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  1. My vision is fine beyond about 5 feet, but I need reading
    glasses for anything closer. It's classic old fart
    presbyopia, a little worse than average because I started
    out farsighted. I use half-frame reading glasses, but I
    don't want to wear them on my bike. I'd rather use normal
    sunglasses, and I'd like to avoid having to buy expensive
    bifocal sunglasses.

    My current (10 year old) Cateye has a very small, somewhat
    low contrast display, and it's getting to the point where
    it's very tough to read through my fuzzy closeup vision. So
    I'm looking for a replacement. I know it's always going to
    be blurry with my eyesight being what it is these days, but
    there has to be something that's a little easier to read
    through the blur.

    Which current brand and model has the biggest, clearest
    numbers in the display? I saw someone mention the Planetbike
    Protege series in another thread. It looks good in the web
    site photos but I haven't seen it in person, and I can't
    tell if the numbers are actually bigger, or they're just
    using the display area to show more information. Maybe there
    is something else that doesn't have a huge display area, but
    has very large numbers? It's hard to tell from looking at
    web site photos of all the different brands, and my LBS only
    carries a few of them.

    Also, display issues aside... what do y'all think about
    alternative mounting locations to put the cyclometer in my
    range of focus? I've thought about mounting it down on the
    front fork, but that's probably a damage- prone location.
    Another idea might be to put fenders on the bike (I've been
    thinking about doing that anyway), and then sticking the
    computer on top of the front fender.... assuming I could see
    it past the handlebars. That would be a more protected
    location, compared to the fork. Has anyone here tried
    something like this?

    Yet another goofy idea would be to get clip-on aero bars
    (which I really don't need, and would look a little silly on
    this bike), just to have a place to stick the computer out
    where I could read it.

    --
    Mike Barrs

  2. foldedpath said:

    My vision is fine beyond about 5 feet, but I need reading
    glasses for anything closer. It's classic old fart
    presbyopia, a little worse than average because I started
    out farsighted.

    Sounds too familiar. I'm getting close to this.

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:

    Also, display issues aside... what do y'all think about
    alternative mounting locations to put the cyclometer in my
    range of focus?

    There's not much in the way of choices, but there may be a
    different option, at least for daylight rides. I've seen
    someone who has a piece of Fresnel lens bracketed about an
    inch above his display's face; it makes the whole thing
    appear about 25% larger, and seems to have made the
    difference for him.

    Quoted message said:

    Yet another goofy idea would be to get clip-on aero bars
    (which I really don't need, and would look a little silly
    on this bike), just to have a place to stick the computer
    out where I could read it.

    Or maybe at the tip of an mtb bar end clamped on at a
    strategic location?
    --
    Typoes are a feature, not a bug. Some gardening required to
    reply via email. Surrealism is a pectinated ranzel.

  3. foldedpath said:
    Quoted message said:


    Which current brand and model has the biggest, clearest
    numbers in the display? I saw someone mention the
    Planetbike Protege series in another thread. It looks good
    in the web site photos but I haven't seen it in person,
    and I can't tell if the numbers are actually bigger, or
    they're just using the display area to show more
    information. Maybe there is something else that doesn't
    have a huge display area, but has very large numbers? It's
    hard to tell from looking at web site photos of all the
    different brands, and my LBS only carries a few of them.


    I have the Protege 9.0. The numbers are actually smaller
    than the one on other make/models. The idea of the Protege
    series is to pack more info on one screen so you don't need
    to press buttons.

    Topeak Panoram v12 seems to have a large display with large
    numbers.
    topeak.comcomputer 001.html

    Quoted message said:

    Yet another goofy idea would be to get clip-on aero bars
    (which I really don't need, and would look a little silly
    on this bike), just to have a place to stick the computer
    out where I could read it.

    Or a piece of Fresnel magnifying glass mounted 2" above
    the display?

  4. foldedpath <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:

    I'd rather use normal sunglasses, and I'd like to avoid
    having to buy expensive bifocal sunglasses.

    FWIW, I'm in the same shape (bifocal), but I use less
    expensive single vision persc. sunglasses for riding.

