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  1. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Natural /Soution To ADD/ADHD
    From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-July 2, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t
    [email hidden]
    Date: 7/2/2004 1:47 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040701174646.10996.00001006@mb-
    m02.aol.com...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Natural /Soution To ADD/ADHD From: Vashti
    [email hidden] Date: 7/1/2004 2:49 AM Pacific
    Standard Time Message-id:
    <[email hidden]>

    It wasn't a dark and stormy night when M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-
    July 1, 2004 wrote:

    >
    > "Vashti" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > "]news:[email hidden]...
    <snip>
    > > They might have my vote if they showed some solid
    > > research proving their position and left out the
    > > vague references to how bad Ritalin
    > > is.
    >
    > Vaxa has been making claims for years. The FTC/FDA are
    > reviewing them now.

    Maybe something useful will come of it, whatever the
    results are will add to the body of information out
    there. How long would this process take? I'm betting
    it's long enough for me to forget about the stuff
    altogether knowing me! 😉

    Vashti

    Perhaps Mark might like to back up his claim with
    proof?????

    Do show us they are being reviewed.

    Killfile off waiting.

    I filed a complaint with the FTC after I reviewed the URL
    you posted and saw the egregious violations.

    000000000000000000000000000 I see.

    Quack Barrett has taught you his dishonest tricks well.

    Too much compettion for your beloved drugs.

    Quoted message said:

    If and when I hear from the FTC, I will let you know.

    I'll bet. In the meantime you LIED.

    Quoted message said:

    Vaxa has been making claims for years. The FTC/FDA are
    reviewing them now.

    Filing a complaint is NOT ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    The FTC/FDA are reviewing them *now*

    Your over grown EGO is showing.

    Caught in another LIE, busted, and a very slow learner.

    Jan

  2. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Caught in another LIE, busted, and a very slow learner.

    Jan

    Well that sure sounded 'belittling' and extremely
    'unchristian' for a Bible thumper like Handjive Jan!

  3. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Natural /Soution To ADD/ADHD From: "M.a.r.k
    P.r.o.b.e.r.t-July 2, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t 07-02-
    [email hidden] Date: 7/2/2004 1:47 AM Pacific
    Standard Time Message-id:
    <[email hidden]>

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040701174646.10996.00001006@mb-
    m02.aol.com...

    Quoted message said:

    >Subject: Re: Natural /Soution To ADD/ADHD From: Vashti
    >[email hidden] Date: 7/1/2004 2:49 AM Pacific
    >Standard Time Message-id:
    ><[email hidden]>
    >
    >It wasn't a dark and stormy night when M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-
    >July 1, 2004 wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> "Vashti" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >> "]news:[email hidden]...
    ><snip>
    >> > They might have my vote if they showed some solid
    >> > research proving their position and left out the
    >> > vague references to how bad


    Ritalin

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> > is.
    >>
    >> Vaxa has been making claims for years. The FTC/FDA
    >> are reviewing


    them

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> now.
    >
    >Maybe something useful will come of it, whatever the
    >results are will add to the body of information out
    >there. How long would this process take? I'm betting
    >it's long enough for me to forget about the stuff
    >altogether knowing me! 😉
    >
    >
    >Vashti

    Perhaps Mark might like to back up his claim with
    proof?????

    Do show us they are being reviewed.

    Killfile off waiting.

    I filed a complaint with the FTC after I reviewed the URL
    you posted and


    saw

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the egregious violations.

    000000000000000000000000000 I see.

    Quack Barrett has taught you his dishonest tricks well.

    Nope. I sent them my home address, phone listing, and other
    contact information. I do not tolerate any form of scamming
    when it comes to serious matters. Look at the seriousness of
    unlawful internet drug sales. Someone is pushing this
    pillsupplier drug sales site. YOU are strangely silent.
    These sites are fast becoming a source of abusable drugs.

    Quoted message said:

    Too much compettion for your beloved drugs.

    Nope, again. This substance is NOT competition in any shape,
    manner or form. It is useless, despite the salespitch.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If and when I hear from the FTC, I will let you know.

    I'll bet. In the meantime you LIED.

    No, sweetums, I did not lie. The FTC takes every complaint
    seriously and looks inbto the merits. If you woul like, I
    could forward their initial email repsonse to you.

