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  1. PARIS, France -- World time trial champion David Millar of
    Britain was Thursday placed under judicial investigation for
    illegal possession of toxic products, his lawyer said.

    Millar told a court west of Paris he had used the banned
    blood booster erythropoietin (EPO), a fact he admitted
    during 48 hours of police custody last week.

    "Millar said he used EPO during 'treatment' outside France
    in 2001 and 2003. He had a total of three treatment sessions
    in one week," lawyer Paul-Albert Iwens said.

    Judge Richard Pallain brought charges against no one else in
    the affair and the 27-year-old rider was released with no
    restrictions on his freedom of movement, Iwens added.

    After his court appearance, Millar refused comment on his
    cycling future, saying only that now was not the right time
    to talk about it.

    Full article at
    edition.cnn.comcycling.millar

    Regards! Stephen

  2. Steve McGinty said:

    Judge Richard Pallain brought charges against no one else
    in the affair and the 27-year-old rider was released with
    no restrictions on his freedom of movement, Iwens added.

    It would be nice to see them go after the people who supply
    the stuff, even if they aren't as famous...

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  3. "Steve McGinty" <[email hidden]> wrote
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    Quoted message said:

    "Millar said he used EPO during 'treatment' outside France
    in 2001 and 2003. He had a total of three treatment
    sessions in one week," lawyer Paul-Albert Iwens said.


    Damn he must have popped over to Guipuzcoa to take it. So
    why did he take the empties back to Biarritz with him?

    Later Dan Gregory

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  4. "Steve McGinty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    PARIS, France -- World time trial champion David Millar of
    Britain was Thursday placed under judicial investigation
    for illegal possession of toxic products, his lawyer said.

    Millar told a court west of Paris he had used the banned
    blood booster erythropoietin (EPO), a fact he admitted
    during 48 hours of police custody last week.

    "Millar said he used EPO during 'treatment' outside France
    in 2001 and 2003. He had a total of three treatment
    sessions in one week," lawyer Paul-Albert Iwens said.

    Judge Richard Pallain brought charges against no one else
    in the affair and the 27-year-old rider was released with
    no restrictions on his freedom of movement, Iwens added.

    After his court appearance, Millar refused comment on his
    cycling future, saying only that now was not the right
    time to talk about it.

    Full article at
    edition.cnn.comcycling.millar

    Regards! Stephen

    Why would a cyclist use EPO? It's my understanding that the
    same results (increased hematocrit) can be achieved with so-
    called "altitude tents".

    GG

  5. It's time for this funboy to retire. Let's see if his next
    employer will tolerate his quirky views of the world.

  6. [email hidden] (David N. Welton) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Steve McGinty said:

    Judge Richard Pallain brought charges against no one
    else in the affair and the 27-year-old rider was
    released with no restrictions on his freedom of
    movement, Iwens added.

    It would be nice to see them go after the people who
    supply the stuff, even if they aren't as famous...

    Now there's something you think they could do... shouldn't
    these containers have a batch number or something and they
    could track these.

  7. "Dan Gregory" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Steve McGinty" <[email hidden]> wrote
    in message

    Quoted message said:

    "Millar said he used EPO during 'treatment' outside
    France in 2001 and 2003. He had a total of three
    treatment sessions in one week," lawyer Paul-Albert
    Iwens said.


    Damn he must have popped over to Guipuzcoa to take it. So
    why did he take the empties back to Biarritz with him?

    Maybe he wanted the deposit back on the empties.

  8. "Steve McGinty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    PARIS, France -- World time trial champion David Millar of
    Britain was Thursday placed under judicial investigation
    for illegal possession of toxic products, his lawyer said.

    Millar told a court west of Paris he had used the banned
    blood booster erythropoietin (EPO), a fact he admitted
    during 48 hours of police custody last week.

    "Millar said he used EPO during 'treatment' outside France
    in 2001 and 2003. He had a total of three treatment
    sessions in one week," lawyer Paul-Albert Iwens said.