    --
    Peder (Please reply to group only, email invalid)

  5. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by Peder
    foldedpath <[email hidden]> wrote in
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    I'd rather use normal sunglasses, and I'd like to avoid
    having to buy expensive bifocal sunglasses.



    FWIW, I'm in the same shape (bifocal), but I use less
    expensive single vision persc. sunglasses for riding.

    --
    Peder (Please reply to group only, email invalid)

    How about thos self-adhesive non-perscription inserts you stick to the inside of sunglasses? If regular non-perscription reading glasses work for you, these will too.

    They are reusable, just wash in water and use a drop of water to secure to the next pair.

    REI has them in various strengths.

  6. "Weisse Luft" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    How about thos self-adhesive non-perscription inserts you
    stick to the inside of sunglasses? If regular non-
    perscription reading glasses work for you, these will too.

    They are reusable, just wash in water and use a drop of
    water to secure to the next pair.

    The beauty of those is you can cut a piece, and make a small
    bifocal area just on one lens. As for big displays, I think
    the Planet Bike has a large one.

  7. foldedpath said:

    My vision is fine beyond about 5 feet, but I need reading
    glasses for anything closer.

    I'm not that bad yet but I probably will be right there with
    you in a few more years. 🙁

    Quoted message said:

    Which current brand and model has the biggest, clearest
    numbers in the display?

    I've been looking at a lot of computers lately (though I
    have a different problem of trying to find a backlight). The
    Specialized Elite Turbo Series appears to have large numbers
    for the main display as does the Topeak Panoram V12.

  8. foldedpath said:

    Also, display issues aside... what do y'all think about
    alternative mounting locations to put the cyclometer in my
    range of focus?

    Mirror on head tube arranged to reflect the cyclometer
    that's mounted on the top tube/down tube/wherever it can be
    far enough?

  9. David Johnson <[email hidden]> wrote in
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    foldedpath said:

    Also, display issues aside... what do y'all think about
    alternative mounting locations to put the cyclometer in
    my range of focus?

    Mirror on head tube arranged to reflect the cyclometer
    that's mounted on the top tube/down tube/wherever it can
    be far enough?

    That's a great "thinking outside the box" idea, but I think
    I would need two mirrors to keep the numbers the right way
    around. But it might actually work! I'd just have to keep
    the mirrors in alignment. I could even mount the computer
    upside-down on the handlebars... hmmmmm.

    BTW, thanks to everyone who jumped in with suggestions.
    There are a lot of good ideas here, and I'll probably end up
    trying most of them. At some point I may even try bifocal
    contact lenses, but I'm really trying to avoid that.

    Remember.... you'll all have to deal with this to some
    degree, if you stay active long enough. Well, either that,
    or just ditch the computer. But that doesn't solve
    everything. I've had to put a tiny pair of folding half-
    frame reading glasses in the repair kit in my saddle bag, in
    case I have to deal with a field repair of some small part,
    or a tube patch, when I'm out riding.

    There is a real marketing opportunity here. I can't wait to
    see the "Baby Boomer Bike (tm)" with components and bike
    computer readouts that are EXTRA LARGE, so you can see
    everything.

    --
    Mike Barrs

  10. I've done that, finaly I just had my contacts set for mono-
    vision and after a couple of weeks my eyes and brain
    adjusted to it to where I can race comfortably with the
    difference in the two eyes.

    "Weisse Luft" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:
    Peder said:

    foldedpath <[email hidden]> wrote in


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    Quoted message said:

    I'd rather use normal sunglasses, and I'd like to
    avoid having to


    buy

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    expensive bifocal sunglasses.


    FWIW, I'm in the same shape (bifocal), but I use less
    expensive single vision persc. sunglasses for riding.
    --
    Peder (Please reply to group only, email invalid)

    How about thos self-adhesive non-perscription inserts you
    stick to the inside of sunglasses? If regular non-
    perscription reading glasses work for you, these will too.

    They are reusable, just wash in water and use a drop of
    water to secure to the next pair.

    REI has them in various strengths.

    --

  11. "Peter Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<iaZGc.39654$MB3.37635@attbi_s04>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Weisse Luft" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    How about thos self-adhesive non-perscription
    inserts you stick to the inside of sunglasses? If
    regular non-perscription reading glasses work for
    you, these will too.

