TTT rules

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Quoted message said:

Contrary to what I thought, there is not one single
maximum time loss with regard to the winner for all teams
in the TdF team time trial, but rather there is a whole
ladder of cut-off times for every placed team. Every
placing has its own maximum time loss. Either the team
stays within that limit and gets their real time, or it
doesn't and gets the predetermined maximum time for that
placing. Here are the maximum gaps to the winner:

2. 20"
3. 30" etcetera, +10" for every next team until:
13. 2'10
14. 2'15 etcetera, +5" until:
21. 2'50

So the second team could be 29.9 sec behind and gets +20",
while the 3rd team, finishing just 0.1 sec behind 2nd,
gets no bonus at +30".

I don't think it will change any tactics in the TTT
compared to the one single max time difference, but it
will sure stirr up more what-if discussions during
later stages.

This is the same formula that was used for the TTT of the
1985 Tour. The results were as follows. The real time gaps
are displayed first, followed by the assigned predetermined
time differences (in parentheses).

More data at memoire-du-memoire-du-Open ↗
cyclisme.net/eta_tdf_1984_1993/tdf1985_3.php

VITRE-FOUGERES, 73 km TTT
1. LA VIE CLAIRE-WONDER-RADAR en 1h30'09" (Moy :
48.585 km/h)
2. KWANTUM HALLEN-DECOSOL à 1'00" (10 s)
3. PANASONIC-RALEIGH à 1'03" (20s)
4. PEUGEOT-SHELL-MICHELIN à 1'12" (30 s)
5. CARRERA JEANS-INOXPRAN à 1'22" (40 s)
6. RENAULT-ELF à 1'22" (50 s)
7. LA REDOUTE à 1'24" (1.00)
8. HITACHI-SUNAIR-SPLENDOR à 2'10" (1.10)
9. LOTTO-EDDY MERCKX-CAMPAGNOLO à 2'24" (1.20)
10. SKIL-SEM-KAS à 2'52" (1.30)
11. VERANDALUX-NISSAN-DRIES à 2'52" (1.40)
12. FAGOR à 3'33" (1.50)
13. REYNOLDS-TS BATTERIES à 3'40" (2.00)
14. TÖNISSTEINER-TORHOUT/WERCHTER-BASF-MAVIC à 4'38" (2.10)
15. ZOR à 5'20" (2.20)
16. SANTINI-SELLE ITALIA-CONTI-GALLA à 5'52" (2.30)
17. CAFE DE COLOMBIA-VARTA-MAVIC à 6'24" (2.40)
18. SEAT-ORBEA à 7'19" (2.55)

--
Roy Ellefsen

Roy Ellefsen said:

This is the same formula that was used for the TTT of the
1985 Tour. The results were as follows.

I finally found
letour.frreglement us.pdfOpen ↗ (via Google,
not linked from current site as far as I can see).

Interesting results: one team much better, so all other
teams outside their time limits; everyone gets pushed up the
ladder onto the finely spaced rungs. First team livid. I
don't think we'll see that 1985 scenario this year, the
playing field is more level (allegedly).

I said:

2. 20"
3. 30" etcetera, +10" for every next team until:
13. 2'10
14. 2'15 etcetera, +5" until:
21. 2'50

Hmm, that was from the "Programme Officiel du Tour 2004" (a
publication from the Société du TdF) that I ordered through
journeaux.fr, but the PDF I found on letour.fr says:

20’’ for the 2nd team 30’’ for the 3rd team 40’’ for the 4th
team 50’’ for the 5th team 1’ for the 6th team 1’10 for the
7th team 1’20 for the 8th team 1’30 for the 9th team 1’40
for the 10th team 1’50 for the 11th team 2’00 for the 12th
team 2’10 for the 13th team 2’20 for the 14th team 2’30 for
the 15th team 2’35 for the 16th team 2’40 for the 17th team
2’45 for the 18th team 2’50 for the 19th team 2’55 for the
20th team 3’00 for the 21st team

Maybe there is a reason it's not linked from a current
page...

Ewoud Dronkert said:

I don't think it will change any tactics in the TTT
compared to the one single max time difference, but it
will sure stirr up more what-if discussions during
later stages.

Makes victory less meaningful. Will any serious GC
contending team even try (hard) to win the TTT, or will they
save their horses for the other stages where more time can
be gained or lost?

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a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning
them to fight in what would be an unwinnable urban guerilla war, it
could only plunge that part of the world into ever greater
instability." George Bush Sr. in his 1998 book "A World Transformed"

Quoted message said:

Contrary to what I thought, there is not one single maximum time loss
with regard to the winner for all teams in the TdF team time trial, but
rather there is a whole ladder of cut-off times for every placed team.
Every placing has its own maximum time loss. Either the team stays
within that limit and gets their real time, or it doesn't and gets the
predetermined maximum time for that placing. Here are the maximum gaps
to the winner:

Hey, you've been listening to the Dutch championships
commentary also! Nice win for Dekker (Erik), he's in his "I
just try something and somehow i win"-mode again.

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Quoted message said:

Contrary to what I thought, there is not one single
maximum time loss with regard to the winner for all teams
in the TdF team time trial, but rather there is a whole
ladder of cut-off times for every placed team. Every
placing has its own maximum time loss. Either the team
stays within that limit and gets their real time, or it
doesn't and gets the predetermined maximum time for that
placing. Here are the maximum gaps to the winner:

2. 20"
3. 30" etcetera, +10" for every next team until:
13. 2'10
14. 2'15 etcetera, +5" until:
21. 2'50

So the second team could be 29.9 sec behind and gets +20",
while the 3rd team, finishing just 0.1 sec behind 2nd,
gets no bonus at +30".

I don't think it will change any tactics in the TTT
compared to the one single max time difference, but it
will sure stirr up more what-if discussions during
later stages.

Ewoud Dronkert said:

Maybe there is a reason it's not linked from a
current page...

Actually, it is, otherwise Google wouldn't have found it.
The race -> rules & stakes
letour.comreglement.htmlOpen ↗

It's also interesting that riders that lose contact with
their team get their real time instead of benefitting from
the time limits.

Jenko

Jenko said:

Quoted message said:

Maybe there is a reason it's not linked from a
current page...

Actually, it is, otherwise Google wouldn't have found it.
The race -> rules & stakes
letour.comreglement.htmlOpen ↗

Of course, that was the page I found too, but what I was
trying to imply by "current" was that it was not accessible
from the homepage. It is now; there's a totally different
homepage since today.