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  1. Spoooooooooonnnnnnnnnnn menace!

    <url:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/38-
    57567.stm>

    Man cleared of murder with spoon

    A judge had to clear a court after an outburst when a man
    was cleared of murdering another man, by hitting him on the
    head with a dessert spoon. Family and friends of Timothy
    Magee shouted at the jury who returned the not guilty
    verdict at St Albans Crown Court on Thursday.

    Richard Clare, 31, a heroin addict was cleared of murder and
    an alternative charge of manslaughter.

    He was also cleared of causing actual bodily harm to
    another man.

    The court had heard Mr Clare used the spoon to inflict a
    fatal wound on Mr Magee, 38, in a row over a mobile phone on
    28 November last year.

    Mr Clare hit Mr Magee on the back of the head with the spoon
    after he had taken the mobile phone from a third man.

    The spoon's impact ruptured an artery and caused fatal
    bleeding in the area between his skull and brain.

    Self-defence claim

    On the day of the incident, Mr Clare climbed out of a window
    at Vale House Drug Rehabilitation Centre, Hertford and took
    a taxi to disabled James Gibson's home in Blythway House,
    Welwyn Garden City.

    He was not able to collect cash that he thought Mr Gibson
    owed him, but admitted to stealing the man's phone in a bid
    to swap it for some heroin.

    Later, Timothy Magee, an acquaintance of Mr Gibson, joined
    him and tried to get the phone back.

    Mr Clare said he was acting in self defence after being
    butted by Mr Magee and suffering blows from Mr Gibson's
    walking aid.

    The jury was told that Mr Gibson had also died.

    Mr Clare denied murder and causing actual bodily harm to
    James Gibson.

    He admitted stealing the phone and was jailed for seven days
    by Judge Findlay Baker QC. Time spent on remand meant he was
    to be released immediately.

    Guy
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  2. "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Spoooooooooonnnnnnnnnnn menace!

    <url:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/-
    3857567.stm>

    Man cleared of murder with spoon

    A judge had to clear a court after an outburst when a man
    was cleared of murdering another man, by hitting him on
    the head with a dessert spoon.

    On the face of it that sounds a ludicrous charge to bring.
    And yet another triumph for the CPS.

    IIRR to find for murder its necessary to establish "mens
    rea" - that the accused realised there was a reasonable
    likelihood that his actions could result in the death of the
    victim. No sensible person could possibly imagine that
    hitting soemebody one blow on the back of the head with a
    spoon could kill him.

    Possibly if he'd been charged solely with manslaugher and
    abh to begin with, irrespective of any actual sentence
    passed, then the outcome might well have been differnt.

    Curious

    Quoted message said:

    Family and friends of Timothy Magee shouted at the jury
    who returned the not guilty verdict at St Albans Crown
    Court on Thursday.

    Richard Clare, 31, a heroin addict was cleared of murder
    and an alternative charge of manslaughter.

    He was also cleared of causing actual bodily harm to
    another man.

    The court had heard Mr Clare used the spoon to inflict a
    fatal wound on Mr Magee, 38, in a row over a mobile phone
    on 28 November last year.

    Mr Clare hit Mr Magee on the back of the head with
    the spoon after he had taken the mobile phone from a
    third man.

    The spoon's impact ruptured an artery and caused fatal
    bleeding in the area between his skull and brain.

    Self-defence claim

    On the day of the incident, Mr Clare climbed out of a
    window at Vale House Drug Rehabilitation Centre, Hertford
    and took a taxi to disabled James Gibson's home in
    Blythway House, Welwyn Garden City.

    He was not able to collect cash that he thought Mr Gibson
    owed him, but admitted to stealing the man's phone in a
    bid to swap it for some heroin.

    Later, Timothy Magee, an acquaintance of Mr Gibson, joined
    him and tried to get the phone back.

    Mr Clare said he was acting in self defence after being
    butted by Mr Magee and suffering blows from Mr Gibson's
    walking aid.

    The jury was told that Mr Gibson had also died.

    Mr Clare denied murder and causing actual bodily harm to
    James Gibson.

    He admitted stealing the phone and was jailed for seven
    days by Judge Findlay Baker QC. Time spent on remand meant
    he was to be released immediately.

    Guy
    --
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle
    after posting. chapmancentral.co.ukchapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at
    Washington


    University

  3. "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Spoooooooooonnnnnnnnnnn menace!

    <url:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/-
    3857567.stm>

    Man cleared of murder with spoon

    A judge had to clear a court after an outburst when a man
    was cleared of murdering another man, by hitting him on
    the head with a dessert spoon.

    Should have been wearing a h*lm*t.

    --
    Tumbleweed

    email replies not necessary but to contact use;
    tumbleweednews at hotmail dot com

  4. Tumbleweed said:

    Should have been wearing a h*lm*t.


    See, it was on topic after all.

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