Disc brake questions.

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Firstly, are all the mountings and fixings for disc brakes similar/same?
And what are the best and cheapest hydraulic disc brakes?

The only negative I've heard about Avid mechs is that if the pigtail on the
cable is too long it can jam the brake and cause a crash.

I have the Avids on one bike and Hope C2s on another. The Hopes really are
better for a front brake - but they cost a lot more and the Avids are still
pretty good. Good enough that I think I'm going to switch to an Avid on the
rear of each bike to take advantage of Avid's super-easy caliper alignment
system when swapping wheels.
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PeteCresswell

On 4/4/04 3:21 AM, in article [email hidden],

Tetsuo Shima said:

Firstly, are all the mountings and fixings for disc brakes similar/same?
And what are the best and cheapest hydraulic disc brakes?

I don't think the best and cheapest come in the same box

mtbchip said:

On 4/4/04 3:21 AM, in article
[email hidden], "Tetsuo Shima"

Quoted message said:

Firstly, are all the mountings and fixings for disc brakes
similar/same? And what are the best and cheapest hydraulic disc
brakes?

I don't think the best and cheapest come in the same box

That's for sure. I do have several buddies though that are riding Deore
hydraulics and are really happy with them. I think that could pretty close
to the best value brakes today.

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Perre

You have to be smarter than a robot to reply.

"(Pete Cresswell)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

RE/

Quoted message said:

Firstly, are all the mountings and fixings for disc brakes similar/same?
And what are the best and cheapest hydraulic disc brakes?

The only negative I've heard about Avid mechs is that if the pigtail on

the

Quoted message said:

cable is too long it can jam the brake and cause a crash.

I have the Avids on one bike and Hope C2s on another. The Hopes really

are

Quoted message said:

better for a front brake - but they cost a lot more and the Avids are

still

Quoted message said:

pretty good. Good enough that I think I'm going to switch to an Avid on

the

Quoted message said:

rear of each bike to take advantage of Avid's super-easy caliper alignment
system when swapping wheels.
--
PeteCresswell

I've got a pair of Tektros and i've noticed that the same would happen also
if the cable got in the way, (it was cured by slightly bending the cable out
the way of the disc.)

"mtbchip" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On 4/4/04 3:21 AM, in article

[email hidden],

Quoted message said:

Tetsuo Shima said:

Firstly, are all the mountings and fixings for disc brakes similar/same?
And what are the best and cheapest hydraulic disc brakes?

I don't think the best and cheapest come in the same box

Ok then, the best budget hydraulic disc brake. 😉

"Per Elmsäter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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mtbchip said:

On 4/4/04 3:21 AM, in article
[email hidden], "Tetsuo Shima"

Quoted message said:

Firstly, are all the mountings and fixings for disc brakes
similar/same? And what are the best and cheapest hydraulic disc
brakes?

I don't think the best and cheapest come in the same box

That's for sure. I do have several buddies though that are riding Deore
hydraulics and are really happy with them. I think that could pretty close
to the best value brakes today.

--
Perre

You have to be smarter than a robot to reply.

Ta. 🙂

Tetsuo Shima said:

"mtbchip" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

On 4/4/04 3:21 AM, in article

[email hidden],

Quoted message said:

Tetsuo Shima said:

Firstly, are all the mountings and fixings for disc brakes similar/same?
And what are the best and cheapest hydraulic disc brakes?

I don't think the best and cheapest come in the same box

Ok then, the best budget hydraulic disc brake. 😉

I had some ProMax hydraulics on my DS bike, and I loved them. They had
great power, good feel, and were really pretty cheap. Surprisingly good
brakes.

miles

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I had some ProMax hydraulics on my DS bike,

miles

DS bike?
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Slacker

Slacker said:

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I had some ProMax hydraulics on my DS bike,

miles

DS bike?

Dumb [censored].

Bill "cranks had a low (i)Q factor" S.

"(Pete Cresswell)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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RE/

Quoted message said:

Firstly, are all the mountings and fixings for disc brakes similar/same?
And what are the best and cheapest hydraulic disc brakes?

The only negative I've heard about Avid mechs is that if the pigtail on the
cable is too long it can jam the brake and cause a crash.

I have the Avids on one bike and Hope C2s on another. The Hopes really are
better for a front brake - but they cost a lot more and the Avids are still
pretty good. Good enough that I think I'm going to switch to an Avid on the
rear of each bike to take advantage of Avid's super-easy caliper alignment
system when swapping wheels.

That's really the great part about Avids. Set-up is so easy - so much
easier than Vs, and they are just plain inexpensive. Replacement
parts are easy to come by, and everybody and their dog sells them on
eBay.

