RideForNickBerg

"Daniel Payne" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I realize that this is probably not an international issue or
even one that is of national interest. It is probably only of local

interest,

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but I consider you my extended family, having been a small
part of this group since 1999. I realize that we are a mixed
group of people, of varied interests, but we all have one
interest in common, recumbent bikes. I have to share with you
a personal story... My son and I have taken three extended trips
on at least one recumbent bike for the last three years, this year
we were planing our forth, both of us on recumbent bikes,
when a classmate of my son was brutally
murdered in Iraq. His name was Nick Berg.
Reports of his death affected my family, my son and his classmates
greatly. Brian has decided to turn this ride which was to be the first
leg of our transcontinental ride, at two week takes, into a memorial
ride for Nick. As a father, I am proud of my son's unselfishness, and
his social conscience. As a friend i am glad to support him as a travel
companion, confidant, bike mechanic, and father. He has a web site
about this memorial ride at:
http://www.ridefornick.org

Please, lets just stop the hatred.

Regards, Daniel Payne
West Chester, Chester County, Pa, USA

Daniel, we are at war with the Islamic terrorists and we need to hate them
to the max, the same way we hated the Germans and Japanese in WWII. We need
to hate them so much that we will go to great expense and effort to track
them down and kill them where ever they may be. These Muslim terrorists are
human scum of the worst sort. I believe there are also religious elements to
this war which we ignore at our peril. We need to fight the Islamic
terrorists the same way that Israel fights the Palestinian terrorist groups.
The resolution of everything will be when victory is achieved and all the
Muslim terrorist scum are dead and buried. Let us steel ourselves for the
fight and never mind the hatred. Hatred is good if it motivates and
energizes us to do what is right.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Edward Dolan said:

"Daniel Payne" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I realize that this is probably not an international issue or
even one that is of national interest. It is probably only of local

interest,

Quoted message said:

but I consider you my extended family, having been a small
part of this group since 1999. I realize that we are a mixed
group of people, of varied interests, but we all have one
interest in common, recumbent bikes. I have to share with you
a personal story... My son and I have taken three extended trips
on at least one recumbent bike for the last three years, this year
we were planing our forth, both of us on recumbent bikes,
when a classmate of my son was brutally
murdered in Iraq. His name was Nick Berg.
Reports of his death affected my family, my son and his classmates
greatly. Brian has decided to turn this ride which was to be the first
leg of our transcontinental ride, at two week takes, into a memorial
ride for Nick. As a father, I am proud of my son's unselfishness, and
his social conscience. As a friend i am glad to support him as a travel
companion, confidant, bike mechanic, and father. He has a web site
about this memorial ride at:
http://www.ridefornick.org

Please, lets just stop the hatred.

Regards, Daniel Payne
West Chester, Chester County, Pa, USA

Daniel, we are at war with the Islamic terrorists and we need to hate them
to the max, the same way we hated the Germans and Japanese in WWII. We need
to hate them so much that we will go to great expense and effort to track
them down and kill them where ever they may be. These Muslim terrorists are
human scum of the worst sort. I believe there are also religious elements to
this war which we ignore at our peril. We need to fight the Islamic
terrorists the same way that Israel fights the Palestinian terrorist groups.
The resolution of everything will be when victory is achieved and all the
Muslim terrorist scum are dead and buried. Let us steel ourselves for the
fight and never mind the hatred. Hatred is good if it motivates and
energizes us to do what is right.

Hi Ed, Where does the revenge stop? How many others
get poisoned by these acts? In my case the hatred stops
with me. I will not allow myself to be degraded by this
negative emotion. I will agree that it is a motivator,
just not for me.

Regards Daniel Payne

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I realize that this is probably not an international issue or
even one that is of national interest.

I heard about Nick's death through the British media, where it was widely
reported. I was saddened by it - as I believe most people were.

I'm glad to hear about your memorial ride - it sounds a fitting tribute.

