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  1. It's official: any of us who are against compulsion are
    irrational, obsessive and offensive, and rely on soundbytes
    taken out of context. Whereas BeHIT, presumably, are a model
    of decorum, and the claim of 28,000 serious injuries which
    later turned out to be under 500 was just a slip. Like the
    doubling of the fatality figures. And so on.

    <url:http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/web/public.nsf/Documen-
    ts/Evening_Post>

    Guy
    --
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after
    posting. chapmancentral.co.ukchapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at
    Washington University

  2. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Just zis Guy said:

    <url:http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/web/public.nsf/Docum-
    ents/Evening_Post>

    Your server appears to be slashdotted...

    ian

  3. On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 12:23:37 +0000 (UTC), Ian G Batten
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message <cc0vo9$kem$1@news-
    out.ftel.co.uk>:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    <url:http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/web/public.nsf/Docu-
    ments/Evening_Post>


    Your server appears to be slashdotted...

    Working from Godalming, apparently.

    Guy
    --
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after
    posting. chapmancentral.co.ukchapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at
    Washington University

  4. On 1/7/04 1:15 pm, in article [email hidden],

    Just zis Guy said:

    It's official: any of us who are against compulsion are
    irrational, obsessive and offensive, and rely on
    soundbytes taken out of context. Whereas BeHIT,
    presumably, are a model of decorum, and the claim of
    28,000 serious injuries which later turned out to be under
    500 was just a slip. Like the doubling of the fatality
    figures. And so on.

    <url:http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/web/public.nsf/Docum-
    ents/Evening_Post>

    You might also want to note that no minister spoke in the
    debate (despite what the letter writer says).

    It's content free 'think of the children' platitudes that
    makes one reach for a bucket..

    ..d

  5. Guy did some magic stuff on his website:

    Quoted message said:



    <url:http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/web/public.nsf/Documen-
    ts/Evening_Post>

    Quoted message said:


    Guy

    Well said Guy!

    I feel that those in favour of compulsion will be unswayed
    by your arguments however, since compulsive H-word wearing
    will most probably not actually affect them personally until
    it becomes compulsory for H-words to be worn in cars. Then
    we can watch the sparks fly!

    Terry Duckmanton (H-word wearer, but anti-compulsion)

  6. in message <[email hidden]>, Just zis Guy,

    you know? (') said:

    It's official: any of us who are against compulsion are
    irrational, obsessive and offensive, and rely on
    soundbytes taken out of context. Whereas BeHIT,
    presumably, are a model of decorum, and the claim of
    28,000 serious injuries which later turned out to be under
    500 was just a slip. Like the doubling of the fatality
    figures. And so on.


    <url:http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/web/public.nsf/Documen-
    ts/Evening_Post>

    Guy, if you have not already sent your draft reply, do not
    send it. Wait, cool down, and try again. Using sarcasm is
    not going to work to your benefit - the passage about the
    cyclesense website will only antagonise most readers. Also,
    if James Annan's analysis of the Sheikh and Beihk paper's
    statistical howler is online anywhere, it would be good to
    refer to it (isn't it on the 'letters page' of the same site
    the paper is on?). That makes you less like a lone
    monomaniac.

    Also, you should redraft your last sentence. For readers who
    believe (as I suspect most uninformed people do) that a
    bicycle helmet does offer protection in collision with a
    car, the point which you need to get across there (and which
    you fail even to allude to) is that a helmet would have made
    no difference at all.

    Finally, is there anyone else here from the Reading area who
    could supplement Guy's reply with a cool but well informed
    response? It would help enormously if there were two
    replies, again making Guy look less like a single-issue
    nutter. I'd write myself, but I don't think a letter from an
    address in Scotland would really help the case.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke)
    jasmine.org.uk~simon

    The Conservative Party now has the support of a smaller
    proportion of the electorate in Scotland than Sinn Fein
    have in Northern Ireland.

  7. "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    in message
    <[email hidden]>, Just zis

    Guy said:

    It's official: any of us who are against compulsion are
    irrational, obsessive and offensive, and rely on
    soundbytes taken out of context. Whereas BeHIT,
    presumably, are a model of decorum, and the claim of
    28,000 serious injuries which later turned out to be
    under 500 was just a slip. Like the doubling of the
    fatality figures. And so on.



    <url:http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/web/public.nsf/Documen-
    ts/Evening_Post>

    Quoted message said:


    Guy, if you have not already sent your draft reply, do not
    send it. Wait, cool down, and try again. Using sarcasm is
    not going to work to your benefit - the passage about the
    cyclesense website will only antagonise most readers.
    Also, if James Annan's analysis of the Sheikh and Beihk
    paper's statistical howler is online anywhere, it would be
    good to refer to it (isn't it on the 'letters page' of the
    same site the paper is on?). That makes you less like a
    lone monomaniac.