The pigtail issue really isn't one if you follow the directions. 20mm
max (IIRC) from the fixing bolt; I run mine at 15mm. I like Hayes
hydraulics, but some folks have troubles with them. I never did, but
maybe I'm lucky. Avids are fantastic for the money, and damn near
idiot-proof.
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Jonesy

Slacker said:

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I had some ProMax hydraulics on my DS bike,
miles

DS bike?
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Slacker

Yup. It's gone now, but maybe I'll get another in the future. It was
kinda fun

Miles

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Avids are fantastic for the money, and damn near

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idiot-proof.

Heheheh, good job they are, eh Jonesy?

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',;~}~

Shaun aRe

http://www.mtbr.com/

Go to the above site and check out the product reviews. Anyone can
write a review and amazingly the site works really well. I used it to
check out disc brakes before I bought some and am glad I did. Of
course there are a few reviews that are written by people that have a
vested interest in the product they review, but you can usually spot
them and they get overwhelmed by real reviews anyway.

Mikey says "try it you'll like it"

Tetsuo Shima said:

Firstly, are all the mountings and fixings for disc brakes similar/same?
And what are the best and cheapest hydraulic disc brakes?

Notice everyone likes the disc brake they have best. Of course they
have only tried one or two and have learned to live with the one they
have. Never settle on advice from a person that is only familiar with
one product.

Tetsuo Shima said:

Firstly, are all the mountings and fixings for disc brakes similar/same?
And what are the best and cheapest hydraulic disc brakes?

"Tetsuo Shima" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:c4onje$2j8g1a$1@ID-
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Firstly, are all the mountings and fixings for disc brakes similar/same?
And what are the best and cheapest hydraulic disc brakes?

I have had Shimanos, both the 556 Deores and the first XT 4 cylinder
brakes. Work well but I have to constantly f%&^ around with them to stop
them rubbing. I don't think the rubbing affects performance but the sound
drives me insane on long, smooth descents.

I shim, re-centre the pistons, use the coke can trick, pray to Allah and
things are good for a ride or two, then the god damned dragging starts
again and my language deteriorates. God help me if I remove a wheel and
put it back on. That invaraibly seems to cause the rubbing noise, even if
I screw around with the tension on the QR lever.

It has me mystified. Any ideas?

But to answer the original question, my Shimanos work well and are
consistent. Discs are definitely the way to go on Canada's west coast.
And if I ride with a walkman, earplugs, or my wife complaining, I don't
notice the brake noise.

My buddy has Hayes hydraulics and has similar complaints, but he's not as
finnicky as me so it doesn't bother him. I just hate funny noises.

BTW if you get the Shimanos and the noise does bother you, you can borrow
my wife for 1 million dollars. OK, how about 10 dollars? OK, just the
cost of shipping....

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I shim, re-centre the pistons, use the coke can trick, pray to Allah
and things are good for a ride or two, then the god damned dragging
starts again and my language deteriorates. God help me if I remove a
wheel and put it back on.

You sound like me, as I suspect your brakes sound like mine. Is the coke
can trick similar to the playing card trick? I have to remove my front
wheel to get my bike in my truck, so I fiddle with my front brake
constantly too (Shimano Deore 525). They seem to get less finicky as the
pads wear down for some reason.

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Neil <[email hidden]> wrote in
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I shim, re-centre the pistons, use the coke can trick, pray to Allah
and things are good for a ride or two, then the god damned dragging
starts again and my language deteriorates. God help me if I remove a
wheel and put it back on.

You sound like me, as I suspect your brakes sound like mine. Is the
coke can trick similar to the playing card trick? I have to remove my
front wheel to get my bike in my truck, so I fiddle with my front
brake constantly too (Shimano Deore 525). They seem to get less
finicky as the pads wear down for some reason.

Yes, I think the coke can trick is the same as the card trick. It's all
witch craft. Even when the LBS fixes the brakes, they end up the same way
after a few rides. You interested in the wife? She's glaring at me right
now..... Maybe I need to face my brake mounts? None of the LBSs in my
town seem to own the tools to do this though.

Neil <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Yes, I think the coke can trick is the same as the card trick. It's
all witch craft. Even when the LBS fixes the brakes, they end up the
same way after a few rides. You interested in the wife? She's glaring
at me right now..... Maybe I need to face my brake mounts? None of
the LBSs in my town seem to own the tools to do this though.

I really think the problem is that the calipers simply do not consitantly
return to the same spot when the lever is released. I've often done the
pad centering thing...loosening the caliper mounting screws, squeezing the
brake, then retighting the screws. That should center the calipers on the
rotor and allow both pads to move clear evenly when the lever is released.
Usually that adjustment will work, but often it doesn't, and it seems like
one pad stubbornly refuses to move far enough away from the rotor.

The brakes do seem to work just fine in their actual purpose, though.

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I really think the problem is that the calipers simply do not
consitantly return to the same spot when the lever is released.

Sorry, I meant the pistons, not calipers.