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  1. I have a friend visiting from Germany, and I took him out on his first
    singletrack today. He really liked it & would like to try it at home but
    is unaware of any singletrack in his area (Bodensee). I was googling &
    found your post from last year (http://tinyurl.com/2tfz3) wherein you
    mention that singletrack ist verboten in Baden-Wuertemmberg. Can you
    point me to finding some other options for him in that area? You can
    email me at gab at gorge dot net if you know of anything.

    Vielen Dank,
    gabrielle, off for an evening of Bier trinken!

  2. gabrielle said:

    I have a friend visiting from Germany, and I took him out on his first
    singletrack today. He really liked it & would like to try it at home but
    is unaware of any singletrack in his area (Bodensee). I was googling &
    found your post from last year (http://tinyurl.com/2tfz3) wherein you
    mention that singletrack ist verboten in Baden-Wuertemmberg. Can you
    point me to finding some other options for him in that area? You can
    email me at gab at gorge dot net if you know of anything.

    Vielen Dank,
    gabrielle, off for an evening of Bier trinken!

    In Germany you're only supposed to ride on tracks that are a minimum of 2m
    (6 foot) wide. Given Germany's insistence on rules, failure to comply
    would probably lead to a severe beating down by the Polizei and a 10 year
    stretch in prison.

    Of course, one has to get caught first, but the onus is on the individual
    to find his own tracks - most clubs will not advocate riding on
    singletrack.

    The other alternative, seeing as he is in the Bodensee area, is to nip
    across in to Switzerland.

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    a.m-b FAQ: http://www.j-harris.net/bike/ambfaq.htm

    a.bmx FAQ: http://www.t-online.de/~jharris/bmx_faq.htm

  3. In article <[email hidden]>, myarse247
    @hotmail.com says...

    Quoted message said:

    The other alternative, seeing as he is in the Bodensee area, is to nip
    across in to Switzerland.

    Die Schweiz has the same rules... I emailed someone from the Swiss
    section of IMBA a while ago and was told that "many trails <2m are off
    limits."

    The alternative for "legal" singletrack is to head to Austria, which
    also borders the Bodensee. I've never had any problems there.

    I never take vacations in Baden-Wurtemburg and I encourage anyone to
    seek other locals for their vacation locations if they seek a prime
    mountain bike destination.

    Every time I ride anywhere in Germany, Italy, France or Austria, I
    compare the trails to what I've riden in the US. The percentage of
    singletrack to fire ride is inversly proportional.

    nk

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    I have a friend visiting from Germany, and I took him out on his first
    singletrack today. He really liked it & would like to try it at home but
    is unaware of any singletrack in his area (Bodensee). I was googling &
    found your post from last year (http://tinyurl.com/2tfz3) wherein you
    mention that singletrack ist verboten in Baden-Wuertemmberg. Can you
    point me to finding some other options for him in that area? You can
    email me at gab at gorge dot net if you know of anything.

    Hi Gabrielle,

    If you're friends a biker, he probably's ridden singletrack... The
    problem is that it's pretty scarce here. There's the problems of
    population, laws and farmers. The trails are either for hikers, or they
    are farm roads. There aren't many in-betweens. Add to that the problem
    that hiking trails are normally small sections of foot-path linked by
    long sections of fire road.

    Trying to compare the trails in the US to trials in Germany is
    difficult. There's a major cultural difference. Germans think that the
    reason that there is so much singletrack in the US is that "It's so
    big". That's BS. It's because bikers/hikers build and maintain them.
    They don't do that here. In 10 years of riding in Germany, I've never
    seen a trails day. I've never seen anybody do anything to a trail
    except sanitize or obliterate it. Here, you'll have a road going
    straight up a hill here. In the US, someone will build a singletrack up
    it with switch backs. Here, someone will drive a backhoe up it making
    it wide enough to get an unimog through.

    The number of times I've ridden a fire road and thought "Wow, in the US,
    someone would build a singletrack off the side of this stupid gravel
    road, maybe something that meanders up the hill with switchbacks and
    some technical features - but those clever (insert German, French,
    Italian, Austrian, Swiss), they figured out that it's better to just
    blaze a road instead." Marked mountain bike trails in those countries
    are normally roads. If you find a marked mountain bike trail that is
    smaller than 2 meters, you probably missed a turn somewhere and are on a
    hiking trail.

    So, I poach. I poach often. Heck, I probably poach ever time I ride.
    If I'm ever stopped, I tell people that the trails larger than two
    meters, then ride on. Sometime in the past, it probably was (20-30-100
    years ago). I never argue with Germans on this as they're always right.
    Again, a cultural diffence that isn't improved by the fact that I'm a
    foreigner.

    I've never ridden down by the Bodensee so I really can't help. I could
    probably help your friend find some trails up here by HD though...

    email address is nota_knob at t-online dot de.

    nk

  5. notaknob said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, myarse247
    @hotmail.com says...

    Quoted message said:

    The other alternative, seeing as he is in the Bodensee area, is to nip
    across in to Switzerland.

    Die Schweiz has the same rules... I emailed someone from the Swiss
    section of IMBA a while ago and was told that "many trails <2m are off
    limits."

    <snip>

    Thanks, both of ya. I'll pass this along. 🙂

    gabrielle

  6. In article <[email hidden]>,=20
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    <snip>
    =20
    Thanks, both of ya. I'll pass this along. 🙂
    =20
    =20

    Another source he can find for his area is the MTB-News website at=20
    http://www.mtb-news.de/forum/. There's a forum at http://www.mtb-
    news.de/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=3D11 called "Reisen, Routen und Reviere"=
    =20
    with a thread for "Der sch=F6nste singletrail" with quite a few lists of=20
    singletrack rides. I'm hoping to try a few of them myself.

    Many are in Austria or Italy (sud-tyrol/Garda area). Many of them are=20
    actually fire roads that they believe are singletrack, if you are=20
    defining singletrack using the Fruita scale. If a quad or unimog drives=20
    it, it ain't singletrack. Yes, I'm cynical. Rodalben is the exception=20
    that I've ridden. Mainly singletrack, probably because the Pfalz has a=20
    different attitude towards biking than other states.

    Bruce

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