Variable quality Shimano

MartinM said:

Just got a 7 spd HG70 cassette in the post today, all
bolted together no nasty rivets, in a box, with
destructions as well. Curiouser and curiouser, unless it
is very old stock. Has anyone bought a bolt together
cassette recently?

Yes, two of them. Both 9-speed. I don't know what the deal
is; I got one riveted one by accident a while back - it
was a lightweight one - but all the others have been
bolted. Odd.

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Originally posted by Martinm
Just got a 7 spd HG70 cassette in the post today, all bolted
together no nasty rivets, in a box, with destructions as
well. Curiouser and curiouser, unless it is very old stock.
Has anyone bought a bolt together cassette recently?

I got a 105 bolted together 9 speed one a few months ago, I also got a LX one which was rivetted, not anymore though.

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Just got a 7 spd HG70 cassette in the post today, all
bolted together no nasty rivets, in a box, with
destructions as well. Curiouser and curiouser, unless it
is very old stock. Has anyone bought a bolt together
cassette recently?

Got a 7 speed HG70 a few months ago (maybe 6) from EBC.
Nicely bolted thankyou. I think I've missed a thread here -
should I expect new stock to be rivetted?

tony R.

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Just got a 7 spd HG70 cassette in the post today, all
bolted together no nasty rivets, in a box, with
destructions as well. Curiouser and curiouser, unless it
is very old stock. Has anyone bought a bolt together
cassette recently?

Got a 7 speed HG70 a few months ago (maybe 6) from EBC.
Nicely bolted thankyou. I think I've missed a thread here
- should I expect new stock to be rivetted?

Yes the thread started ealier in the year, it seems that
some suppliers are selling genuine upper range Shimano
stuff, but not in proper packaging and riveted rather than
bolted, and it's not just that Shimano have stopped doing
the proper bolted stuff; so look out for supposed mail order
bargain kit (even though mine was the cheapest on the web) A
similar thing happens with model train sets, the locomotives
and coaches in the sets are generally moulded rather than
painted plastic and plastic rather than steel wheels to keep
costs down.

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Yes the thread started ealier in the year, it seems that
some suppliers are selling genuine upper range Shimano
stuff, but not in proper packaging and riveted rather than
bolted, and it's not just that Shimano have stopped doing
the proper bolted stuff; so look out for supposed mail
order bargain kit (even though mine was the cheapest on
the web) A similar thing happens with model train sets,
the locomotives and coaches in the sets are generally
moulded rather than painted plastic and plastic rather
than steel wheels to keep costs down.

Wiggle claim all Shimano gear is genuine and not grey
imports. Has anyone recieved rivetted stuff from them?

Jon

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I think I've missed a thread here I'm afraid I'm still in
stone age google/groups/cycling so when I add to an old
thread it pulls the old one up, haven't fathomed
configuring OE to a newsreader yet, I got as far as _enter
the NNTP server address_ which I don't know ;-~

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I think I've missed a thread here I'm afraid I'm still in
stone age google/groups/cycling so when I add to an old
thread it pulls the old one up, haven't fathomed
configuring OE to a newsreader yet, I got as far as
_enter the NNTP server address_ which I don't know ;-~

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Just got a 7 spd HG70 cassette in the post today, all
bolted together no nasty rivets, in a box, with
destructions as well. Curiouser and curiouser, unless
it is very old stock. Has anyone bought a bolt
together cassette recently?

Got a 7 speed HG70 a few months ago (maybe 6) from EBC.
Nicely bolted thankyou. I think I've missed a thread
here - should I expect new stock

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be rivetted?

Yes the thread started ealier in the year, it seems that
some suppliers are selling genuine upper range Shimano
stuff, but not in proper packaging and riveted rather than
bolted, and it's not just that Shimano have stopped doing
the proper bolted stuff; so look out for supposed mail
order bargain kit (even though mine was the cheapest on
the web)

Right. So we're saying here that Shimano are making two
versions of the same model of stuff and then retailers are
selling whichever version they've got without
differentiating at all between the two. Is that right? If so
it should be pretty easy for urc to build up a list of which
retailers are selling which stuff. I can say that (a few
months ago at least) Edinburgh Bike Co-op were selling the
proper stuff. And I have, this very day, ordered two
cassettes from Settle Cycles - so, in a while (!), I'll be
able to tell you what they're selling.

tony R.

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> Just got a 7 spd HG70 cassette in the post today,
> all bolted together no nasty rivets, in a box, with
> destructions as well. Curiouser and curiouser,
> unless it is very old stock. Has anyone bought a
> bolt together cassette recently?

Got a 7 speed HG70 a few months ago (maybe 6) from
EBC. Nicely bolted thankyou. I think I've missed a
thread here - should I expect new stock

to

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be rivetted?

Yes the thread started ealier in the year, it seems that
some suppliers are selling genuine upper range Shimano
stuff, but not in proper packaging and riveted rather
than bolted, and it's not just that Shimano have stopped
doing the proper bolted stuff; so look out for supposed
mail order bargain kit (even though mine was the
cheapest on the web)

Right. So we're saying here that Shimano are making two
versions of the same model of stuff and then retailers are
selling whichever version they've got without
differentiating at all between the two. Is that right? If
so it should be pretty easy for urc to build up a list of
which retailers are selling which stuff. I can say that (a
few months ago at least) Edinburgh Bike Co-op were selling
the proper stuff. And I have, this very day, ordered two
cassettes from Settle Cycles - so, in a while (!), I'll be
able to tell you what they're selling.

I got my 7 speed bolted from Settle, the one that was
riveted and in a poxy plastic bag was a HG70 12-21 8 speed
(Ribble I think)

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I got my 7 speed bolted from Settle, the one that was
riveted and in a poxy plastic bag was a HG70 12-21 8 speed
(Ribble I think)

The HG50 12-21 8 speed I got from settle last year and from
expedia a couple of years back were all bolted. The bolts
were the 2mm allen key ones, so may have looked like rivets
- is anybody making this mistake?

cheers, clive

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I got my 7 speed bolted from Settle, the one that was
riveted and in a poxy plastic bag was a HG70 12-21 8
speed (Ribble I think)

The HG50 12-21 8 speed I got from settle last year and
from expedia a couple of years back were all bolted. The
bolts were the 2mm allen key ones, so may have looked like
rivets - is anybody making this mistake?

No they were rivets, and on a HG70 to boot, bad karmagram on
it's way to Preston!

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I think I've missed a thread here I'm afraid I'm still
in stone age google/groups/cycling so when I add to an
old thread it pulls the old one up, haven't fathomed
configuring OE to a newsreader yet, I got as far as
_enter the NNTP server address_ which I don't know ;-~

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I think I've missed a thread here I'm afraid I'm still
in stone age google/groups/cycling so when I add to an
old thread it pulls the old one up, haven't fathomed
configuring OE to a newsreader yet, I got as far as
_enter the NNTP server address_ which I don't know ;-~

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