Tyres

Doki said:

I've currently got Kenda Crosscountry tyres, which are what Giant
stuck on the bike when they made it AFAIK. These tyres are steel
beaded and whenever I go anywhere vaguely muddy they clog very
quickly, and the mud doesn't come back out of the tread until I've
been riding home on the road for a few miles.

The steel beads have nothing to do with their packing w/mud. Purely a tread
pattern matter, IMO.

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Any ideas on a decent tyre that's reasonably light (kevlar bead?),
and will give me good grip in muddy conditions (seem to be the only
kind you get in Derbyshire :P).

I'll let the bloody mudders offer suggestions; I've had good luck with
Panaracer Fire XC Pros and IRC Mythos (both fairly light, but not sure of
mud-shedding characteristics since it's mostly dry here in LoSoCal)...

Bill "Oki Doki?" S.

S o r n i said:

Doki said:

I've currently got Kenda Crosscountry tyres, which are what Giant
stuck on the bike when they made it AFAIK. These tyres are steel
beaded and whenever I go anywhere vaguely muddy they clog very
quickly, and the mud doesn't come back out of the tread until I've
been riding home on the road for a few miles.

The steel beads have nothing to do with their packing w/mud. Purely
a tread pattern matter, IMO.

Yep, but steel beads = heavier than kevlar, yes?

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Quoted message said:

Any ideas on a decent tyre that's reasonably light (kevlar bead?),
and will give me good grip in muddy conditions (seem to be the only
kind you get in Derbyshire :P).

I'll let the bloody mudders offer suggestions; I've had good luck with
Panaracer Fire XC Pros and IRC Mythos (both fairly light, but not
sure of mud-shedding characteristics since it's mostly dry here in
LoSoCal)...

Bill "Oki Doki?" S.

Doki said:

S o r n i said:

Doki said:

I've currently got Kenda Crosscountry tyres, which are what Giant
stuck on the bike when they made it AFAIK. These tyres are steel
beaded and whenever I go anywhere vaguely muddy they clog very
quickly, and the mud doesn't come back out of the tread until I've
been riding home on the road for a few miles.

The steel beads have nothing to do with their packing w/mud. Purely
a tread pattern matter, IMO.

Yep, but steel beads = heavier than kevlar, yes?

Yes. I'm not familiar with your Kendas, but generally speaking Kevlar beads
are a good deal lighter than steel (though I'm sure there are SOME
steel-bead tires that are lighter than SOME Kevlar-beeded ones)...

Bill "K easier to install, too" S.

Doki said:

Any ideas on a decent tyre that's reasonably light (kevlar bead?), and will
give me good grip in muddy conditions (seem to be the only kind you get in
Derbyshire :P).

The problem is that tyres that are specifically designed for mud tend to
suck at every other discipline. Taking a tarmac corner on mud tyres is
something that will scare the pants off you. Have a look for a general
tyre with wider spacing between the knobbies. Conti Vert or Survival pros
might be good, or the Panaracer Trailrakers, which were designed with UK
conditions in mind.

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Doki said:

S o r n i said:

Doki said:

I've currently got Kenda Crosscountry tyres, which are what Giant
stuck on the bike when they made it AFAIK. These tyres are steel
beaded and whenever I go anywhere vaguely muddy they clog very
quickly, and the mud doesn't come back out of the tread until I've
been riding home on the road for a few miles.

The steel beads have nothing to do with their packing w/mud. Purely
a tread pattern matter, IMO.

Yep, but steel beads = heavier than kevlar, yes?

Kevlar bead plus copious mud on bike = heavy bike anyway. Kevlar won't hurt
but if it's purely weight savings you're after it's probably not as big an
issue as you might think.

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Any ideas on a decent tyre that's reasonably light (kevlar bead?),
and will give me good grip in muddy conditions (seem to be the only
kind you get in Derbyshire :P).

I'll let the bloody mudders offer suggestions; I've had good luck
with Panaracer Fire XC Pros and IRC Mythos (both fairly light, but
not sure of mud-shedding characteristics since it's mostly dry here
in LoSoCal)...

Bill "Oki Doki?" S.