    Have a nice day.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Vaxa has been making claims for years. The FTC/FDA are
    reviewing them now.

    Filing a complaint is NOT ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    The FTC/FDA are reviewing them *now*

    Yes, just like I said.

    Quoted message said:

    Your over grown EGO is showing.

    You have never met 1% of my ego.

    Quoted message said:

    Caught in another LIE, busted, and a very slow learner.

    No lie, you did not catch me, and I am much faster on the
    uptake than a sand box drop out.

  4. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Re Mark Probert BUSTER again
    From: "Coleah" [email hidden]
    Date: 7/2/2004 7:20 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <JBpFc.14743$MB3.9243@attbi_s04>

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040702204031.25527.00001033@mb-
    m29.aol.com...

    Quoted message said:

    Caught in another LIE, busted, and a very slow learner.

    Jan

    Well that sure sounded 'belittling' and extremely
    'unchristian' for a Bible thumper like Handjive Jan!

    Wrong posting the truth and exposing lies is Christian.

    Jan

  5. Quoted message said:

    From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-July 2, 2004"
    M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    This substance is NOT competition in any shape, manner or
    form. It is useless, despite the salespitch.

    =====
    Since 1987, Doctors, Health Professionals, Clinics and
    Hospitals, as well as Olympic and World Class Athletes have
    been safely trusting in Vaxa to meet the requirements for
    themselves and their patient base and clientele.

    Vaxa International has been recognized worldwide as a Leader
    in the Nutraceutical field. For years, Vaxa's advancements
    in phytomedicinal combinations and biosystem specificity
    have made the Nutraceutical industry what it is today, not
    just in the United States, but worldwide.

    In fact, those 70% experienced improvement near that of
    the most popular prescription medication for ADD/ADHD, in
    ONLY 30 Days!

    Do You Stand Behind Your Product?... Do You Offer A
    "Guarantee"? Absolutely! We stand behind Attend with a 1-
    YEAR Money Back Guarantee!

    Attend comes with extensive research and development and
    clinical testing to quantify the remarkably high
    effectiveness of this product for Attention Deficit
    Disorder. Vaxa, the makers of Attend, adhere to strict
    manufacturing standards to produce the highest quality
    supplements..

    There are over 1,000 nutritional manufacturing facilities in
    the United States. Less than ½ of 1% of the nutritional
    manufacturing facilities in the country match the exacting
    standards followed in the Vaxa facility. From raw material
    selection, to the water we clean our equipment with (details
    below) it is hard to match the intense attention to detail
    that goes into all of Vaxa's products.

    All Vaxa advanced nutraceutical supplements are manufactured
    in an FDA registered and inspected facility. All ingredients
    contained within each Vaxa formula are considered dietary
    food entities or supplements.

    Only Superior Suppliers Pass The 1st Examination; A More
    Rigorous Test Comes Next: For each ingredient we screen
    potential suppliers by several critical factors. We ask
    questions such as: "In which region was it grown?" "Is it
    certified organic?" "Was it grown for supplements or for
    whole foods?" "How do you prevent degradation of the
    product?" "Is it irradiated or chemically cleaned?" Active
    ingredients such as Sodium Bicarbonate, Calcium Carbonate
    and Potassium Bicarbonate must be pharmaceutical grade. In
    the lab, raw materials from a vendor are tested as they come
    in the door - we do not accept the Certificate of Analysis
    at face value. Tests are done visually, by smell, taste and
    then scientifically. Alkalinity is tested and the batch is
    run through a pharmaceutical standard, state of the art
    machine called a High-Pressure Liquid Chromatographer to
    test down to the trillions the elemental factors of the
    compound. Then it is blueprinted on a near infrared scanner
    that identifies 450 constituents qualitatively. That becomes
    our standard that every future batch from the vendor must
    match. Before the ingredient goes to manufacturing it is
    tested for macro-biological contaminants, such as strep, e
    Coli, or salmonella.

    Clinical Lab Conditions - No Contamination: The
    manufacturing lab is a clinical environment with all
    stainless steel construction. To clean the lab we UV
    sterilize, carbon filter, reverse osmosis, ozone inject, mix
    bed de-ionize and boiler kettle our own water. This
    procedure is above Kosher requirements.