Kit

Quoted message said:

It is probably only of local interest,
but I consider you my extended family, having been a small
part of this group since 1999. I realize that we are a mixed
group of people, of varied interests, but we all have one
interest in common, recumbent bikes. I have to share with you
a personal story... My son and I have taken three extended trips
on at least one recumbent bike for the last three years, this year
we were planing our forth, both of us on recumbent bikes,
when a classmate of my son was brutally
murdered in Iraq. His name was Nick Berg.
Reports of his death affected my family, my son and his classmates
greatly. Brian has decided to turn this ride which was to be the first
leg of our transcontinental ride, at two week takes, into a memorial
ride for Nick. As a father, I am proud of my son's unselfishness, and
his social conscience. As a friend i am glad to support him as a travel
companion, confidant, bike mechanic, and father. He has a web site
about this memorial ride at:
http://www.ridefornick.org

Please, lets just stop the hatred.

Regards, Daniel Payne
West Chester, Chester County, Pa, USA

"Daniel Payne" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 May 2004 22:11:34 -0500, Edward Dolan wrote:

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Daniel Payne said:

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Please, lets just stop the hatred.

Regards, Daniel Payne
West Chester, Chester County, Pa, USA

Daniel, we are at war with the Islamic terrorists and we need to hate

them

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to the max, the same way we hated the Germans and Japanese in WWII. We

need

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to hate them so much that we will go to great expense and effort to

track

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them down and kill them where ever they may be. These Muslim terrorists

are

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human scum of the worst sort. I believe there are also religious

elements to

Quoted message said:

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this war which we ignore at our peril. We need to fight the Islamic
terrorists the same way that Israel fights the Palestinian terrorist

groups.

Quoted message said:

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The resolution of everything will be when victory is achieved and all

the

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Muslim terrorist scum are dead and buried. Let us steel ourselves for

the

Quoted message said:

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fight and never mind the hatred. Hatred is good if it motivates and
energizes us to do what is right.

Hi Ed, Where does the revenge stop? How many others
get poisoned by these acts? In my case the hatred stops
with me. I will not allow myself to be degraded by this
negative emotion. I will agree that it is a motivator,
just not for me.

Regards Daniel Payne

Daniel, you should talk to some of the returning soldiers who have spent the
past year in Afghanistan and Iraq and you would quickly learn to hate our
enemy. There is nothing degrading about negative emotions, most especially
when they are based on sound reasoning and experience. They are mostly what
makes the world go around. I am sorry that you are not up to the battle. The
rest of us Americans will have to carry on without you. All that we ask is
that you do not stand in our way with treasonous sentiments, like so many
liberals do.

By the way, we are not fighting this war out of a sense of revenge but to
defeat an enemy that is intent on killing us (yes, that means you too!). We
are also fighting this war out of a sense of justice. Take justice out of
the world and we might as well revert to living as savages back in the Stone
Age.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

On Thu, 20 May 2004 22:11:34 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>

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We need to fight the Islamic
terrorists the same way that Israel fights the Palestinian terrorist groups.
The resolution of everything will be when victory is achieved and all the
Muslim terrorist scum are dead and buried.

Well, that's not going to happen this time around. I don't know what
it will take to convince Americans that the Third Jihad is in progress
and has been since at least the early '90s, probably earlier than
that, arguably '83. I'll be called a war-mongering kook for pointing
out that the response to an earlier Jihad, known as the Crusades, took
a hundred years.

America has the resources, but not the political will, to defeat
terrorism. If the problem can't be solved between commercials, it
can't be solved.

Also, half the country thinks that the main problem is Bush, and his
defeat will make everything just ducky. If we can just get Kerry in
there, and make the US behave more like the rest of Europe, the
terrorists will say, "There. That's better!" and cease and desist
blowing up civilians.

An eye for an eye. They fly civilian airliners into the WTC. We
scare Iraqi prisoners with mean doggies. We're even. Except we're
worse because they had perfectly good reasons for flying civilian
airliners into the WTC.

That is all you need to know.

Edward Dolan said:

Daniel, you should talk to some of the returning soldiers who have spent
the past year in Afghanistan and Iraq and you would quickly learn to
hate our enemy. There is nothing degrading about negative emotions, most
especially when they are based on sound reasoning and experience. They
are mostly what makes the world go around. I am sorry that you are not
up to the battle. The rest of us Americans will have to carry on without
you. All that we ask is that you do not stand in our way with treasonous
sentiments, like so many liberals do.

