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  1. Special Report: Pioneers of Medicine

    Attacking the heart attack

    By Avery Comarow U.S.News & World Report Monday, July 12,
    2004

    It's hard to remember that a heart attack was once a death
    sentence. These days, nearly 4 out of 5 heart attack victims
    survive. Emergency physicians treat them with clotbusting
    medications, their blocked arteries are reopened, and they
    are sent home, loaded down with pills and finger-wagging
    admonitions about diet and exercise, to resume the regular
    rhythms of their lives. It isn't exactly a ho-hum script,
    but it is the one the public has come to expect.

    Yet less than 50 years ago, well within many baby boomers'
    lifetimes, physicians did not realize that the damage of a
    heart attack could be minimized and even reversed. Indeed,
    it wasn't until 1960 that a research team at Northwestern
    University, led by pathologist Robert Jennings, used
    experiments with several dozen dogs to demonstrate that
    radical idea.

    A heart attack happens when there is an infarct, or sudden
    loss of blood flow, to part of the heart's muscular wall--
    hence heart attack's technical name, myocardial infarction.
    The Jennings team placed a block in one of the coronary
    arteries, which supply blood to the heart muscle, for
    various periods of time and then removed the blockage. Team
    members found that the blood- starved tissue could be saved
    if circulation to the area was restored soon enough.

    Timing is everything. And "soon enough" didn't . . .

    More here: usnews.comhealth
    /12jennings.htm

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  2. Dr. Jai Maharaj said:


    Special Report: Pioneers of Medicine

    Attacking the heart attack

    By Avery Comarow U.S.News & World Report Monday, July
    12, 2004

    It's hard to remember that a heart attack was once a death
    sentence. These days, nearly 4 out of 5 heart attack
    victims survive.

    ... if they make it to a hospital. About two out of three
    don't. And those who do survive are often crippled with
    lifelong heart failure or other debilitating symptoms.

    Quoted message said:

    Emergency physicians treat them with clotbusting
    medications, their blocked arteries are reopened, and they
    are sent home, loaded down with pills and finger-wagging
    admonitions about diet and exercise, to resume the regular
    rhythms of their lives. It isn't exactly a ho-hum script,
    but it is the one the public has come to expect.

    If you are overweight and especially if you have metabolic
    syndrome (MetS), also expect to be told that you must safely
    lose weight permanently.

    Enter the 2PD approach:

    heartmdphd.comwtloss.asp

    (doctor supervision required).

    Quoted message said:

    Yet less than 50 years ago, well within many baby boomers'
    lifetimes, physicians did not realize that the damage of a
    heart attack could be minimized and even reversed.

    In truth, damage from a heart attack is irreversible. Dead
    heart muscle cells do not come back or regrow.

    Quoted message said:

    Indeed, it wasn't until 1960 that a research team at
    Northwestern University, led by pathologist Robert
    Jennings, used experiments with several dozen dogs to
    demonstrate that radical idea.

    A heart attack happens when there is an infarct, or sudden
    loss of blood flow, to part of the heart's muscular wall--
    hence heart attack's technical name, myocardial
    infarction. The Jennings team placed a block in one of the
    coronary arteries, which supply blood to the heart muscle,
    for various periods of time and then removed the blockage.
    Team members found that the blood- starved tissue could be
    saved if circulation to the area was restored soon enough.

    If restored soon enough, *less* heart muscle dies.

    Quoted message said:

    Timing is everything. And "soon enough" didn't . . .

    More here: usnews.comheal
    th/12jennings.htm

    Jai Maharaj

    Thanks for the post.

    You remain in my prayers, neighbor.

    May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior,
    someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
    boundless riches of His everlasting kingdom.

    Quoted message said:


    The terrorist mission of Jesus stated in the
    Christian bible:

    "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I
    came not so send peace, but a sword. "For I am come
    to set a man at variance against his father, and the
    daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law
    against her mother in law. "And a man's foes shall be
    they of his own household.
    - Matthew 10:34-36.

    How people react to Christ is of and according to their own
    respective free wills. He, His Father in heaven, and the
    Holy Spirit are One and what God has made, which is
    everything, He can unmake according to His will and plan.

    Christ teaches from Matthew 10:

    32"Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also
    acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. 33But whoever
    disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in
    heaven. 34"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to
    the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For
    I have come to turn " 'a man against his father, a daughter
    against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law--
    36a man's enemies will be the members of his own
    household.'37"Anyone who loves his father or mother more
    than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or
    daughter more than me is not worthy of me; 38and anyone who
    does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
    39Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his
    life for my sake will find it. 40"He who receives you
    receives me, and he who receives me receives the one who
    sent me. 41Anyone who receives a prophet because he is a
    prophet will receive a prophet's reward, and anyone who
    receives a righteous man because he is a righteous man will
    receive a righteous man's reward. 42And if anyone gives even
    a cup of cold water to one of these little ones because he
    is my disciple, I tell you the truth, he will certainly not
    lose his reward."

