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  1. Edward Dolan said:

    blah blah...

    The Christian Taliban

    By Stephen Pizzo, AlterNet
    March 28, 2004

    During the Taliban rule of Afghanistan the world got a good look at what
    happens when religious zealots gain control of a government. Television
    images of women being beaten forced to wear burkas and banned from
    schools and the workplace helped build strong public support for the
    President's decision to invade Afghanistan in the wake of 9/11.

    But even as President George W. Bush denounced the brutal Islamic
    fundamentalist regime in Kabul, he was quietly laying the foundations
    for his own fundamentalist regime at home. For the first time far right
    Christian fundamentalists had one of their own in the White House and
    the opportunity to begin rolling back decades of health and family
    planning programs they saw as un-Christian, if not downright sinful.

    Since 2001 dozens of far-right Christian fundamentalists have been
    quietly installed in key positions within the Department of Health and
    Human Services, the Federal Drug Administration and on commissions and
    advisory committees where they have made serious progress. Three years
    later this administration has established one of the most rigid sexual
    health agendas in the Western world.

    It began immediately. One of George W. Bush's first acts as president
    was to issue an executive memorandum reinstating a global abortion "gag
    rule." The rule was first implemented under Ronald Reagan but revoked
    during the two Clinton administrations. The rule prohibited federally
    funded family planning providers from even discussing abortion with
    their clients.

    Bush's order reflected the views of those at farthest reaches of the
    Christian right, zealots who saw any means by which women controlled
    reproduction as unbiblical:

    "I would like to outlaw contraception...contraception is disgusting -
    people using each other for pleasure." -Joseph Scheidler, Pro-Life
    Action League

    "I don't think Christians should use birth control. You consummate your
    marriage as often as you like - and if you have babies, you have
    babies." Randall Terry, Operation Rescue

    Over the next twelve months the administration moved quickly to install
    similarly-minded Christian fundamentalists to positions of authority and
    influence over all matters relating to reproductive and sexual health.

    Dr. Alma Golden: appointed Deputy Assistant Secretary of Population
    Affairs. A Texas pediatrician, she is a longtime proponent of abstinence
    as the only acceptable means of birth control. Dr. Golden declared that
    henceforth the department would stress "abstinence-only" as the solution
    to unwanted pregnancies, not just for teens, but unmarried adults as well.

    Tom Coburn: Former Republican congressman and anti-condom crusader.
    Appointed co-chair of the Presidential Advisory Council on HIV and AIDS.
    While in congress Coburn tried to force condom manufacturers to label
    condoms as "ineffective" against the spread of sexually transmitted
    infections. "I will challenge the national focus on condom use to
    prevent the spread of HIV," Coburn said upon his appointment.

    Dr. Joseph McIlhaney, Jr.: Appointed to Coburn on the HIV and AIDS
    advisory council. McIlhaney has a long and well-documented history of
    disseminating misleading data on condom failure rates. He was appointed
    in spite of the fact that in 1995 Governor George W. Bush's own Texas
    Commissioner of Health openly denounced McIhaney's anti-condom
    propaganda and his professional credibility.

    Dr. W. David Hager: Appointed to the FDA's Reproductive Health Drugs
    Advisory Committee. Dr. Hager served as spokesperson for the Christian
    Medical Association. He authored the book, As Jesus Cared for Women:
    Restoring Women Then and Now, and co-authored a book that recommended
    scripture readings and prayers to relieve the symptoms of PMS. Dr. Hager
    opposes prescribing contraceptives to unmarried women and spearheaded a
    petition drive by the Christian Medical Association to revoke the FDA's
    approval of mifepristone, the so-called "morning after pill."

    Dr. Joseph B. Stanford: Also appointed to the Reproductive Health Drugs
    Advisory Committee. Dr. Stanford is on record for his belief that the
    only acceptable form of contraception, besides abstinence, is the
    all-natural "rhythm method." Dr. Stanford refuses to prescribe
    contraceptives, stating that "(modern) medicine is permeated with
    attitudes toward sexuality and fertility that are incompatible with
    Christian values of the sanctity of life, marriage, and procreation,
    attitudes that both reflect and perpetuate the recreational approach to
    sexuality found in our secular culture."

