b.168068750%40netnews.att.net&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26i
e%3DISO-8859-1%26safe%3Doff%26q%3DCampag%2BChorus%2Bswap%2Bcogs>
hippy

Hi Hippy:

I got the question first time around, except that I have no idea abou
campies either. I was throwing a new question, because the original pos
looked as if we can buy individual cogs for Shimano (contrary to what
was told). That's all

Cheers, Amir

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amirm said:

Hi Hippy:
I got the question first time around, except that I have no idea about
campies either. I was throwing a new question, because the original post
looked as if we can buy individual cogs for Shimano (contrary to what I
was told). That's all.
Cheers, Amir.

G'day Amir

Its a relatively simple job to change from 11-23 to 12-25 on Shimano. H
would just need to buy a 25-23-21 (the top end are stuck together) t
replace his 23-21-19. He would probably also need a 19 (you can ge
those singularly I think) & then drop the 11 at the othe
end.......relatively cheap & simple operation. With Campy, what he'
being told is that he needs to buy the WHOLE cassette (all bloody 10) t
achieve the same outcome. The really sad part is they want about $25
for the priviledge vs about $70 for the 4 DA equivilants......I gues
what I'm wondering is...is this right??

cheers

Hitch

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from
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/k7.html#sprockets

Quoted message said:

Individual Campagnolo sprockets are not readily available

Quoted message said:

Do you want a cassette combination Shimano doesn't make? We carry many

individual sprockets for >Shimano cassettes, and can provide most sizes. The
most economical approach to custom cassettes is to >buy a stock cassette
that has most of the gears you want, then an additional sprocket or two to
substitute for >the un-wanted sizes.

now you just have to find somewhere in oz that has them

Hitchy said:

amirm said:

Hi Hippy:
I got the question first time around, except that I have no idea about
campies either. I was throwing a new question, because the original post
looked as if we can buy individual cogs for Shimano (contrary to what I
was told). That's all.
Cheers, Amir.

Quoted message said:

G'day Amir,

Quoted message said:

Its a relatively simple job to change from 11-23 to 12-25 on Shimano. He
would just need to buy a 25-23-21 (the top end are stuck together) to
replace his 23-21-19. He would probably also need a 19 (you can get
those singularly I think) & then drop the 11 at the other
end.......relatively cheap & simple operation. With Campy, what he's
being told is that he needs to buy the WHOLE cassette (all bloody 10) to
achieve the same outcome. The really sad part is they want about $250
for the priviledge vs about $70 for the 4 DA equivilants......I guess
what I'm wondering is...is this right??,

Quoted message said:

cheers,

Quoted message said:

Hitchy

Well I reckon cassettes are all more expensive than they should be,
especially 10 speed. But new road bikes are sold on the promise of
the latest thing so somebody has to pay for the marketing costs.

Incidentally, $250 is around about what a DA cassette costs.

See if you can get Miche cassettes or sprockets. They are compatible
with Campag so maybe it will be cheaper.

He could always go with a Veloce cassette for ~$140. I don't reckon
there's much practical difference between the two. Well, not $100+
difference anyway.

Cheers.

--
Nick

Hitchy said:

G'day all,

a mate has been told, (by his LBS),that in order to change his Chorus 10
cluster from 11-23 to 12-25, he needs to buy a whole new cluster. Can he
just buy the individual cogs that he needs?....being a died in the wool
Shimano man, I have no clues on Campy stuff. Any help would be
appreciated,

He doesn't need to buy a complete cluster. There are charts on the
Campag website that show exactly which cogs and spacers go to make up
each cassette.

Briefly, he'll need a new 12, 16-17, 19-21, 23-25 plus new I and L
spacers (1 each), plus maybe a new lockring. The new 12 has ridges to
fit with the lockring. In the 11-23 Chorus, the 16 cog is a single,
and the 17-19 and 21-23 cogs are doubles.

The next trick is to find someone who stocks the parts.

Centaur and Veloce cassettes are cheaper, but a bit heavier.

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Regards.
Richard.

Hitchy said:

G'day Amir,
Its a relatively simple job to change from 11-23 to 12-25 on Shimano. He
would just need to buy a 25-23-21 (the top end are stuck together) to
replace his 23-21-19. He would probably also need a 19 (you can get
those singularly I think) & then drop the 11 at the other
end.......relatively cheap & simple operation. With Campy, what he's
being told is that he needs to buy the WHOLE cassette (all bloody 10) to
achieve the same outcome. The really sad part is they want about $250
for the priviledge vs about $70 for the 4 DA equivilants......I guess
what I'm wondering is...is this right??,
cheers,
Hitchy

Hi Hitchy:

So the morale of the story is that I was ripped off by the mechanics
wrong advice. They said that Shimano won't sell individual cogs. Thi
cost me $250 when I bought a set of 11-23 and a set of 12-27 (bot
Ultegra). Gotta doublecheck next time

Cheers, Amir

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Hitchy said:

