MTB Impact Report

Pippen said:

This should get Mikey's panties in a wad...

http://www.imba.com/resources/science/impact_summary.html

But...but...Mike's gone out and taken unclear pictures with his Brownie!
These so-called scientific studies don't begin to compare.

Bill "if horses and ORV's are allowed, bikes should be cheered" S.

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Quoted message said:

This should get Mikey's panties in a wad...

http://www.imba.com/resources/science/impact_summary.html

Naaa

<Mikey1>
"By Gary Sprung, International Mountain Bicycling Association"

Of COURSE this 'study' is flawed. Look who wrote it!
</Mikey>

or

<Mikey2>
See. Mountain bikers DO cause damage. You guys finally admit it. Just
because other types of human travel in wilderness areas cause damage is no
reason not to ban bikes!
</Mikey2>

Pete
which will it be, Mikey?

Pippen said:

This should get Mikey's panties in a wad...

http://www.imba.com/resources/science/impact_summary.html

He's had no trouble ignoring the studies themselves, he'll have no problem
ignoring the summary.

--
-BB-
To reply to me, drop the attitude (from my e-mail address, at least)

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Quoted message said:

This should get Mikey's panties in a wad...

http://www.imba.com/resources/science/impact_summary.html

-p

It's biased anyway. I wish you guys would just kill file the [censored]. All
the frickin post that respond to him just feeds him. We all know he's a
loose cannon.

Well, since the study was sponsored by IMBA and conducted by somebody
affiliated with IMBA, Mikey will clearly state that they cannot possibly be
objecting and clearly lied in conducting their research. After all, all
mountain bikers, including international ones are known liars right?

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This should get Mikey's panties in a wad...

http://www.imba.com/resources/science/impact_summary.html

-p

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This should get Mikey's panties in a wad...

http://www.imba.com/resources/science/impact_summary.html

-p

It's biased anyway. I wish you guys would just kill file the [censored]. All
the frickin post that respond to him just feeds him. We all know he's a
loose cannon.

Pah - loose [censored] pea shooter, more like.

Shaun aRe

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Quoted message said:

This should get Mikey's panties in a wad...

http://www.imba.com/resources/science/impact_summary.html

Naaa

<Mikey1>
"By Gary Sprung, International Mountain Bicycling Association"

Of COURSE this 'study' is flawed. Look who wrote it!
</Mikey>

or

<Mikey2>
See. Mountain bikers DO cause damage. You guys finally admit it. Just
because other types of human travel in wilderness areas cause damage is no
reason not to ban bikes!
</Mikey2>

Pete
which will it be, Mikey?

How decidedly accurate.

Shaun aRe - Don't waste your time, folks.

Pippen said:

This should get Mikey's panties in a wad...

http://www.imba.com/resources/science/impact_summary.html

-p

Good to see we are supporting the Grizzly Bear population...<g>

(Note to self: Install baseball cards in spokes in bear country.)

Michael Paul said:

"Pippen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

This should get Mikey's panties in a wad...

http://www.imba.com/resources/science/impact_summary.html

-p

Well, since the study was sponsored by IMBA and conducted by somebody
affiliated with IMBA, Mikey will clearly state that they cannot
possibly be objecting and clearly lied in conducting their research.
After all, all mountain bikers, including international ones are
known liars right?

Funny thing is, the author of that article is a pretty well-known guy around
these parts. He's headed up a very active and vocal anti-development,
anti-ski area group called HCCA (High Country Citizen's Alliance). They're
generally regarded as fringe kooks by "regular" (people who work for a
living instead of having trust funds) folks.
I guess it's all a matter of perspective.

Matt (got lots of anecdotal evidence that horses and motorcycles are way
worse than bikes - duh!)

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This should get Mikey's panties in a wad...

http://www.imba.com/resources/science/impact_summary.html

Naaa

<Mikey1>
"By Gary Sprung, International Mountain Bicycling Association"

Of COURSE this 'study' is flawed. Look who wrote it!
</Mikey>

or

<Mikey2>
See. Mountain bikers DO cause damage. You guys finally admit it. Just
because other types of human travel in wilderness areas cause damage is

no

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reason not to ban bikes!
</Mikey2>

Pete
which will it be, Mikey?

How decidedly accurate.

Well...it was jut too easy. And I had one concept wrong. Should have used
'and' instead of 'or'.

news:[email hidden]
1 APR 2004 11:54 (12 hours after mine)
"...As far as I know, every one of these "studies" was done by
(surprize, surprize) a mountain biker. Besides, they are irrelevant, because
the
harm done by mountain biking is not related to the harm done by other
activities, such as hiking. The damage is the same, regardless of what
hikers or
anyone else is doing!"

Pete

On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 04:33:07 GMT, "Pippen" <[email hidden]> wrote:

..This should get Mikey's panties in a wad...
..
..http://www.imba.com/resources/science/impact_summary.html

Don't make me laugh. Anyone who bothers to read these "studies" will find that
they actually prove the OPPOSITE of what they CLAIM to prove! They actually
examine only damage PER MILE. Since mountain bikers typically travel several
times as far as hikers (try HIKING 25-50 miles in a day!), it follows FROM THEIR
OWN RESEARCH that mountain bikers have several times the impact of hikers. They
also don't test mountain biking under normal conditions: they simply roll
passively down a gently sloping hill -- no acceleration, no turns, no braking,
all of which would apply shear (horizontal) forces to the ground. In addition,
almost all studies ignore impacts on wildlife. As far as I know, every one of
these "studies" was done by (surprize, surprize) a mountain biker. Besides, they
are irrelevant, because the harm done by mountain biking is not related to the
harm done by other activities, such as hiking. The damage is the same,
regardless of what hikers or anyone else is doing!

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 06:57:01 GMT, "Michael Paul" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

..Well, since the study was sponsored by IMBA and conducted by somebody
..affiliated with IMBA, Mikey will clearly state that they cannot possibly be
..objecting and clearly lied in conducting their research. After all, all
..mountain bikers, including international ones are known liars right?

That all goes without saying.

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..> This should get Mikey's panties in a wad...
..>
..> http://www.imba.com/resources/science/impact_summary.html
..>
..> -p
..>
..>
..

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

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On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 04:33:07 GMT, "Pippen" <[email hidden]> wrote:

.This should get Mikey's panties in a wad...
.
.http://www.imba.com/resources/science/impact_summary.html

Don't make me laugh. Anyone who bothers to read these "studies" will find

that

Quoted message said:

they actually prove the OPPOSITE of what they CLAIM to prove! They

actually

Quoted message said:

examine only damage PER MILE. Since mountain bikers typically travel

several

Quoted message said:

times as far as hikers (try HIKING 25-50 miles in a day!), it follows FROM

THEIR

Quoted message said:

OWN RESEARCH that mountain bikers have several times the impact of hikers.

They

Quoted message said:

also don't test mountain biking under normal conditions: they simply roll
passively down a gently sloping hill -- no acceleration, no turns, no

braking,

Quoted message said:

all of which would apply shear (horizontal) forces to the ground. In

addition,

Quoted message said:

almost all studies ignore impacts on wildlife. As far as I know, every one

of

Quoted message said:

these "studies" was done by (surprize, surprize) a mountain biker.

Besides, they

Quoted message said:

are irrelevant, because the harm done by mountain biking is not related to

the

Quoted message said:

harm done by other activities, such as hiking. The damage is the same,
regardless of what hikers or anyone else is doing!

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mission accomplished...

-p