    May God add His blessings to the writing of His word here
    within Usenet in Christ's name.

    Amen

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

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  3. Why can heart muscle tissue not repair somewhat when every
    other part of your body can?

    "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote
    in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Dr. Jai Maharaj said:


    Special Report: Pioneers of Medicine

    Attacking the heart attack

    By Avery Comarow U.S.News & World Report Monday, July
    12, 2004

    It's hard to remember that a heart attack was once a
    death sentence. These days, nearly 4 out of 5 heart
    attack victims survive.

    ... if they make it to a hospital. About two out of three
    don't. And those who do survive are often crippled with
    lifelong heart failure or other debilitating symptoms.

    Quoted message said:

    Emergency physicians treat them with clotbusting
    medications, their blocked arteries are reopened, and
    they are sent home, loaded down with pills and finger-
    wagging admonitions about diet and exercise, to resume
    the regular rhythms of their lives. It isn't exactly a
    ho-hum script, but it is the one the public has come to
    expect.

    If you are overweight and especially if you have metabolic
    syndrome (MetS), also expect to be told that you must
    safely lose weight permanently.

    Enter the 2PD approach:

    heartmdphd.comwtloss.asp

    (doctor supervision required).

    Quoted message said:

    Yet less than 50 years ago, well within many baby
    boomers' lifetimes, physicians did not realize that the
    damage of a heart attack could be minimized and even
    reversed.

    In truth, damage from a heart attack is irreversible. Dead
    heart muscle cells do not come back or regrow.

    Quoted message said:

    Indeed, it wasn't until 1960 that a research team at
    Northwestern University, led by pathologist Robert
    Jennings, used experiments with several dozen dogs to
    demonstrate that radical idea.

    A heart attack happens when there is an infarct, or
    sudden loss of blood flow, to part of the heart's
    muscular wall--hence heart attack's technical name,
    myocardial infarction. The Jennings team placed a block
    in one of the coronary arteries, which supply blood to
    the heart muscle, for various periods of time and then
    removed the blockage. Team members found that the blood-
    starved tissue could be saved if circulation to the area
    was restored soon enough.

    If restored soon enough, *less* heart muscle dies.

    Quoted message said:

    Timing is everything. And "soon enough" didn't . . .

    More here: usnews.comhe
    alth/12jennings.htm

    Jai Maharaj

    Thanks for the post.

    You remain in my prayers, neighbor.

    May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior,
    someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
    boundless riches of His everlasting kingdom.

    Quoted message said:


    The terrorist mission of Jesus stated in the Christian
    bible:

    "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I
    came not so send peace, but a sword. "For I am come
    to set a man at variance against his father, and
    the daughter against her mother, and the daughter
    in law against her mother in law. "And a man's foes
    shall be they of his own household.
    - Matthew 10:34-36.

    How people react to Christ is of and according to their
    own respective free wills. He, His Father in heaven, and
    the Holy Spirit are One and what God has made, which is
    everything, He can unmake according to His will and plan.

    Christ teaches from Matthew 10:

    32"Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also
    acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. 33But whoever
    disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father
    in heaven. 34"Do not suppose that I have come to bring
    peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a
    sword. 35For I have come to turn " 'a man against his
    father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law
    against her mother-in-law-- 36a man's enemies will be the
    members of his own household.'37"Anyone who loves his
    father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone
    who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy
    of me; 38and anyone who does not take his cross and follow
    me is not worthy of me. 39Whoever finds his life will lose
    it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
    40"He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me
    receives the one who sent me. 41Anyone who receives a
    prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's
    reward, and anyone who receives a righteous man because he
    is a righteous man will receive a righteous man's reward.
    42And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of
    these little ones because he is my disciple, I tell you
    the truth, he will certainly not lose his reward."

    May God add His blessings to the writing of His word here
    within Usenet in Christ's name.

    Amen

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

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  4. In article <[email hidden]>,
    "Gymmy Bob" <[email hidden]> posted:

    Quoted message said:

    Why can heart muscle tissue not repair somewhat when every
    other part of your body can?

    I posted the following in 1999 about reversing heart
    disease:

    [ From: Dr. Jai Maharaj [ Subject: REVERSING HEART DISEASE -
    Interview: Dr. Dean Ornish [ Date: March 14, 1999

    REVERSING HEART DISEASE - Interview: Dr. Dean Ornish

    By Praveen Swami in Mumbai Medicine Frontline March 13-26,
    1999 Vol. 16, No. 6

    A matter of lifestyle

    A U.S. cardiac surgeon, recently on a tour of India,
    generates interest with his theory that intensive changes in
    diet and lifestyle are more effective than surgical
    procedures in fighting, and even reversing, heart disease.

    Cardiac patients surrounded by banks of equipment, popping
    expensive pills, facing surgery and confronted by the
    prospect of huge medical bills have one other discomforting
    thought to engage with: the treatment they are getting might
    not actually be helping them in the larger term.

