Chain skipping

Micheal Artindale said:

My chain was skipping on my middle and high range. I
replaced the chain, and now its reverse.

Sounds like your chain rings/gears are worn.

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6/22/2004
7:57 PM [GMT-8]

Micheal Artindale said:

My chain was skipping on my middle and high range. I
replaced the chain, and now its reverse.

I have a POS bike... but should replaceing a very stripped
chain cause the complete oppisite?

Is it just the chain working its self in?

Any ideas, besides replace bike--- which will be done in
fall, or spring.

Replace cassette and/or chainrings. Cogs and chainrings will
wear to accomodate a worn chain, particularly if the chain
is very worn. Skipping with a new chain is a typical
indication that you waited too long to replace the chain and
now are probably going to have to replace the offending
cassette or ring.

Good read here: sheldonbrown.comchains.htmlOpen ↗
Scroll down to the section on "Chain and Sprocket Wear" for
the specific details.

Depending on size/quality, you can grab a new cassette for
between $20-30 bucks. I know an LBS that will remove your
old one for just $5 too....

Tom

tcmedara said:

Depending on size/quality, you can grab a new cassette for
between $20-30 bucks. I know an LBS that will remove your
old one for just $5 too....

Tom

LOL, here we go... another 100 post flame war.

John M

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Quoted message said:

Micheal Artindale said:

My chain was skipping on my middle and high range. I
replaced the chain, and now its reverse.

I have a POS bike... but should replaceing a very
stripped chain cause the complete oppisite?

Is it just the chain working its self in?

Any ideas, besides replace bike--- which will be done in
fall, or spring.

Replace cassette and/or chainrings. Cogs and chainrings
will wear to accomodate a worn chain, particularly if the
chain is very worn. Skipping with a new chain is a typical
indication that you waited too long to

replace

Quoted message said:

the chain and now are probably going to have to replace
the offending cassette or ring.

are all rings replaceable?

Quoted message said:

Good read here: sheldonbrown.comchains.htmlOpen ↗
Scroll down to

the

Quoted message said:

section on "Chain and Sprocket Wear" for the specific
details.

Depending on size/quality, you can grab a new cassette for
between $20-30 bucks. I know an LBS that will remove your
old one for just $5 too....

My bike is 5 yrs old... well past its life expectancy, is it
worth that much? will my new chain wear to match the worn
sprockets?

Am i screwed? I dont want to spend more money on a
dying bike.

Micheal

"Micheal Artindale" <[email hidden]> wrote
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Quoted message said:

My bike is 5 yrs old... well past its life expectancy, is
it worth that much? will my new chain wear to match the
worn sprockets?

Am i screwed? I dont want to spend more money on a
dying bike.

Micheal

Well you could take this as a learning experience and teach
yourself how to change a cassette... spend a little money..

Eventally your new bike will need to worked on too so might
as well start now.

Maybe your new chain is on backwards. 🙂

"Micheal Artindale" <[email hidden]> wrote
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Quoted message said:

My chain was skipping on my middle and high range. I
replaced the chain,

and

Quoted message said:

now its reverse.

I have a POS bike... but should replaceing a very stripped
chain cause the complete oppisite?

Is it just the chain working its self in?

Any ideas, besides replace bike--- which will be done in
fall, or spring.

Micheal Artindale said:

Quoted message said:

are all rings replaceable?

I can't think of any that aren't at the moment, but someone
may have an example. Usually you should be able to find
replacements.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Good read here: sheldonbrown.comchains.htmlOpen ↗
Scroll down to the section on "Chain and Sprocket Wear"
for the specific details.

Depending on size/quality, you can grab a new cassette
for between $20-30 bucks. I know an LBS that will remove
your old one for just $5 too....

My bike is 5 yrs old... well past its life expectancy, is
it worth that much? will my new chain wear to match the
worn sprockets?

AFAIK, there's no "life exectency" on a bike. There's some
smart folks out there that could probably explain fatigue
and cyclic loading, and how aluminum and steel are different
in a bunch of different ways. Bottom line for a 5 year old
frame -- unless is damaged it's probably okay. Take it to an
LBS if you're not sure. Take a look at rec.bicycles.tech and
you'll see guys asking about parts for bikes 20 and 30 years
old. Unless you've got problems with the frame, a 5 year old
bike should still be quite functional. I have two bikes in
my garage right now that are both pushing 10 years old. Lots
of new parts on both, but they're still both working fine.

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Am i screwed? I dont want to spend more money on a
dying bike.

You're not screwed at all. New rings and cassette are
cheaper than a new bike. If you want a new bike because the
old one doesn't serve your needs then by all means upgrade.
If you just think it's "time" for a new one, then you need
to filter out the marketing hype and ask yourself what you
really want.

Good luck!

Tom

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

My bike is 5 yrs old... well past its life expectancy, is
it worth that much? will my new chain wear to match the
worn sprockets?

Am i screwed? I dont want to spend more money on a
dying bike.

Micheal

First, don't listen to anything tcmedera says about
shopping. He's an idiot.

That said, the "bike" is almost certainly okay after 5
years, but much of the drivetrain is probably kicked. It is
very possible that you can't get replacement chainrings (the
ones on the crank) if you're bike is as cheap as you make it
seem. If it's from a toy store or something you might be
screwed, but anything from a bike shop can be
refitted/upgraded. In the rear, your cassette (the group of
gears on the back wheel) is probably worn, and your chain
was certainly trashed. If you wait too long to dump an old
chain you'll wear the cassette in such a way that a new
chain doesn't quite fit - that seems to be the source of
your skipping problem.