    They are reusable, just wash in water and use a drop of
    water to secure to the next pair.

    The beauty of those is you can cut a piece, and make a
    small bifocal area just on one lens. As for big displays,
    I think the Planet Bike has a large one.

    Dear Weisse and Peter,

    What do you call them? And where the hell are they?

    These non-prescription inserts for sunglasses sound like the
    perfect gift for a friend who's become immune to my cruel
    jokes about his early radial keratotomy and now can't read
    restaurant menus when he forgets his reading glasses, but I
    can't find whatever you're talking about at the REI site or
    at www.planetbike.com.

    (Honest, I don't need them yet--I just take my goggles off
    and peer at small things with one eye closed. Of course,
    if I had these wonder inserts, maybe I could see them on
    the screen.)

    Carl Fogel

  12. "foldedpath" wrote...

    Quoted message said:

    My vision is fine beyond about 5 feet, but I need reading
    glasses for anything closer. It's classic old fart
    presbyopia, a little worse than average because I started
    out farsighted.

    Oh jeez, for a moment I thought you were talking about
    narrow minded, retro Presbyterians who refuse to use bike
    computers.

  13. In article
    <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    My vision is fine beyond about 5 feet, but I need reading
    glasses for anything closer. It's classic old fart
    presbyopia, a little worse than average because I started
    out farsighted. I use half-frame reading glasses, but I
    don't want to wear them on my bike. I'd rather use normal
    sunglasses, and I'd like to avoid having to buy expensive
    bifocal sunglasses.

    My current (10 year old) Cateye has a very small,
    somewhat low contrast display, and it's getting to the
    point where it's very tough to read through my fuzzy
    closeup vision. <snip>

    If the battery is old, contrast is usually reduced. Try a
    new battery and you may find that your eyes have improved!

    I have the same problem, but I can still read my Cateye Mity
    3? I can't read a GPS on tour anymore, so being an old fart
    and completely unaware of how I look, I dangle a pair of 2
    dioptre small half frame $3 reading glasses around my neck
    on a cord. For short periods, they fit on the end of my nose
    even when the sunglasses are still on. A great way to annoy
    my wife, who retains some vestigial vanity.

    Bruce Graham

  14. "Jim Flom" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:TG3Hc.12008$eO.2239@edtnps89:

    Quoted message said:

    "foldedpath" wrote...

    Quoted message said:

    My vision is fine beyond about 5 feet, but I need reading
    glasses for anything closer. It's classic old fart
    presbyopia, a little worse than average because I started
    out farsighted.

    Oh jeez, for a moment I thought you were talking about
    narrow minded, retro Presbyterians who refuse to use bike
    computers.

    I didn't think of it that way originally... but maybe the
    phrase "see no evil" applies here. Maybe this is a sign
    from God, that I should stop paying so much attention to
    those numbers?

    --
    Mike Barrs

  15. Bruce Graham <[email hidden]> wrote in
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    In article
    <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:


    My current (10 year old) Cateye has a very small,
    somewhat low contrast display, and it's getting to the
    point where it's very tough to read through my fuzzy
    closeup vision. <snip>

    If the battery is old, contrast is usually reduced. Try a
    new battery and you may find that your eyes have improved!

    Alas, I've tried that already with no improvement. Actually,
    I can't see if it's improved or not.

    Quoted message said:

    I have the same problem, but I can still read my Cateye
    Mity 3? I can't read a GPS on tour anymore, so being an
    old fart and completely unaware of how I look, I dangle
    a pair of 2 dioptre small half frame $3 reading glasses
    around my neck on a cord. For short periods, they fit on
    the end of my nose even when the sunglasses are still
    on. A great way to annoy my wife, who retains some
    vestigial vanity.

    Bruce Graham

    Now here is someone I can relate to. Half frame drugstore
    glasses on TOP of sunglasses. I haven't tried that yet, but
    I will. Thanks! I have definitely reached the point where
    I'm unaware of how I look on a bike.

    --
    Mike Barrs

  16. Jim Flom said:

    "foldedpath" wrote...