    For years, cardiac surgeon Dean Ornish was something of a
    priest pitted against the priesthood. Drastic changes in
    what patients ate and how they lived their lives, he argued,
    would be far more effective than cutting them open on the
    surgical table. Now, as evidence for his proposition has
    become near-irrefutable, the rewards are pouring in. Author
    of five books, two of them best- sellers, Ornish has shown
    that an extremely low-fat diet, moderate exercise, stress
    management techniques such as yog and meditation, quitting
    smoking and building more loving relationships can actually
    reverse heart disease. He has become something of a
    celebrity, with his work being featured in major magazines
    in the United States.

    Ornish's scepticism about conventional handling of heart
    disease dates back to the time when he was with the
    legendary surgeon Michael DeBakey. In patients with coronary
    heart disease, the flow of blood to the heart becomes
    restricted. Arteries taking blood to the heart can become
    blocked, a phenomenon known as atherosclerosis. Also,
    constricted blood cells can form clots. The end result is
    that the heart becomes starved for oxygen. Chest pains and
    full-scale heart attacks follow. Caused by a high-fat diet,
    nicotine, stress and other factors, coronary heart disease
    was for long believed to be irreversible. Surgery to bypass
    clogged arteries, and techniques such as angioplasty, were
    seen as the only options.

    However, such procedures rarely solved the problem. "Bypass
    surgery," Ornish said in his 1990 book Reversing Heart
    Disease, "became for me a metaphor for the inadequacy of
    treating a problem without also addressing the underlying
    causes. We would operate on patients, their chest pain would
    usually go away, and they were told that they were cured.
    Most would go home and continue to do the same things that
    led to the problem in the first place. They would smoke, eat
    a high-fat, high-cholesterol diet, manage stress poorly, and
    lead sedentary lives." More often than not they would end up
    in hospital again.

    Early research conducted by Ornish and others suggested that
    lifestyle interventions could not only stop the progress of
    coronary heart disease, but actually lead to the reversal of
    the condition. In one pilot study carried out in 1977 by
    Ornish, a group of 10 patients marked tremendous improvement
    in just one month. But to most doctors, the idea that very
    low-fat diets and exercise could actually reduce coronary
    blockages was arrant nonsense. Finally, with $600,000 he had
    collected as grants, Ornish moved to Sausalito in the U.S.
    to set up his Preventive Medical Research Institute. He
    began studies on 48 patients, made up of two groups. One
    followed his recommendations and the other received
    conventional treatment.

    Dr. Dean Ornish. The cardiac surgeon has shown that a low-
    fat diet, yog and meditation can reverse heart disease.
    Photo by Vivek Bendre.

    Medical evidence that Ornish's programme does work steadily
    built up from there. In 1990 Ornish reported in the medical
    journal Lancet that a group of 28 patients who had been
    following his programme for one year showed a measurable
    reversal of the blockages in their coronary arteries. The
    other group of 20 patients who had been following relatively
    conventional dietary guidelines, typical of those
    recommended by the American Heart Association (AHA), did not
    benefit from Ornish's exercise programme, counselling,
    instruction in stress reduction, or help in stopping
    smoking. The condition of patients in the second group by
    and large got worse.

    This suggested at the very least that the conventional
    treatment of heart disease did not really help patients. In
    papers published in 1992 and in 1993, Ornish described the
    progress of his patients over time. Twenty-two patients who
    had followed his programme for four years showed, on an
    average, less blockage in their arteries and improved blood
    flow to their hearts. The condition of 18 patients who were
    treated in the conventional way worsened. They showed
    increased blockages in their arteries after four years than
    after one year, and less blood flow to their hearts: and
    this despite the medical treatment they were receiving.

    In an article in the December 16, 1998 issue of the Journal
    of the American Medical Association (JAMA), Ornish and his
    colleagues spelled out the long-term benefits of their
    strategy further. Patients in an experimental group, who
    made intensive changes in diet, exercise, stress management
    and other lifestyle factors, showed a higher reversal of
    coronary heart disease over five years than those who had
    followed the programme for just one year. By contrast,
    patients in the control group, who had followed the advice
    of their physicians, suffered from a further narrowing of
    blood vessels, a process called stenosis, compared to what
    they had at the outset. This was despite the fact that
    unlike the experimental group more than half of the patients
    had taken medication.

    The original one-year trials showed that patients who made
    intensive lifestyle changes reduced their LDL ("bad"😉
    cholesterol levels by 37.2 per cent. Further, the extent of
    narrowing of the blood vessels was not pronounced in their
    case. Those patients from the original group who chose to
    participate in the five-year study were put on Ornish's 10-per-cent-
    fat vegetarian diet, asked to stop smoking, undergo stress
    management training and begin moderate aerobic exercise.
    None of them received lipid-lowering drugs, while 60 per
    cent of the patients in the control group were prescribed
    such medication. Angiograms were conducted at the end of the
    five- year period for both groups.