G'day Amir,
Its a relatively simple job to change from 11-23 to 12-25 on Shimano. He
would just need to buy a 25-23-21 (the top end are stuck together) to
replace his 23-21-19. He would probably also need a 19 (you can get
those singularly I think) & then drop the 11 at the other
end.......relatively cheap & simple operation. With Campy, what he's
being told is that he needs to buy the WHOLE cassette (all bloody 10) to
achieve the same outcome. The really sad part is they want about $250
for the priviledge vs about $70 for the 4 DA equivilants......I guess
what I'm wondering is...is this right??,
cheers,
Hitchy

Hi Hitchy:

So the morale of the story is that I was ripped off by the mechanics
wrong advice. They said that Shimano won't sell individual cogs. Thi
cost me $250 when I bought a set of 11-23 and a set of 12-27 (bot
Ultegra). Gotta doublecheck next time

Cheers, Amir

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Richard's on the mone

the 2 clusters configs are

11 - 12 - 13 - 14 - 15 - 16 - {17 - 19} - {21 - 23} 12 - 13 - 14 - 15
{16 - 17} - {19 - 21} - {23 - 25

you will, as stated need to change the smallest one to ensure i
integrates with the lockrin

This is all approx $100US (120Oz) plus getting your local wood-duck LB
to change it ove

you could try cecil walker (his brother owns the Oz campag importing
and bianchi, sella, etc)

or take a look at

http://www.branfordbike.com/cassette/cog16.htm

branford is the best for campy info and comaptability issues. far bette
than the campag sit

All of a sudden a Veloce at Price: $147.00 is looking good

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I'd be very surprised to find somewhere in Australia selling individual
campy 10 speed or shimano 10 speed cogs.

Somewhere like Clarence Street Cyclery in the middle of Sydney may, but I
doubt any LBS could afford to do it.

The only other option is buy from OS.

Peter

"Richard Sherratt" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Hitchy said:

G'day all,

a mate has been told, (by his LBS),that in order to change his Chorus 10
cluster from 11-23 to 12-25, he needs to buy a whole new cluster. Can he
just buy the individual cogs that he needs?....being a died in the wool
Shimano man, I have no clues on Campy stuff. Any help would be
appreciated,

He doesn't need to buy a complete cluster. There are charts on the
Campag website that show exactly which cogs and spacers go to make up
each cassette.

Briefly, he'll need a new 12, 16-17, 19-21, 23-25 plus new I and L
spacers (1 each), plus maybe a new lockring. The new 12 has ridges to
fit with the lockring. In the 11-23 Chorus, the 16 cog is a single,
and the 17-19 and 21-23 cogs are doubles.

The next trick is to find someone who stocks the parts.

Centaur and Veloce cassettes are cheaper, but a bit heavier.

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Regards.
Richard.

On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 21:33:51 GMT, amirm
<[email hidden]> wrote:

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Quoted message said:

So the morale of the story is that I was ripped off by the mechanics'
wrong advice. They said that Shimano won't sell individual cogs. This
cost me $250 when I bought a set of 11-23 and a set of 12-27 (both
Ultegra). Gotta doublecheck next time.

The story I heard is that Shimano stopped selling individual cogs when
they went from Uniglide to Hyperglide.

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Regards.
Richard.

flyingdutch said:

the 2 clusters configs are:

11 - 12 - 13 - 14 - 15 - 16 - {17 - 19} - {21 - 23}
12 - 13 - 14 - 15 - {16 - 17} - {19 - 21} - {23 - 25}

you will, as stated need to change the smallest one to ensure it
integrates with the lockring

And don't forget the two spacers and the lockring.

Quoted message said:

This is all approx $100US (120Oz) plus getting your local wood-duck LBS
to change it over

Get a lockring tool and a chain whip and then it's easy to do it
yourself.

Quoted message said:

you could try cecil walker (his brother owns the Oz campag importing,
and bianchi, sella, etc).

or take a look at:

http://www.branfordbike.com/cassette/cog16.html

branford is the best for campy info and comaptability issues. far better
than the campag site

All of a sudden a Veloce at Price: $147.00 is looking good!

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Regards.
Richard.

Richard Sherratt said:

The story I heard is that Shimano stopped selling individual
cogs when they went from Uniglide to Hyperglide.

I'll be needing some Hyperglide sprockets before long, as a
couple of my sons have this setup (I use an internal-gear hub
myself).

I notice that http://www.sjscycles.com/store/vIndex.htm has a
range of replacements (under "CASSETTES" / "Hyperglide spares"😉.
Hopefully all those ID code letters will make sense when the time
comes (and reading http://www.sheldonbrown.com/k7.html seems to
help here).

John

Hitchy said:

G'day all,

a mate has been told, (by his LBS),that in order to change his Chorus 10
cluster from 11-23 to 12-25, he needs to buy a whole new cluster. Can he
just buy the individual cogs that he needs?....being a died in the wool
Shimano man, I have no clues on Campy stuff. Any help would be
appreciated,

cheers,

Hitchy

With techo questions like this that don't relate to Oz in particular,
you'll do better asking on rec.bicycles.tech. It's amazing what some
people know and they are mostly helpful too.

Hope this helps,

&roo