    Precise Environmental Standards - No Contamination: Each
    room has its own air handler that completely exchanges the
    air 50 times per hour. Pure, clean air is a critical element
    in manufacturing a pure product. There are so many
    contaminants in the air that a state of the art air
    scrubbing system is a necessity. Many facilities just have a
    dust handler and rely on the air conditioning system to
    fight to replace the air. You might as well make the product
    in a parking lot. The temperature is at a constant 71
    degrees and the humidity is less than 35%.

    Particle Sizing Means Greater Absorbency: The key element of
    our manufacturing process is particle sizing. We use cold
    process pulverization to take all particles to the same
    size. Smaller particle size means that the body assimilates
    the elements more readily. Ingredients come in different
    particle sizes. Picture BBs, ping-pong balls, golf balls,
    baseballs, softballs and basketballs. Improper mixing yields
    batches that have all of the basketballs balls at the top
    and the BBs at the bottom. This would mean that each capsule
    has a different mix of ingredients (those early in the
    loading process - too many basketballs).

    Every Capsule Is Within a 1% Weight Tolerance: At the end of
    the production process, checks are run to insure the product
    weighs what it should. Industry standards allow +/- 5%
    failure tolerances. We insist on a tolerance of +/- 1%. Many
    manufacturers cut corners here. It is in their interest to
    do so as 5% less material in each capsule adds up to serious
    costs saved over time.

    Acceptable Contamination Levels are 1/10th of Industry
    Standards: Finally, a macro-biological test is done to make
    sure that the lab didn't contaminate the product. Vaxa's
    standards are 1000% higher than what the industry allows.

    In the end, each batch comes with a Certificate of Analysis
    and has a National Drug Control Number. Once Vaxa products
    are manufactured and packaged, the product is then tested by
    lot to ensure quality, stability, consistency, weight, and
    content. Time series and dating analysis are performed twice
    on all lots, first at the lab and then when received as a
    finished product by Vaxa. Strict controls of inventory
    dating and ongoing computer evaluations are performed daily
    while total rechecks of inventory are performed each month.

    All Vaxa products, once manufactured and packaged are then
    tested by lot to ensure quality control, stability,
    consistency, weight, and content. Time series and dating
    analysis are performed twice on all lots. First where the
    materials were produced and later when received as finished
    product by Växa.

    The strictest controls of inventory dating and ongoing
    computer evaluations are performed daily while total recheck
    of inventory are performed each month.

    As you can see, Vaxa shares your passion for health and well
    being and is obsessed with offering the highest quality
    homeopathic nutraceutical products on the market. Vaxa
    promises is to deliver high impact products with synergistic
    formulations and the highest quality ingredients
    manufactured with intense attention to detail.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If and when I hear from the FTC, I will let you know.

    I'll bet. In the meantime you LIED

    Quoted message said:

    No, sweetums, I did not lie.

    Liars have to tell more lies in a desperate attempt to covet
    the first one.

    Quoted message said:

    The FTC takes every complaint seriously and looks inbto
    the merits.

    Irrelevant to your lie.

    Quoted message said:

    I sent them my home address, phone listing, and other
    contact information.

    Irrelevant to your lie.

    Quoted message said:

    f you woul like, I could forward their initial email
    repsonse to you.

    Irrelevant to your lie.

    Quoted message said:

    Vaxa has been making claims for years. The FTC/FDA are
    reviewing them now.

    You LIED again, you never learn.

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Filing a complaint is NOT ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    Quoted message said:


    The FTC/FDA are reviewing them *now*

    Yes, just like I said.


    Just like you LIED.

    Quoted message said:

    Caught in another LIE, busted, and a very slow learner.

    Quoted message said:

    No lie, you did not catch me,

    Another lie.

    and I am much faster on the uptake than a sand

    Quoted message said:

    box drop out.

    LOL. You noticed I KNEW you were lying from past behavior,
    and I called your hand.

    You floundered, as usual.

    Then when caught ,used the usual *gang* behavior, lied again
    and threw out more insults.

    Quoted message said:

    . I do not tolerate any form of scamming when it comes to
    serious matters.

    *I* don't tolerate LIES.

    Jan

  6. (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Re Mark Probert BUSTER again From: "Coleah"
    [email hidden] Date: 7/2/2004 7:20 PM Pacific
    Standard Time Message-id: <JBpFc.14743$MB3.9243@attbi_s04>

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040702204031.25527.00001033@mb-
    m29.aol.com...