    The experimental group patients, the JAMA article records,
    saw a 91 per cent reduction in heart pain after one year and
    a further 72 per cent reduction after five years. The
    conventionally treated control group patients had exactly
    the opposite experience. They reported a 186 per cent
    increase in the frequency of chest pain during the first
    year of treatment, and a mere 36 per cent reduction after
    five years. Significantly, the reduction of LDL cholesterol
    levels in the experimental groups was comparable with those
    obtained by lipid-lowering drugs in patients who were
    mobile. Narrowing of blood vessels in patients in the
    experimental group showed an improvement of 7.9 per cent
    after the five-year period, while patients of the control
    group recorded a worsening of 27.7 per cent.

    "These findings," Ornish and his colleagues argue in their
    JAMA article, "support the feasibility of intensive
    lifestyle changes in delaying, stopping or reversing the
    progression of coronary artery disease in ambulatory
    patients over prolonged periods." The authors conclude: "In
    summary, these ambulatory patients were able to make and
    maintain comprehensive changes in diet and lifestyle for
    five years and showed even more regression of coronary
    atherosclerosis after five years than after one year as
    measured by per cent diameter stenosis. In contrast,
    patients following more conventional lifestyle
    recommendations showed even more progression of coronary
    atherosclerosis after five years than after one year and had
    more than twice as many cardiac events as patients making
    comprehensive lifestyle changes."

    Doctors performing a bypass surgery. Lifestyle changes are
    just as effective as, if not more effective than, surgical
    procedures in fighting heart disease. Photo by K. Ananthan.

    If intensive lifestyle changes are just as effective as, if
    not more effective than, surgical procedures in fighting
    heart disease, they are also considerably cheaper. Consider
    the case of lovastatin, a drug used to lower cholesterol
    levels. A study published in JAMA in 1998 suggested that
    lovastatin could also prevent heart ailments, not just cure
    patients. A research was conducted on more than 6,500 men
    and women with cholesterol levels normal for Americans.
    Those who took lovastatin cut their risk of heart attacks
    and angina by 37 per cent. Antonio Gotto, Dean of Cornell
    University's Weill Medical College, the study's lead author,
    suggested that the drug would benefit the six to seven
    million people in the U.S. who are considered "normal" under
    medical guidelines.

    Perhaps lovastatin would benefit such people, but so would
    intensive lifestyle changes. One important difference is
    that a year's worth of lovastatin costs between $900 and
    $1,800 per person. Then, researchers estimate that a group
    of 1,000 people treated for five years would have only 12
    fewer heart attacks. Simply cutting back on LDL cholesterol
    would reduce heart disease at no real cost, in turn saving
    money on possible hospitalisation and surgical intervention.
    Although Ornish is at pains to make clear that medication
    and surgery can help those most desperately in need of
    immediate help, giving up smoking, exercising more and
    eating low-fat diets clearly work better for most patients.

    The results of Ornish's programme are forcing important
    components of the U.S. health apparatus to pay attention.
    Bypass surgery is a $26-billion operation in that country,
    and the bulk of the costs are borne by insurance companies.
    Forty insurance companies, Newsweek magazine reported
    (March 16, 1998), now support Ornish's programme as an
    alternative to surgery. If a bypass surgical procedure in
    the U.S. costs about $50,000, Ornish's year-long programme
    of classes and group meetings, administered by 11
    hospitals, costs just $7,500.

    Ornish's findings are being received with growing
    enthusiasm, but some sections of the U.S. medical
    establishment are less than convinced by the effectiveness
    of his methods. On the Web site, the powerful AHA appears to
    suggest that many patients may not be able to follow
    Ornish's strict regimen. "It's not clear," the AHA states,
    "how many heart disease patients could adhere to a treatment
    plan such as Dean Ornish's on a long-term basis, and how
    many could benefit from such a programme. If diet and
    exercise alone do not enable patients to reach the goals
    they set with their doctors, then medication will be
    required. And for some people, surgery will be needed."

    Ornish's research, the AHA believes, "has shown that, with a
    motivated patient population willing to follow the regimen
    and a skilled group leader able to inspire adherence to it,
    significant benefits on lesion progress can be achieved."
    But, it says, many questions remain. For one, which
    component of the lifestyle changes had the most impact on
    heart disease? Did the lifestyle changes demanded by
    Ornish's programme have a negative impact on the "day- to-
    day quality of life of patients and their families"? Since
    patients, despite the improvement in their arterial
    blockages, still have heart disease, will Ornish's programme
    actually prolong or improve the quality of their lives? And
    were his study groups large enough to allow generalisations
    for other patients?

    To at least some of these questions, anecdotal evidence
    suggests that the answer is yes. Patients on the Ornish
    programme have stated that the lifestyle changes they were
    asked to make improved the quality of their everyday lives
    and their relationships with their families. Citing his own
    experience, Ornish argues that making such changes offers
    such profound rewards that their benefits become
    immediately evident.