    Judge Richard Pallain brought charges against no one else
    in the affair and the 27-year-old rider was released with
    no restrictions on his freedom of movement, Iwens added.

    After his court appearance, Millar refused comment on his
    cycling future, saying only that now was not the right
    time to talk about it.

    Nah, he will wait for another hi profile rider to get caught
    so the spotlight won't be so bright on him and then he will
    offer some kind of lame condolences or analysis of *that*
    rider's situation.

    What else could make this the wrong time to talk about it?
    He needs to say something before he shows his sorry butt at
    a UCI event.

    Quoted message said:

    Full article at
    edition.cnn.comcycling.millar

    Regards! Stephen

  9. "Richard Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (David N. Welton) wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Steve McGinty said:

    Judge Richard Pallain brought charges against no one
    else in the affair and the 27-year-old rider was
    released with no restrictions on his freedom of
    movement, Iwens added.

    It would be nice to see them go after the people who
    supply the stuff, even if they aren't as famous...

    Now there's something you think they could do... shouldn't
    these containers have a batch number or something and they
    could track these.

    They do, but it would not very likely point to the actual
    black marketer. All they would know is where and when it
    was manufactured and any legal distribution. After that,
    the trail would end but at least they could start an
    investigation and they likely do. I am sure if they catch
    anyone we will hear about it. Don't hold your breath. Those
    guys that steal the stuff generally know how to avoid
    getting caught and they assume the containers *will* be
    found. It is not normally some pharmacist that went bad but
    that has happened too and when it did we heard about it. I
    believe some of the Benelux cases included the entire
    supply chain. Most illicit cases involve international
    shipping (as something else) and are not likely to lead to
    any arrests just because the end user gets caught. Some
    times the suppliers get caught too, and we just never know
    they are linked with end users that are suspected or
    caught. If they really want to treat this as if it is a
    really serious crime on the level of schedule 1 drugs, they
    could set up a sting operation or send in deep cover
    agents, but let's get real. These athlete cases are not
    really a concern to the general public in any way (except
    in regions where sports betting is allowed and even then,
    this is pretty trivial) so let's not expect too much more
    than we get these days. The busts are mostly driven by the
    muck raking journos that publicize suspicious circumstances
    and give the local police a virtual road map to the bust. I
    am not even sure how I feel about the "war on (serious
    schedule 1) drugs" and I would prefer to let the sports
    governing orgs handle investigations and sactions.

  10. Steve McGinty said:

    PARIS, France -- [snip]

    "Millar said he used EPO during 'treatment' outside France
    in 2001 and 2003. [snip]

    Funny how those ampules were IN France.

  11. Quoted message said:

    From: "GaryG" garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com

    Quoted message said:

    Why would a cyclist use EPO? It's my understanding that the
    same results (increased hematocrit) can be achieved with
    so-called "altitude tents".<<

    Nope.

    "It was the greatest hoax that has ever been
    perpetrated." Richard M. Nixon, discussing the Warren
    Commission Report, May 15, 1972 " [It] is the most
    bizarre conspiracy in the history of the world. It'll
    come out at a future date." Jack Ruby

  12. Richard Adams said:
    Steve McGinty said:

    PARIS, France -- [snip] "Millar said he used EPO during
    'treatment' outside France in 2001 and 2003. [snip]

    Funny how those ampules were IN France.

    Right man.

    You got it. It's the lousy Douaniers who are the
    missing link.

    They confiscate the stuff inbound at the borders then peddle
    it off to make a few extra Francs.

    There oughta be a law against it 🙂

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  13. David N. Welton said:
    Steve McGinty said:

    Judge Richard Pallain brought charges against no one else
    in the affair and the 27-year-old rider was released with
    no restrictions on his freedom of movement, Iwens added.

    It would be nice to see them go after the people who
    supply the stuff, even if they aren't as famous...

    I thought Gaumont (who millar refered to as a 'nutter'😉 said
    that Millar was supplying it to his teammates.