    Susan A. Crockett: The third Christian fundamentalist appointed to the
    same FDA committee. Crockett served as a board member of the American
    Association of Pro-life Obstetricians and Gynecologists. She
    co-authored, "Using Hormone Contraceptives is a Decision Involving
    Science, Scripture, and Conscience" in the book, The Reproductive
    Revolution: A Christian Appraisal of Sexuality, Reproductive
    Technologies and the Family. The book was edited by Dr. Hager.

    When the hot issue of stem-cell research came up, President Bush
    dismissed two members of his Council on Bioethics who had each strongly
    supported the use of embryonic stem cells in research. They were
    replaced by three new members who, as the pro-life Family Research
    Council reported, "fall more in line with the President's pro-life views."

    Information became a prime target of the Christian Taliban. President
    Bush says he respects "good science," when making public policy. But,
    the crux of the matter apparently hinges on the definition of "good,"
    especially when it comes to family-planning issues. When good science
    clashes with Biblical fundamentalist beliefs in this administration,
    science loses every time.

    Early in 2001 Bush's Christian Taliban began scrubbing federal
    information sources of offending materials. The censorship campaign
    prompted Representative Henry Waxman (D-CA) to send a letter to o HHS
    Secretary Thompson demanding an explanation for the removal of
    information from HHS Web of scientific findings by the National Cancer
    Institute that, contrary to anti-choice propaganda, abortions do not
    increase the risk of breast cancer. Thompson never responded but the
    "cleansing" continued.

    -Scientific data on condom use, long available on government health Web
    sites, was removed and replaced by sermons on abstinence and alarmist
    propaganda that exaggerated the risks of condom use.

    -The phrase "reproductive health" was expunged and replaced with the
    vague terms "related clinical preventive health services" and "related
    preventive health services."

    -Links to non-governmental family planning resources were deleted.

    -Web sites at the Centers of Disease Control and National Institute of
    Health were cleared of scientific studies and materials relating to
    abortion and condom use.

    -At the CDC results from a peer-reviewed study showing that education
    about condom use did not result in increased sexual activity or sex at
    younger age, were deleted from the Web site.

    -The NIH's Web site was cleaned of FAQ's on condom effectiveness and a
    sexuality education curriculum called "Programs that Work."

    Good science was disappearing from government publications and Web sites
    at such a pace that the Union of Concerned Scientists issued a report in
    early 2004 documenting and condemning the Bush administration.

    There is significant evidence that the scope and scale of the
    manipulation, suppression and misrepresentation of science by the Bush
    administration is unprecedented... There is a well-established pattern
    of suppression and distortion of scientific findings by high-ranking
    Bush administration political appointees across numerous federal
    agencies. These actions have consequences for human health, public
    safety, and community well-being." (Union of Concerned Scientists,
    report, Scientific Integrity in Policymaking. 2004.)

    So, even as the Bush administration denounced and battled Islamic
    religious zealotry abroad it was and is nurturing a fundamentalist
    Christian version here at home, much to the delight of radical
    right-wing Christians.

    "Contrary to popular opinion, the Bible is not neutral about what kind
    of government we should have," states Dr. Mark Allen Ludwig, author of
    True Christian Government.

    "God gave governments responsibility only for infrastructure and
    defense," according to an article by Rev. Bob Enyart, pastor of Denver
    Bible Church. "If government limited itself to its two just functions,
    thereby getting out of education, health care, farming, etc., it could
    better defend America. ... Christians who carefully study the Bible are
    best qualified to teach the world how it should be governed."

    One of the oldest and best-established forces in the Christian Taliban
    attack on secular government has been the Christian Coalition. Recently
    the group threw its full weight behind the President's push for a
    constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. The Christian Coalition
    has been conducting a "Let's Take America Back" national petition drive
    over the last several months, which now also includes support for the
    so-called Federal Marriage Amendment. The Christian Coalition mission
    statement states:

    We are driven by the belief that people of faith have a right and a
    responsibility to be involved in the world around them. That involvement
    includes community, social and political action. Whether on a stump, in
    print, over the airways the Christian Coalition is dedicated to
    equipping and educating God's people with the resources and information
    to battle against anti-family legislation.

    What is remarkable is that this was accomplished without significant
    public outcry. The reason is that America's Christian Taliban are more
    public relations savvy than their Islamic counterparts. No American
    women are being forced to cover up, beaten for appearing in public
    wearing make up, or barred from the workplace. The changes being made
    are more subtle and less visibly shocking. They are incremental,
    technical, administrative - but far-reaching.