    It is interesting that at least some of Ornish's ideas have
    their origins in India, a country where the incidence of
    coronary heart disease is beginning to rise alarmingly due,
    in part, to the adoption of a First World lifestyle by its
    upper middle class and rich. This, in turn, has generated a
    need for growing numbers of specialised medical facilities,
    which at least indirectly pull away monetary resources, such
    as doctors and nurses, that could otherwise be channelled to
    improve the public health system. Ornish has recorded the
    influence that his spiritual teacher Swami Satchidananda's
    ideas on yog, meditation and a low-fat vegetarian diet were
    to have on his own life and the development of his medical
    ideas (see box). Whether one takes the spiritual aspects of
    Ornish's work seriously or not, the scientific evidence does
    make clear that there are now options other than the purely
    technological to prevent and treat coronary heart disease.

    Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the
    educational purposes of research and open discussion.

    Jai Maharaj mantra.comjai Om Shanti

    Quoted message said:

    "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]>
    wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Dr. Jai Maharaj said:


    Special Report: Pioneers of Medicine

    Attacking the heart attack

    By Avery Comarow U.S.News & World Report Monday, July
    12, 2004

    It's hard to remember that a heart attack was once a
    death sentence. These days, nearly 4 out of 5 heart
    attack victims survive.

    ... if they make it to a hospital. About two out of
    three don't. And those who do survive are often crippled
    with lifelong heart failure or other debilitating
    symptoms.

    Quoted message said:

    Emergency physicians treat them with clotbusting
    medications, their blocked arteries are reopened, and
    they are sent home, loaded down with pills and finger-
    wagging admonitions about diet and exercise, to resume
    the regular rhythms of their lives. It isn't exactly a
    ho-hum script, but it is the one the public has come
    to expect.

    If you are overweight and especially if you have
    metabolic syndrome (MetS), also expect to be told that
    you must safely lose weight permanently.

    Enter the 2PD approach:

    heartmdphd.comwtloss.asp

    (doctor supervision required).

    Quoted message said:

    Yet less than 50 years ago, well within many baby
    boomers' lifetimes, physicians did not realize that
    the damage of a heart attack could be minimized and
    even reversed.

    In truth, damage from a heart attack is irreversible.
    Dead heart muscle cells do not come back or regrow.

    Quoted message said:

    Indeed, it wasn't until 1960 that a research team at
    Northwestern University, led by pathologist Robert
    Jennings, used experiments with several dozen dogs to
    demonstrate that radical idea.

    A heart attack happens when there is an infarct, or
    sudden loss of blood flow, to part of the heart's
    muscular wall--hence heart attack's technical name,
    myocardial infarction. The Jennings team placed a
    block in one of the coronary arteries, which supply
    blood to the heart muscle, for various periods of time
    and then removed the blockage. Team members found that
    the blood- starved tissue could be saved if
    circulation to the area was restored soon enough.

    If restored soon enough, *less* heart muscle dies.

    Quoted message said:

    Timing is everything. And "soon enough" didn't . . .

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    Thanks for the post.

    You remain in my prayers, neighbor.

    May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior,
    someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
    boundless riches of His everlasting kingdom.

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    The terrorist mission of Jesus stated in the Christian
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    and the daughter against her mother, and the
    daughter in law against her mother in law. "And a
    man's foes shall be they of his own household.
    - Matthew 10:34-36.

    How people react to Christ is of and according to their
    own respective free wills. He, His Father in heaven,
    and the Holy Spirit are One and what God has made,
    which is everything, He can unmake according to His
    will and plan.

    Christ teaches from Matthew 10:

    32"Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also
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    law against her mother-in-law-- 36a man's enemies will
    be the members of his own household.'37"Anyone who loves
    his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me;
    anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not
    worthy of me; 38and anyone who does not take his cross
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  5. Gymmy Bob said:

    Why can heart muscle tissue not repair somewhat when every
    other part of your body can?

    In truth, the brains, lungs, and kidneys can't either.

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    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, "Gymmy
    Bob" <[email hidden]> posted:

    Quoted message said:

    Why can heart muscle tissue not repair somewhat when
    every other part of your body can?

    I posted the following in 1999 about reversing heart
    disease:

    [ From: Dr. Jai Maharaj [ Subject: REVERSING HEART DISEASE
    - Interview: Dr. Dean Ornish [ Date: March 14, 1999

    Your response does not seem to address the question asked.
    Your response addresses reopening narrowed arteries. The
    poster asked about heart muscle.

    Bill

  7. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, "Gymmy
    Bob" <[email hidden]> posted:

    Quoted message said:

    Why can heart muscle tissue not repair somewhat when
    every other part of your body can?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I posted the following in 1999 about reversing heart
    disease:

    [ From: Dr. Jai Maharaj [ Subject: REVERSING HEART
    DISEASE - Interview: Dr. Dean Ornish [ Date: March
    14, 1999

    REVERSING HEART DISEASE - Interview: Dr. Dean Ornish

    By Praveen Swami in Mumbai Medicine Frontline March 13-
    26, 1999 Vol. 16, No. 6

    A matter of lifestyle

    A U.S. cardiac surgeon, recently on a tour of India,
    generates interest with his theory that intensive
    changes in diet and lifestyle are more effective than
    surgical procedures in fighting, and even reversing,
    heart disease.