  14. David Off said:
    David N. Welton said:
    Steve McGinty said:

    Judge Richard Pallain brought charges against no one
    else in the affair and the 27-year-old rider was
    released with no restrictions on his freedom of
    movement, Iwens added.

    It would be nice to see them go after the people who
    supply the stuff, even if they aren't as famous...

    I thought Gaumont (who millar refered to as a 'nutter'😉
    said that Millar was supplying it to his teammates.

    This probably has a lot to do with Millar's silence of
    late. Using the stuff is considered sporting fraud, a crime
    in many coutries of europe, which could land his butt in
    jail. Trafficking it is a separate crime, which could also
    land his butt in jail. Too bad he can't strike a plea deal
    to rat on Gaumont, though he could always finger the people
    he got it from, assuming he doesn't find his body full of
    holes in a bin someday, because his pals didn't appreciate
    his candor.

  15. "Dan Gregory" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Steve McGinty" <[email hidden]> wrote
    in message

    Quoted message said:

    "Millar said he used EPO during 'treatment' outside
    France in 2001 and 2003. He had a total of three
    treatment sessions in one week," lawyer Paul-Albert
    Iwens said.


    Damn he must have popped over to Guipuzcoa to take it. So
    why did he take the empties back to Biarritz with him?

    Later Dan Gregory

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    It is my understanding that he succomb to the using EPO in
    2001 and 2003 but in 2004 he had a renewed faith that he
    could make it without the drugs. Kind of like an alcholic
    keep the bottle from the last beer he drank. As reminder and
    a motivator.

  16. Chris said:

    They do, but it would not very likely point to the actual
    black marketer. All they would know is where and when it
    was manufactured and any legal distribution. After that,
    the trail would end but at least they could start an
    investigation and they likely do. I am sure if they catch
    anyone we will hear about it. Don't hold your breath.
    Those guys that steal the stuff generally know how to
    avoid getting caught and they assume the containers *will*
    be found.

    In the US, the unregulated nature of transporting and
    distributing drugs has been a huge problem. Drugs haven't
    been able to be traced back to the producer. They change
    hands from distributer to distributer many times in the
    worst cases. Only in the last two years has the FDA realized
    this and are working actively towards a solution.

    Injectables are the easiest drugs to tamper with. The "grey
    marketeer" can easily dilute the drug, or replace it
    completely, and get the profit on all the diluted product,
    from the pharmacy, with labels they made on a pc. They could
    just as easily pull off half of the injectable drug, dilute
    the rest, sell the full strength stuff on the black market,
    and pass on the diluted stuff to another distributer. I saw
    it all on TV and I confirmed it on the internet, so I know
    it's all true. Seriously, though, innocent people are
    getting hurt:

    biopsychiatry.comfake drugs.html

    "Doctors couldn't explain why the medicine they were giving
    Tim Fagan wasn't working. The 16-year-old boy had been
    rushed to New York University Medical Center for an
    emergency liver transplant last February.

    Fagan was given daily injections of a drug called Epogen to
    treat severe anemia. But his red blood cell count wasn't
    improving. And there was another mystery: Shortly after each
    injection, the young patient was getting severe and painful
    muscle cramps.

    After two months of treatments, Fagan and his family
    received shocking news. The version of the drug he had
    received was counterfeit. The small vials contained only one-
    twentieth the amount of active ingredient the label
    indicated.

    "This wasn't a drug someone bought on the street," but
    rather from a major national pharmacy chain, said Eric
    Turkewitz, a New York lawyer who is representing the Fagans
    in a pending lawsuit. "The family never thought for a moment
    that it was anything but real."