    Also, you should redraft your last sentence. For readers
    who believe (as I suspect most uninformed people do) that
    a bicycle helmet does offer protection in collision with a
    car, the point which you need to get across there (and
    which you fail even to allude to) is that a helmet would
    have made no difference at all.

    Finally, is there anyone else here from the Reading area
    who could supplement Guy's reply with a cool but well
    informed response? It would help enormously if there were
    two replies, again making Guy look less like a single-
    issue nutter. I'd write myself, but I don't think a letter
    from an address in Scotland would really help the case.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke)
    jasmine.org.uk~simon

    The Conservative Party now has the support of a smaller
    proportion of the electorate in Scotland than Sinn Fein
    have in Northern Ireland.

    The trick with all letters to newspapers is to keep them
    short. Keep them simple. And keep them snappy. Period.
    Ideally much shorter than the letter you're replying to. The
    original is fairly long and yet it seems to have benefitted
    from careful editing. Basically its telling a massage the
    readers want to hear, and which reinforces their unthinking
    prejudices and assumptions. So you've got your work cut out
    before you even begin.

    Finally your claim "What killed Troy Parker was not failure
    to wear a helmet, but riding a bicycle with broken brakes
    off the pavement into the path of a car. As a parent I know
    what lessons I draw from this incident."

    Has as much chance of getting printed, as do claims that
    Tony Blair is a transvstite. And luckily for you!

    "Grieving parents continue their month long vigil outside
    house of Looney Cycling Campaigner"

    "He accused of us killing our own son, says grieving Mum of
    Three...."

    Police were again called to clear crowds from around the
    house of....

    Curious

    ..

  8. Quoted message said:

    Finally, is there anyone else here from the Reading area
    who could supplement Guy's reply with a cool but well
    informed response? It would help enormously if there were
    two replies, again making Guy look less like a single-
    issue nutter. I'd write myself, but I don't think a letter
    from an address in Scotland would really help the case.

    I could write from Guildford, which is quite close.
    Unfortunately I am not a brilliant letter writer especially
    when I'm steamed up about the content. A letter signed
    "Purple With Rage of Guildford" tends not to have the
    desired impact when compared with carefully thought out
    reasoned argument. I'll give it go though, if you think
    it'll do some good.

    Purple With Rage, Guildford.

    PS Harrumph!

  9. "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    It's official: any of us who are against compulsion are
    irrational, obsessive and offensive, and rely on
    soundbytes taken out of context.

    Guy - it's "sound bite" - the letter you're replying to even
    has it right!

    cheers, clive

  10. On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 13:05:03 GMT, Simon Brooke <[email hidden]>

    wrote in message : said:

    Guy, if you have not already sent your draft reply, do
    not send it.

    All letters get a compulsory 24 hour cooling off period. You
    should have seen the first draft :-D

    Quoted message said:

    Wait, cool down, and try again. Using sarcasm is not going
    to work to your benefit - the passage about the cyclesense
    website will only antagonise most readers. Also, if James
    Annan's analysis of the Sheikh and Beihk paper's
    statistical howler is online anywhere, it would be good to
    refer to it (isn't it on the 'letters page' of the same
    site the paper is on?). That makes you less like a lone
    monomaniac.

    It is on the IP website - along with one from me, I find!

    <url:http://ip.bmjjournals.com/cgi/eletters/9/3/266>

    Guy
    --
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after
    posting. chapmancentral.co.ukchapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at
    Washington University

  11. On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 15:12:32 +0100, "Clive George"

    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    Guy - it's "sound bite" - the letter you're replying to
    even has it right!

    And there was I thinking it was derived from the computer
    term "byte", being a small unit of information.

    Guy
    --
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after
    posting. chapmancentral.co.ukchapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at
    Washington University

  12. "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]>
    wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    It's official: any of us who are against compulsion are
    irrational, obsessive and offensive, and rely on
    soundbytes taken out of context.

    Guy - it's "sound bite" - the letter you're replying to
    even has it


    right!

    Quoted message said:


    cheers, clive

    Dunno.

    For the Web at least, "soundbyte" sounds rather appropriate.

    Curious

  13. "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 15:12:32 +0100, "Clive George"

    Quoted message said:

    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    Guy - it's "sound bite" - the letter you're replying to
    even has it


    right!

    Quoted message said:


    And there was I thinking it was derived from the computer
    term "byte", being a small unit of information.

    Careless thoughts cost lives!

    (In case you think your spelling is correct, no, it's
    nothing at all to do with the computer term "byte" - check
    your dictionary...)

    cheers, clive

  14. "Dr Curious" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]>
    wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    It's official: any of us who are against compulsion
    are irrational, obsessive and offensive, and rely on
    soundbytes taken out of context.

