How [censored] are these?

Martin Wilson said:

Just wondering if anyone has experience of these either
good or bad?

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Without knowing the weight, I'd steer clear.

Zog The Undeniable said:

Without knowing the weight, I'd steer clear.

I'd be inclined to steer clear in any case. I remember
watching a TV prog once on an advanced driving course given
by racing and rally drivers. Point #1 was "a good car with
bad tyres is a bad car", and I think the same will go for
bikes. Spend a few more pennies and you can have something
Serious from Vredestein, Schwalbe, Michelin, Specialized
etc. which almost certainly *will* do a better job. And
"better job" from a tyre means potentially safer, faster,
less punctures, longer lasting and better handling. Saving a
tenner (or even two) on them just strikes me as a clear
false economy.

Pete.
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In my experience, such as it is High Gear products are not
at all bad for the price. Example having run my Giant ATB
using good quality Michelin's that have proved to be
useless, compared to my Marin that has cheap yes Hi Gears
fitted when used in muddy conditions. As for weight hell
what is a few grams compared to the average weight of an
average rider. Ray

Martin Wilson said:

Just wondering if anyone has experience of these either
good or bad?

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I've not tried them but I can tell from the tread pattern
that they wouldn't be very good on road, if that's what you
want to use them for. Better would be Schwalbe City Jet @
£23.99 inc tubes & postage from www.wiggle.co.uk

Note that Hi Gear is a "rebrand" name, not a manufacturer as
such. I've seen certain seemingly identical products
(including inner tubes) rebranded with various names,
including Hi Gear.

I've had a failure with a Hi Gear inner tube at the valve
bonding. But to be fair, that's something that can happen
with expensive brands as well sometimes.

~PB

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Quoted message said:

In my experience, such as it is High Gear products are not
at all bad for the price. Example having run my Giant ATB
using good quality Michelin's that have proved to be
useless, compared to my Marin that has cheap yes Hi Gears
fitted when used in muddy conditions. As for weight hell
what is a

few

Quoted message said:

grams compared to the average weight of an average
rider. Ray

I agree - I've no direct experience with this particular
product, but Hi Gear equipment is usually reliable, if a
bit basic. I suspect it depends what you want to use these
tyres for, but if it's just for hacking about, I'd give
them a try.

In article <[email hidden]>, Pete Biggs

Quoted message said:

I've had a failure with a Hi Gear inner tube at the valve
bonding. But to be fair, that's something that can happen
with expensive brands as well sometimes.

In which case why mention it?

I have used several hundred Hi Gear inner tubes with
no problems.

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in message <[email hidden]>, Martin Wilson

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Just wondering if anyone has experience of these either
good or bad?

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1&catalogId=1751&productId=86245

They may not be [censored] at all. But I would be very wary. You
can get perfectly good name brand tyres from your LBS for
not much more.

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On 3/7/04 8:05 pm, in article
[email hidden], "Simon Brooke"

Quoted message said:

Weight is one of the first priorities for a cyclist
anywhere but Holland and Leicestershire (and other very
very flat places). And weight in the tyres is the worst
place to have it because it adds to the rotating mass,
affecting acceleration, braking and handling.

I had economised by buying som H****ords own brand tyres.
After a few hundred miles one developed a lump, noticeable
when riding. This gradually expanded till the tyre blew. Not
impressed. Replaced both with Schwalbe city jet which have
proved to be a lot better. So far they barely show wear
despite many hundreds of miles.

Next slicks will be Nokian AWS purely because the tread
pattern is so cool..

..d

Sandy Morton said:

Quoted message said:

I've had a failure with a Hi Gear inner tube at the valve
bonding. But to be fair, that's something that can happen
with expensive brands as well sometimes.

In which case why mention it?

Because I don't think it happens with *all* brands.

Quoted message said:

I have used several hundred Hi Gear inner tubes with no
problems.

Jolly good, but they may not have all been made by the same
manufacturer, just rebranded "Hi Gear".