    They have also gotten away with it because we Americans like to consider
    ourselves tolerant and respectful of religious beliefs. Openly

  2. "bil" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    The Christian Taliban

    By Stephen Pizzo, AlterNet
    March 28, 2004

    bil the troll said:

    blah blah blah squared to the eighth power..................

    Nice try bil, but way the hell too much [censored] for anyone in their right mind
    to read.

    Limit yourself to a paragraph or two next time. You'll get much better
    results.

    Maybe Ed will take the time to read your stuff and reply, but I doubt it.

  3. "skip" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "bil" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:KqHbc.22840$Q45.8977@fed1read02...

    Quoted message said:

    The Christian Taliban

    By Stephen Pizzo, AlterNet
    March 28, 2004

    bil the troll said:

    blah blah blah squared to the eighth power..................

    Nice try bil, but way the hell too much [censored] for anyone in their right


    mind

    Quoted message said:

    to read.

    Limit yourself to a paragraph or two next time. You'll get much better
    results.

    Maybe Ed will take the time to read your stuff and reply, but I doubt it.

    Boy, have you ever got that right skip! I am very much opposed to anyone on
    this newsgroup submitting printed material for our perusal. As a former
    librarian I could flood this forum with printed material from other sources,
    but it would never even occur to me to do such a thing. We should all be
    more or less just talking off the top of our heads and be giving our own
    digested opinions of things. If bil has something he thinks others might
    want to read, he should just submit the link along with his own introduction
    to the material. I will almost never go to the link either though.
    Therefore, it is always best to say in a few paragraphs in your own words
    what ever it is that is on your mind. That way the chances are that I will
    not only read it but I may be moved to honor the writer with a reply. 😉

    Perhaps a short sentence or two from an outside source is OK, but any thing
    more than that shows disrespect and is discourteous to everyone. The fact is
    that in the age of the Internet we could all be doing that sort of thing
    that this character bil does, but that would be the ruination of the
    newsgroup for sure. I am always just giving my own opinions on subjects and
    that is all I ever want to hear from others on this newsgroup also. Sherman
    has got it about right as he will quote other sources for purposes of
    supplying some outside information but he does not over do it. I do not do
    it at all and I will never read any long winded [censored] even if it were
    submitted by God Himself unless I have sought it out on my own.

    --
    Ed Dolan - Minnesota

  4. On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 21:54:31 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I will never read any long winded [censored] even if it were
    submitted by God Himself

    If God posted here, what nym would He use?

    Would He use Sock Puppets?

  5. "Zippy the Pinhead" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 21:54:31 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:


    [...]

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    I will never read any long winded [censored] even if it were
    submitted by God Himself ...

    If God posted here, what name would He use?

    Would He use Sock Puppets?

    I don't know about that, but I can tell you that I am not God Himself. I
    only sit at His right hand side. All liberals of course reside in Hell and
    take their direction from Satan. Even though God may have created the world
    it has always been run by Satan and his minions (liberals). That is why we
    have Islamic nuts running wild all over the world and all the liberals want
    to do is appease them. And that is why I charge liberals with being
    traitors to the West and to civilization itself. The jihadists could do us
    all a favor if they would just kill liberals.

    --
    Regards,

    Ed Dolan - Minnesota

  6. "Zippy the Pinhead" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 21:54:31 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I will never read any long winded [censored] even if it were
    submitted by God Himself

    If God posted here, what nym would He use?

    Would He use Sock Puppets?

    You could count a couple or more here believing they had been chosen as His
    sock puppet.

  7. On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 03:33:12 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    The jihadists could do us
    all a favor if they would just kill liberals.

    That is one of the problems we're having with our national
    consciousness.

    The liberals are equally hopeful that the jihadists will kill only
    conservatives. They suppose that if they're really nice, speak
    liberal speak, wear little pony tails and gold-rimmed glasses, and
    have all the buttons on their car radios set to NPR, that the
    terrorists will spare them.