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Westie said:

Doki said:

S o r n i said:

Doki wrote:
> I've currently got Kenda Crosscountry tyres, which are what Giant
> stuck on the bike when they made it AFAIK. These tyres are steel
> beaded and whenever I go anywhere vaguely muddy they clog very
> quickly, and the mud doesn't come back out of the tread until I've
> been riding home on the road for a few miles.

The steel beads have nothing to do with their packing w/mud. Purely
a tread pattern matter, IMO.

Yep, but steel beads = heavier than kevlar, yes?

Kevlar bead plus copious mud on bike = heavy bike anyway. Kevlar
won't hurt but if it's purely weight savings you're after it's
probably not as big an issue as you might think.

The fact that the tyre's on the outside of the wheel and you've got to make
it spin round means that mass makes a big difference. Particularly the
difference between a heavy tyre that's covered in mud and light tyre that's
shedding the mud.

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Doki said:

Any ideas on a decent tyre that's reasonably light (kevlar bead?), and

will

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give me good grip in muddy conditions (seem to be the only kind you get

in

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Derbyshire :P).

The problem is that tyres that are specifically designed for mud tend to
suck at every other discipline. Taking a tarmac corner on mud tyres is
something that will scare the pants off you. Have a look for a general
tyre with wider spacing between the knobbies. Conti Vert or Survival pros
might be good, or the Panaracer Trailrakers, which were designed with UK
conditions in mind.

IRC Seracs have been good to me.

Doki said:

Westie said:

Doki said:

S o r n i wrote:
> Doki wrote:
>> I've currently got Kenda Crosscountry tyres, which are what Giant
>> stuck on the bike when they made it AFAIK. These tyres are steel
>> beaded and whenever I go anywhere vaguely muddy they clog very
>> quickly, and the mud doesn't come back out of the tread until I've
>> been riding home on the road for a few miles.
>
> The steel beads have nothing to do with their packing w/mud.
> Purely a tread pattern matter, IMO.

Yep, but steel beads = heavier than kevlar, yes?

Kevlar bead plus copious mud on bike = heavy bike anyway. Kevlar
won't hurt but if it's purely weight savings you're after it's
probably not as big an issue as you might think.

The fact that the tyre's on the outside of the wheel and you've got
to make it spin round means that mass makes a big difference.
Particularly the difference between a heavy tyre that's covered in
mud and light tyre that's shedding the mud.

Yes, rotating mass does make a difference. And Yes, a mud-shedding tread
will be even better. And a tyre that has more traction AND sheds mud AND
has a kevlar bead will be just about damn perfect. What I'm saying is that
it will be the mud that makes the major difference. Not the bead weight or
the rotating mass.
It seemed from what you were saying originally that you are placing an
unreasonable significance on the weight of the bead alone. IMO, one of the
last factors to be considered in improving mud performance is the bead
weight.
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Westie said:

Yes, rotating mass does make a difference. And Yes, a mud-shedding
tread will be even better. And a tyre that has more traction AND
sheds mud AND has a kevlar bead will be just about damn perfect. What
I'm saying is that it will be the mud that makes the major
difference. Not the bead weight or the rotating mass.
It seemed from what you were saying originally that you are placing an
unreasonable significance on the weight of the bead alone. IMO, one
of the last factors to be considered in improving mud performance is
the bead weight.

I agree. But a lighter tyre is A Good Thing IMO. It's also a pretty easy way
to drop a pound or two off the bike.

Unless you keep tearing up sidewalls on the rocks we have out west.
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Westie said:

Yes, rotating mass does make a difference. And Yes, a mud-shedding
tread will be even better. And a tyre that has more traction AND
sheds mud AND has a kevlar bead will be just about damn perfect. What
I'm saying is that it will be the mud that makes the major
difference. Not the bead weight or the rotating mass.
It seemed from what you were saying originally that you are placing an
unreasonable significance on the weight of the bead alone. IMO, one
of the last factors to be considered in improving mud performance is
the bead weight.

I agree. But a lighter tyre is A Good Thing IMO. It's also a pretty easy

way

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to drop a pound or two off the bike.

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Yes. I'm not familiar with your Kendas, but generally speaking
Kevlar beads are a good deal lighter than steel (though I'm sure
there are SOME steel-bead tires that are lighter than SOME
Kevlar-beeded ones)...

Tens of grams. Nothing you would ever be able to tell the difference about.

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