~PB

in message <[email hidden]>, David Martin

(') said:

Next slicks will be Nokian AWS purely because the tread
pattern is so cool..

Oh wow! <URL:http://www.nokiantyres.com/bike/images/aws.jpg>
I might just _need_ a pair of those...

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Pete Biggs said:

I've had a failure with a Hi Gear inner tube at the valve
bonding. But to be fair, that's something that can happen
with expensive brands as well sometimes.

Sure can. I have had an excessive number of failures with
specialized inner tubes, ranging from the failure above to
the actual (presta) valve inner stem blowing out on first
use. I'm quite happy to give cheap, no-name brands a go as
they can't be worse than my experience with specialized.

Pete

Ningi said:

Sure can. I have had an excessive number of failures with
specialized inner tubes, ranging from the failure above to
the actual (presta) valve inner stem blowing out on first
use. I'm quite happy to give cheap, no-name brands a go as
they can't be worse than my experience with specialized.

Pete

Similar experience. The only bit theat Spec seem to
contribute is the red & black box though, so you might as
well buy generics. Me.... I've had so many "lightweight"
tubes explode that I've decided to stick with Raleigh bog
standard ones - it just galls me to spend so much on a
"light" pair of wheels, and have to use "heavy" tubes to
improve my average speed :-)

Cheers, Chris

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Quoted message said:

I have had an excessive number of failures with specialized
inner tubes, ranging from the failure above to the actual
(presta) valve inner stem blowing out on first use.

I use Michelin tubes and have never had a problem with them.

Guy
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"severel hundred" Why? Are you sure you dont have problems?

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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Pete Biggs

Quoted message said:

I've had a failure with a Hi Gear inner tube at the
valve bonding. But to be fair, that's something that can
happen with expensive brands as well sometimes.

In which case why mention it?

I have used several hundred Hi Gear inner tubes with no
problems.

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bob watkinson said:

"severel hundred" Why? Are you sure you dont have
problems?

Sandy has a bicycle hire business, and he'd know if he
was dealing with false economies because of the large
sample base.

OTOH though inner tubes are often much of a muchness stuff I
think you can get ahead by getting tyres from Big Names
where I think you do get what you pay for and for best
performance I'd sooner take a Schwalbe than a Noname remould
or the like.

Pete.
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Quoted message said:

"severel hundred" Why? Are you sure you dont have
problems?

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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Pete Biggs

Quoted message said:

I've had a failure with a Hi Gear inner tube at the
valve bonding. But to be fair, that's something that
can happen with expensive brands as well sometimes.

In which case why mention it?

I have used several hundred Hi Gear inner tubes with no
problems.

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Village millport.netmillport.netOpen ↗

Keep up at the back - Sandy runs a bike hire business.

JBB

Peter Clinch said:

bob watkinson said:

"severel hundred" Why? Are you sure you dont have
problems?

Sandy has a bicycle hire business, and he'd know if he
was dealing with false economies because of the large
sample base.

OTOH though inner tubes are often much of a muchness stuff
I think you can get ahead by getting tyres from Big Names
where I think you do get what you pay for and for best
performance I'd sooner take a Schwalbe than a Noname
remould or the like.

Pete.

The biggest difference I find between the cheap and more
expensive inner tubes (apart from thickness and weight) is
the cleanness of the moulding lines which can make a big
difference if you want to patch and the hole in near a
moulding line.

Tony

Simon Brooke said:

And as Sandy's already says he doesn't bother to repair
tubes paying extra for this would not benefit him at all.

No but it might benefit someone 50 miles from home with a
puncture or even save one of Sandy's customers a long walk
back with a bike.

Tony

Tony Raven said:

No but it might benefit someone 50 miles from home with a
puncture or even save one of Sandy's customers a long walk
back with a bike.

Most people (or so I thought) who mend punctures do it at
home after getting home on their spare tube though...

Pete.
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