    It wasn't. Somewhere between the drug's manufacture and its
    arrival at the pharmacy, counterfeiters had taken low-dose
    vials and relabeled them as high-dose versions. The weaker
    drug sells for $22 a bottle. The high-strength bottle
    fetches $445. An estimated 110,000 bogus bottles reached the
    market without raising suspicions. Investigators say the
    counterfeit scheme may have netted criminals a staggering
    $48 million."

    pubs.acs.org8145drugs.html

    ..."Tragically, some of the drugs that have been particular
    targets of counterfeiters are expensive products designed
    for the sickest patients. Recently, for example, counterfeit
    Procrit, an antianemia drug, placed at risk patients
    severely ill with cancer and AIDS, and counterfeit Epogen
    caused grave medical complications for organ transplant
    recipients and patients with end-stage kidney disease."

    usatoday.com2003
    05-14-fakedrug-cover_x.htm

    "As more high-priced prescription medications hit the
    market, they are proving irresistible to counterfeiters, who
    have successfully slipped fake, mislabeled and mishandled
    drugs into U.S. pharmacies. Some examples: • Investigators
    have seized vials of anemia treatments Procrit and Epogen
    containing 20 times less active ingredient than labeled.

    • AIDS patients who rely on Serostim to prevent muscle
    wasting have fallen ill after injecting a fake..."

    List of the most likely drugs to be counterfieted or
    tampered with:

    nabp.netslsdp.pdf

    Official FDA stance and course of action (note, dated
    Feb 2004, so none of this is likely to be implemented
    for a while):

    fda.govreport02 04.h
    tml

    Quoted message said:

    These athlete cases are not really a concern to the
    general public in any way (except in regions where sports
    betting is allowed and even then, this is pretty trivial)
    so let's not expect too much more than we get these days.

    Nope. Innocent people are getting hurt.

  17. "Steve McGinty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    PARIS, France -- World time trial champion David Millar of
    Britain was Thursday placed under judicial investigation
    for illegal possession of toxic products, his lawyer said.

    Millar told a court west of Paris he had used the banned
    blood booster erythropoietin (EPO), a fact he admitted
    during 48 hours of police custody last week.

    "Millar said he used EPO during 'treatment' outside France
    in 2001 and 2003. He had a total of three treatment
    sessions in one week," lawyer Paul-Albert Iwens said.

    Apparently he has implicated the current medical director of
    Euskaltel - that took care of his "medical program" in 2001
    ans 2002. This doctor did not show up today in France for
    the TdF presentation (maybe he thought he could get busted).
    If this allegations are confirmed and the samples taken from
    Gorka Gonzalez reveal the use of EPO (apparently his
    hematocrit was 47) Madariaga should resign as the haed of
    the Euskadi foundation and the team should reevalueate the
    objectives of the whole entrerprise.

  18. "gym gravity" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Chris said:

    They do, but it would not very likely point to the
    actual black


    marketer.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    All they would know is where and when it was
    manufactured and any legal distribution. After that, the
    trail would end but at least they could


    start

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    an investigation and they likely do. I am sure if they
    catch anyone we


    will

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    hear about it. Don't hold your breath. Those guys that
    steal the stuff generally know how to avoid getting
    caught and they assume the


    containers

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    *will* be found.

    In the US, the unregulated nature of transporting and
    distributing drugs has been a huge problem. Drugs haven't
    been able to be traced back to the producer. They change
    hands from distributer to distributer many times in the
    worst cases. Only in the last two years has the FDA
    realized this and are working actively towards a solution.

    The laws and enforcement are the responsibility of each
    state in most cases. I don't know about the problems you
    mentioned and I would be interested to know more. The
    companies I have worked with were all headquartered in
    California. You are right in a sense because there is no
    centralized federal database or enterprise system to look at
    what is going on. Some states do a very good job of tracking
    the drugs that are most frequently abused. EPO is not even a
    pimple in the scope of issues that these againcies have to
    be concerned about. I think in some cases the lot number
    would reveal the last legal recipient and in others it would
    be difficult to trace beyond where and when the drug was
    manufactured. The fact is though, that most products that
    are regulated by the FDA are manufactured by companies that
    have a very high motivation to track production and
    distribution, but not always to the point of the end user
    (or patien). In summary, it is worth looking in to in cases
    like Millars but there are no guarantees that it will help
    identify who was involved in allowing its availability to
    illicit users.