    Quoted message said:

    Caught in another LIE, busted, and a very slow learner.

    Jan

    Well that sure sounded 'belittling' and extremely
    'unchristian' for a Bible thumper like Handjive Jan!

    Wrong posting the truth and exposing lies is Christian.

    Jan

    Tell Jesus that. In case you forgot Jan I suggest you read
    the following and try to understand what it means:

    MATTHEW 7:1-5:

    "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye
    judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it
    shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the
    mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the
    beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy
    brother, Let me pull the mote out of thine eye; and behold,
    a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out
    the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see
    clearly to cast the mote out of thy brother's eye."

    Clearly, it is hypocritical judgment that this Scripture
    condemns. (Look at verse 6, and 13-15 to see that Christ
    actually instructs them to make judgments!) A hypocritical
    judgment is judging something for something of which you are
    also guilty - LIKE TELLING ME NOT TO JUDGE WHEN YOU ARE
    JUDGING ME! Or telling others not to lie when you are lying.
    Or telling others not to belittle when you are belittling.
    Or telling someone not to call others names when you are
    calling others names. Or telling someone not to change the
    subject to them but they freely change the subject to
    whomoever they so desire.

    Poor Jan. May God have mercy on her soul.

    Aloha,

    Rich
    -------------------------------------------------
    -------------------------------------------------

    The best defense to logic is ignorance

  7. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Re Mark Probert BUSTER again From: "Coleah"
    [email hidden] Date: 7/2/2004 7:20 PM Pacific
    Standard Time Message-id:
    <JBpFc.14743$MB3.9243@attbi_s04>

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040702204031.25527.00001033@mb-
    m29.aol.com...

    Quoted message said:

    Caught in another LIE, busted, and a very slow learner.

    Jan

    Well that sure sounded 'belittling' and extremely
    'unchristian' for a


    Bible

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    thumper like Handjive Jan!

    Wrong posting the truth and exposing lies is Christian.

    oops...

    MATTHEW 7:1-5:

    "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye
    judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it
    shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the
    mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the
    beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy
    brother, Let me pull the mote out of thine eye; and behold,
    a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out
    the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see
    clearly to cast the mote out of thy brother's eye."

    H Y P O C R I T E!

  8. Jan the Accuser said:

    Nobody except trouble makers care.

    Nobody except you is trying to divert the subject away from
    the insane threats of a psychopath and malingerer.

    Quoted message said:

    What happen several years back is Mark Thorson lied and
    got caught.

    Repeating your accusation doesn't make it true.

    Why can't you back up your accusation with an example of an
    ORIGINAL STATEMENT from me which is a lie?

    Why is that?

    It burns you up that I can post many examples of ORIGINAL
    STATEMENTS made by you which are lies.

    Like this one:

    To see Jan's ORIGINAL POSTING, go here:w.google.com/groups?selm=20040310000815.25804.00001173%40mb-
    m01.aol.com

    Jan said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: Mark Thorson [email hidden]

    Instead of responding to what you say, Jan is trying to
    discredit you by making insinuations about who you are or
    what your motives may be.

    Soon, she may accuse you of being on the payroll of the
    pharmaceutical companies, etc. That's the way Jan works.

    That would be ANOTHER LIE from Mark Thorson. I have
    NEVER accused


    anyone of

    Quoted message said:

    any such thing.

    So do prove your claim Mark!!!!!

    You can't YOU JUST LIED AGAIN!!!!!!!

    ----- example quotes of Jan accusing people of being paid
    shills -----

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:w.google.com/groups?selm=20030415173745.18794.00000646%40mb-
    fn.aol.com

    Any time alt. health is mentioned the personal trashing
    starts. Mostly comes from paid shill Mark Probert.

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:w.google.com/groups?selm=20030412210802.08778.00000680%40mb-
    fw.aol.com

    Internet bully Mark Probert who is a paid shill and lives
    off his wife.

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:w.google.com/groups?selm=20030410170838.14245.00000347%40mb-
    ct.aol.com

    As for Mark, he is a paid shill and lives off his wife.