    Cardiac patients surrounded by banks of equipment,
    popping expensive pills, facing surgery and confronted
    by the prospect of huge medical bills have one other
    discomforting thought to engage with: the treatment they
    are getting might not actually be helping them in the
    larger term.

    For years, cardiac surgeon Dean Ornish was something of
    a priest pitted against the priesthood. Drastic changes
    in what patients ate and how they lived their lives, he
    argued, would be far more effective than cutting them
    open on the surgical table. Now, as evidence for his
    proposition has become near-irrefutable, the rewards are
    pouring in. Author of five books, two of them best-
    sellers, Ornish has shown that an extremely low-fat
    diet, moderate exercise, stress management techniques
    such as yog and meditation, quitting smoking and
    building more loving relationships can actually reverse
    heart disease. He has become something of a celebrity,
    with his work being featured in major magazines in the
    United States.

    Ornish's scepticism about conventional handling of heart
    disease dates back to the time when he was with the
    legendary surgeon Michael DeBakey. In patients with
    coronary heart disease, the flow of blood to the heart
    becomes restricted. Arteries taking blood to the heart
    can become blocked, a phenomenon known as
    atherosclerosis. Also, constricted blood cells can form
    clots. The end result is that the heart becomes starved
    for oxygen. Chest pains and full-scale heart attacks
    follow. Caused by a high-fat diet, nicotine, stress and
    other factors, coronary heart disease was for long
    believed to be irreversible. Surgery to bypass clogged
    arteries, and techniques such as angioplasty, were seen
    as the only options.

    However, such procedures rarely solved the problem.
    "Bypass surgery," Ornish said in his 1990 book Reversing
    Heart Disease, "became for me a metaphor for the
    inadequacy of treating a problem without also addressing
    the underlying causes. We would operate on patients,
    their chest pain would usually go away, and they were
    told that they were cured. Most would go home and
    continue to do the same things that led to the problem
    in the first place. They would smoke, eat a high-fat,
    high-cholesterol diet, manage stress poorly, and lead
    sedentary lives." More often than not they would end up
    in hospital again.

    Early research conducted by Ornish and others suggested
    that lifestyle interventions could not only stop the
    progress of coronary heart disease, but actually lead to
    the reversal of the condition. In one pilot study
    carried out in 1977 by Ornish, a group of 10 patients
    marked tremendous improvement in just one month. But to
    most doctors, the idea that very low-fat diets and
    exercise could actually reduce coronary blockages was
    arrant nonsense. Finally, with $600,000 he had collected
    as grants, Ornish moved to Sausalito in the U.S. to set
    up his Preventive Medical Research Institute. He began
    studies on 48 patients, made up of two groups. One
    followed his recommendations and the other received
    conventional treatment.

    Dr. Dean Ornish. The cardiac surgeon has shown that a
    low-fat diet, yog and meditation can reverse heart
    disease. Photo by Vivek Bendre.

    Medical evidence that Ornish's programme does work
    steadily built up from there. In 1990 Ornish reported in
    the medical journal Lancet that a group of 28 patients
    who had been following his programme for one year showed
    a measurable reversal of the blockages in their coronary
    arteries. The other group of 20 patients who had been
    following relatively conventional dietary guidelines,
    typical of those recommended by the American Heart
    Association (AHA), did not benefit from Ornish's
    exercise programme, counselling, instruction in stress
    reduction, or help in stopping smoking. The condition of
    patients in the second group by and large got worse.

    This suggested at the very least that the conventional
    treatment of heart disease did not really help patients.
    In papers published in 1992 and in 1993, Ornish
    described the progress of his patients over time. Twenty-
    two patients who had followed his programme for four
    years showed, on an average, less blockage in their
    arteries and improved blood flow to their hearts. The
    condition of 18 patients who were treated in the
    conventional way worsened. They showed increased
    blockages in their arteries after four years than after
    one year, and less blood flow to their hearts: and this
    despite the medical treatment they were receiving.

    In an article in the December 16, 1998 issue of the
    Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA),
    Ornish and his colleagues spelled out the long-term
    benefits of their strategy further. Patients in an
    experimental group, who made intensive changes in diet,
    exercise, stress management and other lifestyle factors,
    showed a higher reversal of coronary heart disease over
    five years than those who had followed the programme for
    just one year. By contrast, patients in the control
    group, who had followed the advice of their physicians,
    suffered from a further narrowing of blood vessels, a
    process called stenosis, compared to what they had at
    the outset. This was despite the fact that unlike the
    experimental group more than half of the patients had
    taken medication.