    Quoted message said:

    My vision is fine beyond about 5 feet, but I need reading
    glasses for anything closer. It's classic old fart
    presbyopia, a little worse than average because I started
    out farsighted.

    Oh jeez, for a moment I thought you were talking about
    narrow minded, retro Presbyterians who refuse to use bike
    computers.

    Dear Jim,

    No, we may be narrow-minded and retro, but we embrace the
    cyclocomputer technology and the spreadsheets that go with
    it.

    Technically, a good friend and I are both still anointed
    members of the First Presbyterian Church and plague our
    godly mothers about how it's going to hell. There's
    something not quite kosher about women in the pulpit!

    (In our day, the requirements for full membership were
    somewhat less stringent than those of the Puritan colony--
    instead of an inspired consciousness of inward grace, the
    ability to recite the names of the books of the Bible in
    order was judged a sufficient outward sign of our
    predestined salvation. Nowadays, the ability to capitalize
    "Bible" may be enough to admit applicants to the glories of
    full membership.)

    (Is there a Second Presbyterian Church anywhere?)

    Even more technically, presby-opia means old-age bad-vision--
    with age, the lens stiffens and loses its ability to
    contract enough to focus up close.

    Presbyterians are merely the sole true church based on
    government by elders/olders (who never bothered to explain
    to me or my friend what the hell distinguished us from
    Methodists, Baptists, Anglicans, Lutherans, Catholics, or
    other varieties of infidels).

    PRESBYTERIAN, n. One who holds the conviction that the
    government authorities of the Church should be called
    presbyters. --The Devil's Dictionary, Ambrose Bierce

    Carl Fogel

  17. <[email hidden]> wrote...

    Quoted message said:


    (Is there a Second Presbyterian Church anywhere?)

    There's a Tenth Presbyterian Church in Philadelphia. And for
    that other stuff, I dare not go there, tempting as it is.
    That's a whole 'nother newsgroup.

    Jim "never heard of anointing Presbyterians for
    membership" Flom

  18. Jim Flom said:

    <[email hidden]> wrote...

    Quoted message said:


    (Is there a Second Presbyterian Church anywhere?)

    There's a Tenth Presbyterian Church in Philadelphia. And
    for that other stuff, I dare not go there, tempting as it
    is. That's a whole 'nother newsgroup.

    Jim "never heard of anointing Presbyterians for
    membership" Flom

    Dear Jim,

    Possibly they just have a more accurate divine cyclocomputer
    that reads in tenths?

    Anointedly,

    Carl Fogel

  19. foldedpath said:


    [snip]

    Quoted message said:

    Now here is someone I can relate to. Half frame drugstore
    glasses on TOP of sunglasses. I haven't tried that yet,
    but I will. Thanks! I have definitely reached the point
    where I'm unaware of how I look on a bike.

    Getting slightly OT here, I have a problem with one eye
    which becomes sore in the wind. I also have prescription
    glasses. Recently I've tried wearing protective wraparound
    plastic glasses, of the kind sold in DIY stores, outside the
    glasses. Seems to be working well so far.

    Anthony

    --
    <<|
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    | org.uk/cycling/
    _________ ,___o / \ __________ _\ <;_ / \ OCD
    Cycloclimbing ___________ (_)/ (_) / \
    ocd.org.ukocd.org.uk
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    foldedpath said:

    "Jim Flom" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:

    "foldedpath" wrote...

    Quoted message said:

    My vision is fine beyond about 5 feet, but I need
    reading glasses for anything closer. It's classic old
    fart presbyopia, a little worse than average because I
    started out farsighted.

    Oh jeez, for a moment I thought you were talking about
    narrow minded, retro Presbyterians who refuse to use bike
    computers.

    I didn't think of it that way originally... but maybe the
    phrase "see no evil" applies here. Maybe this is a sign
    from God, that I should stop paying so much attention to
    those numbers?

    _ Well, I purposely mounted my cyclocomputer where I can't
    see it when I'm riding. The only reason I got one is know
    how far I've ridden after I'm done. I just find them
    annoying and distracting for the most part. Besides it's
    really hard to pretend you're still in shape when you have
    the evidence blinking away at you...

    _ Booker C. Bense

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