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:w.google.com/groups?selm=20030325123827.25124.00000246%40mb-
    mn.aol.com

    As long as Mark is here, the paid shill will call names
    when in fact he is the one who is a bigot. Speaking of his
    own people.

  9. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-July 2, 2004"
    M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    This substance is NOT competition in any shape, manner or
    form. It is useless, despite the salespitch.

    =====
    Since 1987, Doctors, Health Professionals, Clinics and
    Hospitals, as well


    as

    Quoted message said:

    Olympic and World Class Athletes have been safely trusting
    in Vaxa to meet


    the

    Quoted message said:

    requirements for themselves and their patient base and
    clientele.

    Vaxa International has been recognized worldwide as a
    Leader in the Nutraceutical field. For years, Vaxa's
    advancements in phytomedicinal

    I just wanted to point out to everyone that Vaxa Int'l
    manufactures homeopathic products!

    The product promoted [Attend] for ADHD is a
    homeopathic product.

  10. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-July 2, 2004"
    M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:

    This substance is NOT competition in any shape, manner or
    form. It is useless, despite the salespitch.

    Selective snipping of the sales hype follows:

    Quoted message said:

    =====
    Since 1987, Doctors, Health Professionals, Clinics and
    Hospitals, as well


    as

    Quoted message said:

    Olympic and World Class Athletes have been safely trusting
    in Vaxa to meet


    the

    Quoted message said:

    requirements for themselves and their patient base and
    clientele.

    One can they list them? IIRC, Vaxa was asked many years ago
    to list them, and would not. Strange that.

    Quoted message said:

    Vaxa International has been recognized worldwide as a
    Leader in the Nutraceutical field. For years, Vaxa's
    advancements in phytomedicinal combinations and biosystem
    specificity have made the Nutraceutical


    industry

    Quoted message said:

    what it is today, not just in the United States, but
    worldwide.

    A claim not to be proud of. Shows they value deception.

    Quoted message said:

    In fact, those 70% experienced improvement near that of
    the most popular prescription medication for ADD/ADHD, in
    ONLY 30 Days!

    However, they cannot prove that:

    1) all participants were properly disagnosed with ADHD (and
    Jan keeps posting how often ADHD is misdiagnosed, thus
    proving that their self-referred base is unreliable)

    2) that there was no placebo or Hawthorne effect

    3) that there was no observational bias errors since the
    "studies" were not double blinded.

    and that is just for starters.

    Quoted message said:

    Do You Stand Behind Your Product?...

    Vaxa doesn't care enough to submit their claims to the
    FDA for approval. I wonder why? Actually, I don't. The
    only reason why is that they are afraid that they cannot
    prove their claims. I do not call that standing behind
    their product.

    Do You Offer A "Guarantee"?

    Quoted message said:

    Absolutely! We stand behind Attend with a 1-YEAR Money
    Back Guarantee!

    Attend comes with extensive research and development and
    clinical testing


    to

    Quoted message said:

    quantify the remarkably high effectiveness of this product
    for Attention Deficit Disorder. Vaxa, the makers of
    Attend, adhere to strict


    manufacturing

    Quoted message said:

    standards to produce the highest quality supplements..

    See above for comments on proof of claims.

    Quoted message said:

    There are over 1,000 nutritional manufacturing facilities
    in the United


    States.

    Now, that is one scary number...

    Quoted message said:

    Less than ½ of 1% of the nutritional manufacturing
    facilities in the


    country

    Quoted message said:

    match the exacting standards followed in the Vaxa
    facility.

    If true, that is even more scary. Stephen King should write
    a book about it.

    From raw material

    Quoted message said:

    selection, to the water we clean our equipment with
    (details below) it is


    hard

    Quoted message said:

    to match the intense attention to detail that goes into
    all of Vaxa's


    products.

    Quoted message said:


    All Vaxa advanced nutraceutical supplements are
    manufactured in an FDA registered and inspected facility.
    All ingredients contained within each


    Vaxa

    Quoted message said:

    formula are considered dietary food entities or
    supplements.

    FDA registered and inspected, but, strangely, there i
    snothing on the FDA website about this....

    Quoted message said:

    Acceptable Contamination Levels are 1/10th of Industry
    Standards: Finally, a macro-biological test is done to
    make sure that the lab didn't contaminate the product.
    Vaxa's standards are 1000% higher than what the
    industry allows.

