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  1. Theo Bekkers:

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    "Jose Rizal" <_@_._> who hides behind a fake address wrote

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    The most obvious difference is that ethnic descriptors are quite
    exclusive, while gender ones are less so. Both genders exist in all
    ethnic groups and hence are a lot more general in descriptive


    nature,

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    whereas singling out a specific ethnic group and attaching anomalous
    behaviour to it is specific discrimination. Couple that with an
    atrocious attempt at justification by dredging up all sorts of
    irrelevant, unrelated statistics such as Mark Lee had done, and no
    doubts are left as to the racist overtone of the original remark.

    Jose, I've been reading your pleas for tolerance and understanding
    ever since you placed an emphasis on the original post that the poster
    did not imply and nobody else inferred.

    You haven't been reading all the posts then, or are you just selectively
    blind?

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    The facts of life is that people are different, and whereas those
    differences allow people to discriminate against those who are not of
    their own group, it also allows people to describe other people. You
    don't appear to see the difference. You would want the French to drop
    the use of 'le' and 'la' and Australians to drop any gender or ethnic
    descriptors from their language.

    You assume this. Where have I stated such?

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    Why not make a law preventing the use
    of the word 'tall' to describe a person as it is obviously
    discriminating against people of stature? Let's drop the word 'short'
    as well. We could go the US way and refer to people by their surnames
    only.

    Here we go again, resorting to exaggerations and red herrings to try to
    justify the obvious. Tiring, tiring, tiring....

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    The most hilarious word I see used in newspapers in Australia is the
    word 'Caucasian' to refer to an alleged offender. I wonder if the
    editors or the readers are aware that Australian aborigines are of the
    'Caucasian' race, the same as all the white people living here.

    Caucasian, together with Negroid, Mongoloid, and Asiatic, are terms that
    an anthropologist came up sometime in the 19th century to try to
    categorise humans into "races". Caucasian has been chosen for what was
    thought to be the best-looking group of people because they came from
    the Caucasus region in Europe.

    I guess I'm saying you're talking out of your bum.

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    I'm quite happy for people to refer to me as that four-eyed,
    grey-haired, balding, shortish, senior person, because that describes
    me very well. If I had to meet a stranger in a public place that is
    the kind of verbal image I would give them of myself. I do not
    consider any of those descriptors to be ageist, sexist, or any
    other -ist.

    I'd describe you all that myself. However, if I'd added "white" as
    well, I would be checking myself since I don't condone ethnocentricity.
    On the other hand, you can't understand any difference between that and
    all these other rhubarb issues you've tossed up, so it would all be the
    same to you, wouldn't it?

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    I suppose if somebody mugged you, you would refuse to describe them to
    the Police because you might marginalise their ethnic group.

    It is pretty tiring, really... was the post a description to the
    police? So why have you used that as a comparison, you four-eyed,
    grey-haired, balding, shortish, old geezer?

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    I have some words of advice for a person as anally PC such as
    yourself. Get a [censored] life.

    Theo

    This from someone who has just spent a considerable amount of time
    spewing the above rhubarb... hilarious. Thanks, but your advice, like
    your opinions, is worth SFA.

    You were doing a heroic attempt at being quasi-intelligent there, but
    you couldn't quite keep it up, could you?

    Ans is that "get a *[censored]* life", or "get a [censored] *life* "?

  2. "Jose Rizal" wrote

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    Theo Bekkers:

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    The most hilarious word I see used in newspapers in Australia is


    the

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    word 'Caucasian' to refer to an alleged offender. I wonder if the
    editors or the readers are aware that Australian aborigines are of


    the

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    'Caucasian' race, the same as all the white people living here.

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    Caucasian, together with Negroid, Mongoloid, and Asiatic, are terms


    that

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    an anthropologist came up sometime in the 19th century to try to
    categorise humans into "races". Caucasian has been chosen for what


    was

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    thought to be the best-looking group of people because they came


    from

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    the Caucasus region in Europe.

    I guess I'm saying you're talking out of your bum.