    In our severely polarized nation today, perhaps the only common ground
    that the Right and the Left have is that Islamists want us ALL dead.
    And we're too busy scrambling for power to acknowledge that. We're
    all scrambling around rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. As
    for the jihadists, they're neither smart enough nor patient enough to
    hang back and let us kill each other. They're dodging a bullet
    because we will never again unite against a common external threat.
    9/11 didn't do it as witness the current "he-said-she-said" burlesque
    playing out in Washington. Richard Clarke neglected only to apologize
    on behalf of Al Quaeda. And if 9/11 couldn't unite a polarized
    America, nothing ever will.

  8. skip said:
    Quoted message said:

    If God posted here, what nym would He use?

    Would He use Sock Puppets?

    You could count a couple or more here believing they had been chosen as His
    sock puppet.

    Do they speak in tongues?

  9. "Zippy the Pinhead" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Zippy you're so right and you express it so well.

    skippy - just another pinhead

  10. "Zippy the Pinhead" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 03:33:12 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    The jihadists could do us
    all a favor if they would just kill liberals.

    That is one of the problems we're having with our national
    consciousness.

    The liberals are equally hopeful that the jihadists will kill only
    conservatives. They suppose that if they're really nice, speak
    liberal speak, wear little pony tails and gold-rimmed glasses, and
    have all the buttons on their car radios set to NPR, that the
    terrorists will spare them.

    In our severely polarized nation today, perhaps the only common ground
    that the Right and the Left have is that Islamists want us ALL dead.
    And we're too busy scrambling for power to acknowledge that. We're
    all scrambling around rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. As
    for the jihadists, they're neither smart enough nor patient enough to
    hang back and let us kill each other. They're dodging a bullet
    because we will never again unite against a common external threat.
    9/11 didn't do it as witness the current "he-said-she-said" burlesque
    playing out in Washington. Richard Clarke neglected only to apologize
    on behalf of Al Quaeda. And if 9/11 couldn't unite a polarized
    America, nothing ever will.

    I think you are quite right in what you say above. I am embarrassed for this
    country. Compare our generation's reaction to the 9/11 attack to the
    reaction of a previous generation to the attack on Pearl Harbor. I blame the
    Dems for not supporting this country in time of war. President Bush is
    making all the right moves but the country seems to be permanently divided.
    The issue will be at least half way decided depending on how the general
    election goes this November. The other thing that could happen of course
    would be an even more severe attack on this country by the jihadists at
    which time the Dems will have to make a decision about which side they are
    on.

    The Dems continue to look to Europe and the UN for guidance with respect to
    the War on Terrorism (of which Iraq is central). This is wrong headed in the
    extreme and is a dead end. Let us hope that the economy improves even more
    than it already has so that the American people can have a clear choice this
    November on the war issue alone.

    --
    Ed Dolan - Minnesota

  11. Edward Dolan said:

    ...
    The Dems continue to look to Europe and the UN for guidance with respect to
    the War on Terrorism (of which Iraq is central). This is wrong headed in the
    extreme and is a dead end. Let us hope that the economy improves even more
    than it already has so that the American people can have a clear choice this
    November on the war issue alone.

    The French are the greatest, as they have invented the monospoke bicycle
    wheel. <http://www.sheldonbrown.com/nanodrive/index.html>.

    --
    Tom Sherman - Quad Cities (Illinois Side)

  12. On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 22:22:00 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    President Bush is making all the right moves but the country seems to be permanently divided.

    The sheep are being taught the new bleat: "Jobs Lost. Kerry good.
    Bush Baaaaaa-aaaa-aaaad!"

    America as you knew it is toast if the bleat takes hold across the
    flock, as it seems to be doing.

  13. Tom Sherman <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    The French are the greatest, as they have invented the monospoke bicycle
    wheel. <http://www.sheldonbrown.com/nanodrive/index.html>.

    When I went shopping for my first upright bike about 30 years ago I
    only looked at French bikes. I ended up with a Gitane although I was
    mightily tempted by Peugeot and Motobecane among half a dozen other
    French bikes.

    Needless to say, I would not now (after the French perfidy in the UN
    respecting the US decision to go to war with Iraq) even consider
    anything French. But no, I need to say it stronger than that. Let me
    put is this way. I would rather be dead than even have to look at
    anything French! France and the French no longer exist for me other
    than that I hope they will soon suffer a Terrorist attack themselves
    even greater than 9/11. What a glorious day that will be!

    --
    Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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