    If so, Robin Cook could write a book about it.

    Quoted message said:

    In the end, each batch comes with a Certificate of
    Analysis and has a


    National

    Quoted message said:

    Drug

    Drug? I thought they were selling supplements, not drugs....

    Quoted message said:

    As you can see, Vaxa shares your passion for health and
    well being and is obsessed with offering the highest
    quality homeopathic nutraceutical


    products

    Quoted message said:

    on the market.

    I wish they were as obsessed with actually proving
    that it works.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If and when I hear from the FTC, I will let you know.

    I'll bet. In the meantime you LIED

    Quoted message said:

    No, sweetums, I did not lie.

    Liars have to tell more lies in a desperate attempt to
    covet the first


    one.

    I did not covet the first one, as 1) I do not covet, and 2)
    I did not lie.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The FTC takes every complaint seriously and looks inbto
    the merits.

    Irrelevant to your lie.

    Wrong, since I did not lie.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I sent them my home address, phone listing, and other
    contact information.

    Irrelevant to your lie.

    Nope. Shows I have nothing to hide. I am not hiding in
    Mexico or Central America, like your buddies.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    f you woul like, I could forward their initial email
    repsonse to you.

    Irrelevant to your lie.

    I offer proof, and you reject it. And, I did not lie.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Vaxa has been making claims for years. The FTC/FDA are
    reviewing them now.

    You LIED again, you never learn.

    I never lied, and you just have to reject anyone who
    disagrees with you by calling them a liar.

    Quoted message said:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    Filing a complaint is NOT ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    Quoted message said:


    The FTC/FDA are reviewing them *now*

    Yes, just like I said.


    Just like you LIED.

    No, like I said. Quite truthful.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Caught in another LIE, busted, and a very slow learner.

    Quoted message said:

    No lie, you did not catch me,

    Another lie.

    Nope. wrong, as usual.

    Quoted message said:

    and I am much faster on the uptake than a sand

    Quoted message said:

    box drop out.

    LOL. You noticed I KNEW you were lying from past behavior,
    and I called


    your

    Quoted message said:

    hand.

    CORRECT! I knew you would call me a liar simply because you
    are intellectually bankrupt and cannot handle the truth,
    thus necessitaitng your rejecting everything I say by
    calling me a liar.

    Quoted message said:

    You floundered, as usual.

    No, I have not FLOUNDERed, although, later this afternoon,
    while boating into lower NY Harbor for an evening anchorage
    near the Statue of Liberty to watch Macy's fireworks
    celebrating The Lady's reopening, I will be feasting on some
    fresh flounder (I hope) that we expect to catch.

    Quoted message said:

    Then when caught ,used the usual *gang* behavior, lied
    again and threw out


    more

    Quoted message said:

    insults.

    NOPE. Firstly, your pathological need to reject others'
    views by calling us a liar is an insult, but a mild one,
    considering the source. Secondly, I was being kind to you,
    and not insulting in the slightest way. You have shown no
    evidence of being a bottle rocket scientist. (Do not use
    bottle rockets and they are one of the leading causes of
    blindness.)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    . I do not tolerate any form of scamming when it comes to
    serious matters.

    *I* don't tolerate LIES.

    WRONG. You do not tolerate differences of opinion, and, that
    is a fact, Jack.

  11. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Re Mark Probert BUSTER again
    From: "Coleah" [email hidden]
    Date: 7/2/2004 7:20 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <JBpFc.14743$MB3.9243@attbi_s04>

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040702204031.25527.00001033@mb-
    m29.aol.com...

    Quoted message said:

    Caught in another LIE, busted, and a very slow learner.

    Jan

    Well that sure sounded 'belittling' and extremely
    'unchristian' for a Bible thumper like Handjive Jan!

    Wrong posting the truth and exposing lies is Christian.

    There is no mention of posting to Usenet in the Bible, ergo
    Jan is lying about God's word.

    Sad, that.

    Quoted message said:

    Jan

  12. Jan the Accuser said:

    Nobody except trouble makers care.

    Nobody except you is trying to divert the subject away from
    the insane threats of a psychopath and malingerer.

    Quoted message said:

    What happen several years back is Mark Thorson lied and
    got caught.

    Repeating your accusation doesn't make it true.