    Guy - it's "sound bite" - the letter you're replying to
    even has it


    right!

    For the Web at least, "soundbyte" sounds rather
    appropriate.

    Maybe - but it's still not normal. More importantly, he's
    used it in a letter intended for other media, and one which
    is intended to be taken seriously.

    cheers, clive

  15. "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Dr Curious" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]>
    wrote in


    message

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "]news:[email hidden]...
    > It's official: any of us who are against compulsion
    > are irrational, obsessive and offensive, and rely on
    > soundbytes taken out of


    context.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Guy - it's "sound bite" - the letter you're replying
    to even has it


    right!

    For the Web at least, "soundbyte" sounds rather
    appropriate.

    Maybe - but it's still not normal. More importantly, he's
    used it in a letter intended for other media, and one
    which is intended to be taken seriously.

    Point taken

    Curious

    Quoted message said:


    cheers, clive

  16. Experimenting with an alternative approach at:

    <url:http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/web/public.nsf/Docu-
    ments/EP2>

    Guy
    --
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after
    posting. chapmancentral.co.ukchapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at
    Washington University

  17. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Simon Brooke said:

    Also, you should redraft your last sentence. For readers
    who believe (as I suspect most uninformed people do) that
    a bicycle helmet does offer protection in collision with a
    car, the point which you need to get across there (and
    which you fail even to allude to) is that a helmet would
    have made no difference at all.

    And I think that blaming the parents for the death of their
    child --- even if it's true --- is unlikely to win neutral
    readers over to your case.

    ian

  18. Ian G Batten said:

    In article <nmedr1-
    [email hidden]>, Simon Brooke

    Quoted message said:

    Also, you should redraft your last sentence. For readers
    who believe (as I suspect most uninformed people do) that
    a bicycle helmet does offer protection in collision with a
    car, the point which you need to get across there (and
    which you fail even to allude to) is that a helmet would
    have made no difference at all.

    Quoted message said:

    And I think that blaming the parents for the death of
    their child --- even if it's true --- is unlikely to win
    neutral readers over to your case.

    A fair comment. Perhaps you should blame the government! Not
    an entirely puerile remark... something along the lines of:

    "although Troy /might/ be with us today had he been wearing
    a cycle helmet, the findings of Britain's leading test
    laboratory suggest it isn't very likely, whereas if the
    government had spent money on well targeted cycle training
    he had had the opportunity to take up he may well not have
    been in the accident in the first place, in which case
    whether or not he wore a helmet would have been immaterial.
    Prevention is better than cure, especially when the 'cure'
    has a dubious track record in curing and prevention has a
    good track record in preventing."

    or something... But don't imply any blame to the parents or
    it'll just hurt the Cause Of Using One's Brain.

    Pete.

    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111
    ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382
    640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net
    [email hidden] dundee.ac.uk~pjclinch

  19. Reply to Just zis Guy, you know?

    Quoted message said:

    Experimenting with an alternative approach at:

    <url:http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/web/public.nsf/Docum-
    ents/EP2>

    Guy

    If I may say so... I still think it's a bit too verbose for
    my own taste, & possibly for editors' as well. I'd be
    tempted to write something along the lines of:

    I don't have the same faith in politicians that Mr
    Watsham has, and compulsory cycle helmets are one issue
    where politicians have got it demonstrably wrong in the
    past: such laws have been tried in several countries, and
    not one country has shown an improvement in cyclist
    safety as a result.

    [That could be tidied up a bit, but at least it *is* putting
    blame on politicians, which should be popular... ;-)]

    Given all the conflicting evidence, I have no option but to
    join the British Medical Association, the Royal College of
    General Practitioners, [*lots* of other knowledgeable
    bodies], the National Cycling Strategy Board and every
    other cycling body in the UK in opposing compulsion. The
    best way to make cycling safer is not to make cyclists wear
    flimsy polystyrene helmets, but to get more people cycling;
    from the experience in other countries, helmet laws achieve
    the opposite effect, with no measurable improvement in
    injury rates.

    Yrs & oblig. - - -

    - and then I'd re-edit and chop another third out of it. :-)

    --
    Mark, UK. We hope to hear him swear, we love to hear him
    squeak, We like to see him biting fingers in his horny beak.

  20. Just zis Guy said:

    Experimenting with an alternative approach at:

    I'd be inclined leave out the extra barb on Sheikh and
    Bheikh for the sake of showing You're Nice and Keeping It
    Snappy. Just summat like "189% effective, clearly an
    impossible number". On the Being Nice front I'd also remove
    the "zealot" bit too. L Watsham may have the IQ of a
    fencepost when it comes to looking objectively at evidence
    but you'd be preaching to the choir as far as winning anyone
    over goes if you say so in print :-(

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111
    ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382
    640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net
    [email hidden] dundee.ac.uk~pjclinch

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