    I would suggest you do some research. Australian aborigenes are indeed
    classified as part of the Caucasian race. Now why did that upset you?
    Didn't like to be bracketed there? :-)

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    I'd describe you all that myself. However, if I'd added "white" as
    well, I would be checking myself since I don't condone


    ethnocentricity.

    Well, yes, I am pigment deficient. You may describe me as white. But
    not totally North-European white. My pigmentation is probably more
    like that of a person who called Jose who lives in Spain. Isn't it
    amazing how far north the Spanish conquest went in medieval Europe. I
    think they left some of their seed in my family 4 or 500 years ago.

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    So why have you used that as a comparison, you four-eyed,
    grey-haired, balding, shortish, old geezer?

    There you go. A wonderful attempt at a put-down. It actually made me
    smile.

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    This from someone who has just spent a considerable amount of time
    spewing the above rhubarb... hilarious.

    Wonderful! You got it?

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    Thanks, but your advice, like your opinions, is worth SFA.

    Damn it, for just a second I thought you saw the point of my post. Oh
    well.

    Cheers

    Theo

  3. Theo Bekkers:

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    "Jose Rizal" wrote

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    Theo Bekkers:

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    The most hilarious word I see used in newspapers in Australia is


    the

    Quoted message said:
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    word 'Caucasian' to refer to an alleged offender. I wonder if the
    editors or the readers are aware that Australian aborigines are of


    the

    Quoted message said:
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    'Caucasian' race, the same as all the white people living here.

    Quoted message said:

    Caucasian, together with Negroid, Mongoloid, and Asiatic, are terms


    that

    Quoted message said:

    an anthropologist came up sometime in the 19th century to try to
    categorise humans into "races". Caucasian has been chosen for what


    was

    Quoted message said:

    thought to be the best-looking group of people because they came


    from

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    the Caucasus region in Europe.

    I guess I'm saying you're talking out of your bum.

    I would suggest you do some research. Australian aborigenes are indeed
    classified as part of the Caucasian race.

    I would suggest you pick up a real book instead of reading pop magazines
    for your information. You're still spouting from your bum.

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    Now why did that upset you?
    Didn't like to be bracketed there? :-)

    Uh? Can you try to make sense at least?

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    I'd describe you all that myself. However, if I'd added "white" as
    well, I would be checking myself since I don't condone


    ethnocentricity.

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    Well, yes, I am pigment deficient. You may describe me as white. But
    not totally North-European white. My pigmentation is probably more
    like that of a person who called Jose who lives in Spain. Isn't it
    amazing how far north the Spanish conquest went in medieval Europe. I
    think they left some of their seed in my family 4 or 500 years ago.

    Hint: no one cares about your particulars. You missed the point yet
    again. Look beyond your own little world, and instead of centering
    everything around you, concentrate on what the issue of the thread has
    been all about. Your defensive stance on everything but the issue
    precludes any understanding of anything except justification of your
    shoulder chips.

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    So why have you used that as a comparison, you four-eyed,
    grey-haired, balding, shortish, old geezer?

    There you go. A wonderful attempt at a put-down. It actually made me
    smile.

    Better than resorting to witty responses like "get a [censored] life" and
    using phrases like "anal retentive" in place of credible arguments? You
    can recognise that, at least. There may be hope for you, but I'm still
    sceptical.

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    This from someone who has just spent a considerable amount of time
    spewing the above rhubarb... hilarious.

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    Wonderful! You got it?

    Indeed I did, but you obviously didn't.

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    Thanks, but your advice, like your opinions, is worth SFA.

    Damn it, for just a second I thought you saw the point of my post. Oh
    well.

    Oh, I got it. I wasted time responding to your post, thinking you had
    the ability to understand what the issue was about. Instead I saw a lot
    of whining, self-justification of entrenched behaviour consistent with
    ignorance, poor knowledge, and childish insults showing a particular
    fixation with the anus.

    Now go join your idiot friends and stand on the corner.

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    Cheers

    Theo

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