    Why can't you back up your accusation with an example of an
    ORIGINAL STATEMENT from me which is a lie?

    Why is that?

    It burns you up that I can post many examples of ORIGINAL
    STATEMENTS made by you which are lies.

    Like this one:

    To see Jan's ORIGINAL POSTING, go here:w.google.com/groups?selm=20040310000815.25804.00001173%40mb-
    m01.aol.com

    Jan said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: Mark Thorson [email hidden]

    Instead of responding to what you say, Jan is trying to
    discredit you by making insinuations about who you are or
    what your motives may be.

    Soon, she may accuse you of being on the payroll of the
    pharmaceutical companies, etc. That's the way Jan works.

    That would be ANOTHER LIE from Mark Thorson. I have
    NEVER accused


    anyone of

    Quoted message said:

    any such thing.

    So do prove your claim Mark!!!!!

    You can't YOU JUST LIED AGAIN!!!!!!!

    ----- example quotes of Jan accusing people of being paid
    shills -----

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:w.google.com/groups?selm=20030415173745.18794.00000646%40mb-
    fn.aol.com

    Any time alt. health is mentioned the personal trashing
    starts. Mostly comes from paid shill Mark Probert.

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:w.google.com/groups?selm=20030412210802.08778.00000680%40mb-
    fw.aol.com

    Internet bully Mark Probert who is a paid shill and lives
    off his wife.

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:w.google.com/groups?selm=20030410170838.14245.00000347%40mb-
    ct.aol.com

    As for Mark, he is a paid shill and lives off his wife.

    Quoting from this ORIGINAL posting from Jan Drew:w.google.com/groups?selm=20030325123827.25124.00000246%40mb-
    mn.aol.com

    As long as Mark is here, the paid shill will call names
    when in fact he is the one who is a bigot. Speaking of his
    own people.

  13. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Re Mark Probert BUSTED again From: "M.a.r.k
    P.r.o.b.e.r.t-July 2, 2004" M.a.r.kP.r.o.b.e.r.t 07-02-
    [email hidden] Date: 7/3/2004 5:47 AM Pacific
    Standard Time Message-id:
    <[email hidden]>

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040702233751.25527.00001058@mb-
    m29.aol.com...

    Quoted message said:

    >Subject: Re: Re Mark Probert BUSTER again From:
    >"Coleah" [email hidden] Date: 7/2/2004 7:20 PM
    >Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
    ><JBpFc.14743$MB3.9243@attbi_s04>
    >
    >
    >"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040702204031.25527.00001033@mb-
    >m29.aol.com...
    >
    >> Caught in another LIE, busted, and a very slow
    >> learner.
    >>
    >> Jan
    >
    >Well that sure sounded 'belittling' and extremely
    >'unchristian' for a


    Bible

    Quoted message said:

    >thumper like Handjive Jan!

    Wrong posting the truth and exposing lies is Christian.

    Quoted message said:

    oops...

    You clearly lied, no doubt about it.

    In Mark 1:34 we read that Jesus "drove out many demons,
    but he would not


    let

    Quoted message said:

    the demons speak because they knew who he was." The
    parallel account in


    Luke's

    Quoted message said:

    Gospel tells us that Jesus "rebuked them and would not
    allow them to


    speak,

    Quoted message said:

    because they knew he was the Christ" (Luke 4:41).

    Yes, Jan, you did find a biblical justification for when
    you say STFU.

    Quoted message said:

    There are probably several reasons as to why Jesus would
    not allow the


    demons

    Quoted message said:

    to speak. First, Satan is called the father of lies (John
    8:44; see also Genesis 3:4), and the demons who follow
    Satan no doubt reflect the


    character of

    Quoted message said:

    their diabolic leader. Certainly Jesus would not want any
    testimony


    regarding

    Quoted message said:

    His identity from a sinister, lying source. Moreover, one
    must keep in


    mind

    Quoted message said:

    that some of the Jewish leaders associated Jesus with
    Beelzebub, "the


    prince of

    Quoted message said:

    the demons" (Mark 3:22). Hence, allowing testimony from
    lying spirits


    might add

    Quoted message said:

    fuel to the fire regarding that false claim.

    Yes, Jan, posting about the evil of the Jews is exactly why
    you are considered to be a bigot.

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