    Quoted message said:

    Injectables are the easiest drugs to tamper with. The
    "grey marketeer" can easily dilute the drug, or replace it
    completely, and get the profit on all the diluted product,
    from the pharmacy, with labels they made on a pc. They
    could just as easily pull off half of the injectable drug,
    dilute the rest, sell the full strength stuff on the black
    market, and pass on the diluted stuff to another
    distributer. I saw it all on TV and I confirmed it on the
    internet, so I know it's all true. Seriously, though,
    innocent people are getting hurt:

    OK, so you know this has happened but how often? I don't
    think this is a widespread problem, but I could be wrong.
    Your point about injectables vs. tablets and capsules is a
    valid one.

    Quoted message said:


    biopsychiatry.comfake drugs.html

    "Doctors couldn't explain why the medicine they were
    giving Tim Fagan wasn't working. The 16-year-old boy had
    been rushed to New York University Medical Center for an
    emergency liver transplant last February.

    Fagan was given daily injections of a drug called Epogen
    to treat severe anemia. But his red blood cell count
    wasn't improving. And there was another mystery: Shortly
    after each injection, the young patient was getting severe
    and painful muscle cramps.

    After two months of treatments, Fagan and his family
    received shocking news. The version of the drug he had
    received was counterfeit. The small vials contained only
    one-twentieth the amount of active ingredient the label
    indicated.

    "This wasn't a drug someone bought on the street," but
    rather from a major national pharmacy chain, said Eric
    Turkewitz, a New York lawyer who is representing the
    Fagans in a pending lawsuit. "The family never thought for
    a moment that it was anything but real."

    It wasn't. Somewhere between the drug's manufacture and
    its arrival at the pharmacy, counterfeiters had taken low-
    dose vials and relabeled them as high-dose versions.

    OK, but are you saying there is no way to investigate and
    catch the culprits? I would say that once the problem is
    discovered, at least some of the people involved in the
    illegal activities are going to get caught.

    The weaker drug sells for $22 a bottle. The

    Quoted message said:

    high-strength bottle fetches $445. An estimated 110,000
    bogus bottles reached the market without raising
    suspicions. Investigators say the counterfeit scheme may
    have netted criminals a staggering $48 million."

    pubs.acs.org8145drugs.html

    ..."Tragically, some of the drugs that have been
    particular targets of counterfeiters are expensive
    products designed for the sickest patients. Recently, for
    example, counterfeit Procrit, an antianemia drug, placed
    at risk patients severely ill with cancer and AIDS, and
    counterfeit Epogen caused grave medical complications for
    organ transplant recipients and patients with end-stage
    kidney disease."

    That is really sad.

    Quoted message said:



    usatoday.com2003
    05-14-fakedrug-co ver_x.htm

    Quoted message said:

    "As more high-priced prescription medications hit the
    market, they are proving irresistible to counterfeiters,
    who have successfully slipped fake, mislabeled and
    mishandled drugs into U.S. pharmacies. Some examples: •
    Investigators have seized vials of anemia treatments
    Procrit and Epogen containing 20 times less active
    ingredient than labeled.

    • AIDS patients who rely on Serostim to prevent muscle
    wasting have fallen ill after injecting a fake..."

    List of the most likely drugs to be counterfieted or
    tampered with:

    nabp.netslsdp.pdf

    Official FDA stance and course of action (note, dated
    Feb 2004, so none of this is likely to be implemented
    for a while):

    fda.govreport02
    _04.html

    Quoted message said:

    These athlete cases are not really a concern to the
    general public in any way (except


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    regions where sports betting is allowed and even then,
    this is pretty trivial) so let's not expect too much
    more than we get these days.

    Nope. Innocent people are getting hurt.

    I agree that the issue of tracking drugs and ensuring their
    integrity is a critical problem. I do not think that
    athletes are creating the motive. I am thinking that the
    criminals are selling to more legal distributors and
    pharmacies than they have actually bought. I concede that
    the information you presented does make a case for that
    possibility though.

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