By the way, we are not fighting this war out of a sense of revenge but
to defeat an enemy that is intent on killing us (yes, that means you
too!). We are also fighting this war out of a sense of justice. Take
justice out of the world and we might as well revert to living as
savages back in the Stone Age

A discusion of this nature was not my goal.
I will not participate further in this bad
turn in the topic, and apologize to the rest
of the group that we could not keep this at least tangentially
related to recumbents and riding.
Good day fellow riders, I have some packing
to do. I hope you all enjoy your day.

Daniel Payne
A pacifist in Pa.

"Zippy the Pinhead" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 May 2004 22:11:34 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

We need to fight the Islamic
terrorists the same way that Israel fights the Palestinian terrorist

groups.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The resolution of everything will be when victory is achieved and all the
Muslim terrorist scum are dead and buried.

Well, that's not going to happen this time around. I don't know what
it will take to convince Americans that the Third Jihad is in progress
and has been since at least the early '90s, probably earlier than
that, arguably '83. I'll be called a war-mongering kook for pointing
out that the response to an earlier Jihad, known as the Crusades, took
a hundred years.

Right you are again as usual! These g.d. liberals do not have a clue about
anything. They are seemingly mired in an eternal stupidity. THEY DO NOT
THINK WE ARE AT WAR! Damn their treasonous souls all the way to hell and
back. But this Muslim scum will turn out to be their own worst enemy as they
will eventually do something that will even wake up these treasonous
liberals from their slumbers. If we had a fair and balanced media in this
country (instead of the despicable NY Times, etc.) that would report the
truth instead of a constant stream of lies, the American people would soon
know what to think about these treasonous liberals and we would make short
work of them.

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America has the resources, but not the political will, to defeat
terrorism. If the problem can't be solved between commercials, it
can't be solved.

That is ever the problem in this country. I blame it all on the prevalent
liberal ideology (rampant in the major media and all of academia) which is
nothing but mush and nonsense and softens the brain to the point where it is
impossible to think straight about anything.

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Also, half the country thinks that the main problem is Bush, and his
defeat will make everything just ducky. If we can just get Kerry in
there, and make the US behave more like the rest of Europe, the
terrorists will say, "There. That's better!" and cease and desist
blowing up civilians.

Kerry thinks he can go to Europe and the UN and get everyone on board. He is
a fool to think that and so is everyone else who goes along with that kind
of thinking. Europe and the UN are permanently out to lunch and will be
there until an atom bomb is set off (preferably in France) and hundreds of
thousands are murdered. Then and only then will Europe get on board.

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An eye for an eye. They fly civilian airliners into the WTC. We
scare Iraqi prisoners with mean doggies. We're even. Except we're
worse because they had perfectly good reasons for flying civilian
airliners into the WTC.

The liberals have been confused about morality since day one. They barely
had a clue about how to deal with the Soviet Union at the close of WWII and
all during the Cold War. They are always into making moral equivalencies
when of course there are no moral equivalencies. The treatment of the Iraqi
prisoners for the purpose of getting information out of them in order to
save American lives is as nothing compared to how all Arab governments use
torture on their own people for their own purposes. Liberals never have a
clue about these sorts of things and are always into blaming America first.
I regard them as being treasonous to American goals and ideals. They are not
worthy to be living in this country.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

"Daniel Payne" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Edward Dolan said:

Daniel, you should talk to some of the returning soldiers who have spent
the past year in Afghanistan and Iraq and you would quickly learn to
hate our enemy. There is nothing degrading about negative emotions, most
especially when they are based on sound reasoning and experience. They
are mostly what makes the world go around. I am sorry that you are not
up to the battle. The rest of us Americans will have to carry on without
you. All that we ask is that you do not stand in our way with treasonous
sentiments, like so many liberals do.

By the way, we are not fighting this war out of a sense of revenge but
to defeat an enemy that is intent on killing us (yes, that means you
too!). We are also fighting this war out of a sense of justice. Take
justice out of the world and we might as well revert to living as
savages back in the Stone Age

A discusion of this nature was not my goal.
I will not participate further in this bad
turn in the topic, and apologize to the rest
of the group that we could not keep this at least tangentially
related to recumbents and riding.
Good day fellow riders, I have some packing
to do. I hope you all enjoy your day.

Daniel Payne
A pacifist in Pa.

Pacifists are more to be hated and excoriated than even liberals!