    The original one-year trials showed that patients who
    made intensive lifestyle changes reduced their LDL
    ("bad"😉 cholesterol levels by 37.2 per cent. Further,
    the extent of narrowing of the blood vessels was not
    pronounced in their case. Those patients from the
    original group who chose to participate in the five-year
    study were put on Ornish's 10-per-cent-fat vegetarian
    diet, asked to stop smoking, undergo stress management
    training and begin moderate aerobic exercise. None of
    them received lipid-lowering drugs, while 60 per cent of
    the patients in the control group were prescribed such
    medication. Angiograms were conducted at the end of the
    five- year period for both groups.

    The experimental group patients, the JAMA article
    records, saw a 91 per cent reduction in heart pain after
    one year and a further 72 per cent reduction after five
    years. The conventionally treated control group patients
    had exactly the opposite experience. They reported a 186
    per cent increase in the frequency of chest pain during
    the first year of treatment, and a mere 36 per cent
    reduction after five years. Significantly, the reduction
    of LDL cholesterol levels in the experimental groups was
    comparable with those obtained by lipid-lowering drugs
    in patients who were mobile. Narrowing of blood vessels
    in patients in the experimental group showed an
    improvement of 7.9 per cent after the five-year period,
    while patients of the control group recorded a worsening
    of 27.7 per cent.

    "These findings," Ornish and his colleagues argue in
    their JAMA article, "support the feasibility of
    intensive lifestyle changes in delaying, stopping or
    reversing the progression of coronary artery disease in
    ambulatory patients over prolonged periods." The authors
    conclude: "In summary, these ambulatory patients were
    able to make and maintain comprehensive changes in diet
    and lifestyle for five years and showed even more
    regression of coronary atherosclerosis after five years
    than after one year as measured by per cent diameter
    stenosis. In contrast, patients following more
    conventional lifestyle recommendations showed even more
    progression of coronary atherosclerosis after five years
    than after one year and had more than twice as many
    cardiac events as patients making comprehensive
    lifestyle changes."

    Doctors performing a bypass surgery. Lifestyle changes
    are just as effective as, if not more effective than,
    surgical procedures in fighting heart disease. Photo by
    K. Ananthan.

    If intensive lifestyle changes are just as effective as,
    if not more effective than, surgical procedures in
    fighting heart disease, they are also considerably
    cheaper. Consider the case of lovastatin, a drug used to
    lower cholesterol levels. A study published in JAMA in
    1998 suggested that lovastatin could also prevent heart
    ailments, not just cure patients. A research was
    conducted on more than 6,500 men and women with
    cholesterol levels normal for Americans. Those who took
    lovastatin cut their risk of heart attacks and angina by
    37 per cent. Antonio Gotto, Dean of Cornell University's
    Weill Medical College, the study's lead author,
    suggested that the drug would benefit the six to seven
    million people in the U.S. who are considered "normal"
    under medical guidelines.

    Perhaps lovastatin would benefit such people, but so
    would intensive lifestyle changes. One important
    difference is that a year's worth of lovastatin costs
    between $900 and $1,800 per person. Then, researchers
    estimate that a group of 1,000 people treated for five
    years would have only 12 fewer heart attacks. Simply
    cutting back on LDL cholesterol would reduce heart
    disease at no real cost, in turn saving money on
    possible hospitalisation and surgical intervention.
    Although Ornish is at pains to make clear that
    medication and surgery can help those most desperately
    in need of immediate help, giving up smoking, exercising
    more and eating low-fat diets clearly work better for
    most patients.

    The results of Ornish's programme are forcing important
    components of the U.S. health apparatus to pay
    attention. Bypass surgery is a $26-billion operation in
    that country, and the bulk of the costs are borne by
    insurance companies. Forty insurance companies, Newsweek
    magazine reported (March 16, 1998), now support Ornish's
    programme as an alternative to surgery. If a bypass
    surgical procedure in the U.S. costs about $50,000,
    Ornish's year-long programme of classes and group
    meetings, administered by 11 hospitals, costs just
    $7,500.

    Ornish's findings are being received with growing
    enthusiasm, but some sections of the U.S. medical
    establishment are less than convinced by the
    effectiveness of his methods. On the Web site, the
    powerful AHA appears to suggest that many patients may
    not be able to follow Ornish's strict regimen. "It's not
    clear," the AHA states, "how many heart disease patients
    could adhere to a treatment plan such as Dean Ornish's
    on a long-term basis, and how many could benefit from
    such a programme. If diet and exercise alone do not
    enable patients to reach the goals they set with their
    doctors, then medication will be required. And for some
    people, surgery will be needed."

    Ornish's research, the AHA believes, "has shown that,
    with a motivated patient population willing to follow
    the regimen and a skilled group leader able to inspire
    adherence to it, significant benefits on lesion progress
    can be achieved." But, it says, many questions remain.
    For one, which component of the lifestyle changes had
    the most impact on heart disease? Did the lifestyle
    changes demanded by Ornish's programme have a negative
    impact on the "day- to-day quality of life of patients
    and their families"? Since patients, despite the
    improvement in their arterial blockages, still have
    heart disease, will Ornish's programme actually prolong
    or improve the quality of their lives? And were his
    study groups large enough to allow generalisations for
    other patients?

    To at least some of these questions, anecdotal evidence
    suggests that the answer is yes. Patients on the Ornish
    programme have stated that the lifestyle changes they
    were asked to make improved the quality of their
    everyday lives and their relationships with their
    families. Citing his own experience, Ornish argues that
    making such changes offers such profound rewards that
    their benefits become immediately evident.

    It is interesting that at least some of Ornish's ideas
    have their origins in India, a country where the
    incidence of coronary heart disease is beginning to rise
    alarmingly due, in part, to the adoption of a First
    World lifestyle by its upper middle class and rich.
    This, in turn, has generated a need for growing numbers
    of specialised medical facilities, which at least
    indirectly pull away monetary resources, such as doctors
    and nurses, that could otherwise be channelled to
    improve the public health system. Ornish has recorded
    the influence that his spiritual teacher Swami
    Satchidananda's ideas on yog, meditation and a low-fat
    vegetarian diet were to have on his own life and the
    development of his medical ideas (see box). Whether one
    takes the spiritual aspects of Ornish's work seriously
    or not, the scientific evidence does make clear that
    there are now options other than the purely
    technological to prevent and treat coronary heart
    disease.

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    Quoted message said:

    Your response does not seem to address the question asked.
    . . . Bill

    So? What do you think this is -- a class, courtroom or an
    interrogation facility?

    Jai Maharaj mantra.comjai Om Shanti

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    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Your response does not seem to address the question
    asked. . . . Bill

    So? What do you think this is -- a class, courtroom or an
    interrogation facility?

    Jai Maharaj mantra.comjai Om Shanti

    umm. None of the above. But hopefully a place where if
    someone asks a question they do not get a random response
    that has nothing to do with the question as an answer.

    Bill

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Your response does not seem to address the question
    asked. . . . Bill

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    So? What do you think this is -- a class, courtroom or an
    interrogation facility?

    Quoted message said:

    umm. None of the above. But hopefully a place where if
    someone asks a question they do not get a random
    response that has nothing to do with the question as an
    answer. Bill

    Seek medical advice from a duly trained and licensed (in
    your jurisdiction) health care professional who has examined
    you in person.

    Jai Maharaj mantra.comjai Om Shanti

  10. "Dr. Jai Maharaj" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    In article
    <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:

    Quoted message said:


    > Your response does not seem to address the question
    > asked. . . . Bill

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    So? What do you think this is -- a class, courtroom or
    an interrogation facility?

    Quoted message said:

    umm. None of the above. But hopefully a place where if
    someone asks a


    question

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    they do not get a random response that has nothing to do
    with the question


    as

    Quoted message said:
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    an answer. Bill

    Seek medical advice from a duly trained and licensed (in
    your jurisdiction) health care professional who has
    examined you in person.

    Jai Maharaj mantra.comjai Om Shanti

    So if I understand you correctly, it is the original
    questioner who is at fault for asking a question here. Not
    you, for providing an answer that suggested a lack of
    understanding of what the question was. Correct?

    Bill

  11. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote in message

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    In article
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    Quoted message said:

    Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:

    >
    > > Your response does not seem to address the
    > > question asked. . . . Bill

    Quoted message said:

    > So? What do you think this is -- a class, courtroom
    > or an interrogation facility?

    Quoted message said:

    umm. None of the above. But hopefully a place where if
    someone asks a


    question

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    they do not get a random response that has nothing to
    do with the question


    as

    Quoted message said:
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    an answer. Bill

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Seek medical advice from a duly trained and licensed (in
    your jurisdiction) health care professional who has
    examined you in person.

    Quoted message said:

    So if I understand you correctly, it is the . . .

    Read again:

    Seek medical advice from a duly trained and licensed (in
    your jurisdiction) health care professional who has examined
    you in person.

    Jai Maharaj mantra.comjai Om Shanti

  12. "Dr. Jai Maharaj" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    In article <[email hidden]>,

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    Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    In article
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    > Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
    >
    > >
    > > > Your response does not seem to address the
    > > > question asked. . . .


    Bill

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
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    >> So? What do you think this is -- a class, courtroom
    >> or an interrogation facility?

    > umm. None of the above. But hopefully a place where
    > if someone asks a


    question

    Quoted message said:

    > they do not get a random response that has nothing
    > to do with the


    question

    Quoted message said:
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    as

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    > an answer. Bill

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Seek medical advice from a duly trained and licensed
    (in your jurisdiction) health care professional who
    has examined you in person.

    Quoted message said:

    So if I understand you correctly, it is the . . .

    Read again:

    Seek medical advice from a duly trained and licensed (in
    your jurisdiction) health care professional who has
    examined you in person.

    Jai Maharaj mantra.comjai Om Shanti

    I did.

    So if I understand you correctly, it is the original
    questioner who is at fault for asking a question here. Not
    you, for providing an answer that showed a lack of
    understanding of what the question was. Correct?

    Bill

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