But here is a guy who is going to memorialize Nick Berg, an American Jew who
was slaughtered by Muslims in Iraq for no reason whatsoever other than the
fact that he was a Jew, and yet he wants to be a pacifist about it all. It
makes no sense to me. I believe in most countries of the world pacifists are
not allowed and would be taken out and stoned to death (except in ever
effeminate Europe of course).

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Mr. Ed said:

...I believe in most countries of the world pacifists are
not allowed and would be taken out and stoned to death...

Sorry Mr. Ed, but smoking cannabis does not kill - the harm level is
comparable to that of somewhat excessive consumption of caffeine
containing beverages.

Wilbur

In article <[email hidden]>,
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A discusion of this nature was not my goal.
I will not participate further in this bad
turn in the topic,

Welcome to Ed Dolan's news group. It has nothing to do with recumbents
in spite of the title.

--
Cletus D. Lee
Bacchetta Giro
Lightning Voyager
http://www.clee.org
- Bellaire, TX USA -

"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Mr. Ed said:

...I believe in most countries of the world pacifists are
not allowed and would be taken out and stoned to death...

Sorry Mr. Ed, but smoking cannabis does not kill - the harm level is
comparable to that of somewhat excessive consumption of caffeine
containing beverages.

Wilbur

I believe at the level of a small simple society (the tribe) there is no man
in the group who would dare to be a pacifist. Mankind existed in these small
simple (tribal) groups for most of its existence on this earth to date. What
a man owes to the tribe is no different than what a man owes to the nation.
Pacifism is an abomination. If you had ever served a day wearing the uniform
of the armed forces of the US you would know these elementary things. Only
wacko liberals work there way over to cowardly pacifism.

What is Wilbur? Is that the name of the town in the Quad City Area where you
reside and pay taxes?

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

"Cletus D. Lee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

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A discusion of this nature was not my goal.
I will not participate further in this bad
turn in the topic,

Welcome to Ed Dolan's news group. It has nothing to do with recumbents
in spite of the title.

I am surprised, no shocked, that Cletus is still with us! He has kill filed
so many of us that there can't be much of interest for him to read here
anymore. I think basically he would just like to talk to himself anyway. He
is the biggest ostrich on the newsgroup, you know that big funny bird with
his head in the sand and his ass in the air.

Maybe, instead of always berating me, he could make a comment or two about
how BROL is so superior to ARBR. From recent reports it appears that all is
not sweetness and light over there either.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

I wish you and your son good journeying, Daniel :-) I think it's an awesome
idea, dedicating it as a memorial and ride for peace.

--
David Luecke
Ridin' a RANS Vivo (wahoo!)
Titusville, Florida USA
http://community.webshots.com/user/david_luecke

Why the hell not?

What would Allah ride?

Edward Dolan said:

...
What is Wilbur? Is that the name of the town in the Quad City Area where you
reside and pay taxes?

Do a Google search on "Mr. Ed".

--
Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

"Zippy the Pinhead" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Why the hell not?

What would Allah ride?

I don't know about Allah, but al Qaeda's preferred ride appears to be a
Toyota 4WD pickup with a full load of jihadist killers any one of whom would
be delighted to dispose of any recumbent cyclists encountered on the
roadway.

We should insist in the strongest language possible that they learn to share
the road.

skip

"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Edward Dolan said:

...
What is Wilbur? Is that the name of the town in the Quad City Area where

you

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reside and pay taxes?

Do a Google search on "Mr. Ed".

--
Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

I never do searches at the instigation of others, most particularly others
whom are regard as my enemies. I also never follow links unless the writer
has properly introduced the link as to what might be expected. You obviously
think everyone in the world knows who or what Wilbur is. Now you know
otherwise.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

"David Luecke" <[email hidden]> wrote
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I wish you and your son good journeying, Daniel :-) I think it's an

awesome

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idea, dedicating it as a memorial and ride for peace.

Yes, yes, let us all blather about peace when there is no peace. We are
presently at war and we need to prosecute this war to the utmost in order to
win it as quickly and as decisively as possible. This means killing Islamic
terrorists in great numbers with extreme prejudice. Only when that has been
accomplished need we get back to foolish things like riding for peace and
other such nonsensical fripperies.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

"David Luecke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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I wish you and your son good journeying, Daniel :-) I think it's an awesome
idea, dedicating it as a memorial and ride for peace.

How's the Vivo working for you? Running stock suspension?

john riley1 at rogers dot com