If it's been 5 years and you ride a lot, get a nice bike
man. Move up from "guy on bike" to "cyclist." It feels good.
If you take riding real serious, start researching
individual parts and after a few months to a year (it takes
that long) you'll know exactly what you want and can have it
built. If you want a bike for less than $1000 US, however,
hang out at a couple of bike shops until you feel
comfortable in one, then start shopping there. In my
experience the best bang-for-the-buck bikes are Marin and
Specialized, the worst is Trek. By far.

I'm a bit of drivetrain tuning away from having the bike
I've wanted for about a year and a half, and it feels good.
You should know this feeling 🙂

Chris

Chris said:

"Micheal Artindale" <[email hidden]> wrote
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

My bike is 5 yrs old... well past its life expectancy, is
it worth that much? will my new chain wear to match the
worn sprockets?

Am i screwed? I dont want to spend more money on a
dying bike.

Micheal

First, don't listen to anything tcmedera says about
shopping. He's an idiot.

And WTF are you? If you've got a problem with something
I've written, then spell it out rather than just spout
insult. Here's how.....

You call me an idiot then go on to repeat the same advice I
gave him on the age of his bike and the impact of a worn
chain on the rest of the drivetrain. Makes you look stupid,
dumbass, not me.

You then imply he's just a "guy on a bike" and not a real
"cyclist" -- let me guess, you're a recent roadie convert?
Mebbe you should hook up with Danny VO2 and spout nonsense
to each other. You give the man bike advice when you don't
have a clue how much he's willing to spend, where he plans
to ride, or what he wants from his bike. If the only thing
wrong with the man's bike is a worn drivetrain, then maybe
his POS is all he needs to be a real "cyclist."

Main Entry: cy·clist Pronunciation: 'sI-k(&-)l&st
Function: noun
: one who rides a cycle

HTH

Tom

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Quoted message said:

Chris said:

First, don't listen to anything tcmedera says about
shopping. He's an idiot.

And WTF are you? If you've got a problem with something
I've written,

then

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spell it out rather than just spout insult. Here's
how.....

I know how. I told you how much of an idiot you were when
you were [censored] about a bike shop charging you for
service. Pay more attention, or Google before you dig
yourself a deeper hole.

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You call me an idiot then go on to repeat the same advice
I gave him on

the

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age of his bike and the impact of a worn chain on the rest
of the drivetrain. Makes you look stupid, dumbass, not me.

Not quite. You also spouted marketing nonsense about
aluminum vs. steel, threw out a huge chunk of wisdom with
"unless is damaged it's probably okay," failed to address
that he may not be able to find direct replacement
chainrings if his bike is low-end enough, and finished by
advising a guy who says "I dont want to spend more money on
a dying bike" to go get rings and a cassette.

Quoted message said:

You then imply he's just a "guy on a bike" and not a real
"cyclist" -- let me guess, you're a recent roadie convert?

Nope. I'm no racer, I'm no fitness freak, and the closest
I've ever had/do have to road bikes are a 40-year-old 27"
British beater and a Cross-Check I just finished. Anybody
with $100 can be a guy on a bike - "cyclists" are those that
really understand the skills, knowledge, and understanding
required to maintain, operate, and discuss bikes and
bicycling with others. The OP is obviously new,
underinformed, and riding a junk bike - that's not a
cyclist. Just like "musician," "artist," "father," etc., the
word carries more weight than a dictionary can impart.
Playing a guitar does not make you a musician. Putting paint
to a canvas does not make you an artist. Creating a child
does not make you a father. Owning a bike does not make you
a cyclist.

Quoted message said:

Mebbe you should hook up with Danny VO2 and spout nonsense
to each other. You give the man bike advice when you don't
have a clue how much he's willing to spend,

He didn't offer that information, and I included suggestions
ranging thusly: replace individual parts, get a low-end bike
from a real bike shop, build exactly what you want. As those
prices range from $20 for a cheap cassette to $thousands for
a custom build, I say I covered his price range no matter
what it was/is.

Quoted message said:

where he plans to ride, or what he wants from his bike.

I gave him the best advice - find a good LBS he's
comfortable with and talk to them. You, not
understanding how to function in the bike shop,
understandably missed this.

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If the only thing wrong with the man's bike is a worn
drivetrain, then maybe his POS is all he needs to be

a

Quoted message said:

real "cyclist."

All of us at alt.m-b have a crappy bike around. Not everyone
with a crappy bike has a nice bike lying around. Understand
that difference.

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Tom

Chris

"Micheal Artindale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

My chain was skipping on my middle and high range. I
replaced the chain,

and

Quoted message said:

now its reverse.

I have a POS bike... but should replaceing a very stripped
chain cause the complete oppisite?

Is it just the chain working its self in?

Any ideas, besides replace bike--- which will be done in
fall, or spring.

Thanks for all the ideas...

My bike is the low end of the low ended bikes...

If i have to spend money to keep it going till fall.... i
will, but only if i have too.

After riding it for about 2 days it is slowly going away.
I will wait a week, and go see a LBS if its still giving
me problems.

I concider myself a cyclist, not cus i have the bike, the
clothes, or even a helmet when it is not law.... but,
because of the fact that i appreciate all of the kind people
out there that build, and maintain all of the wonderful
trails. I ride them and get better, so if this all doesnt
make me a cyclist... i guess i need to upgrade to a $10,000
bike.....any ideas?

Ride hard.

Micheal

Chris said:

The OP is obviously new, underinformed, and riding a junk
bike - that's not a cyclist.

You sir, are an [censored].

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Chris said:

The OP is obviously new, underinformed, and riding a
junk bike - that's

not

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a cyclist.

You sir, are an [censored].

Thirded"

Shaun aRe

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Chris said:

The OP is obviously new, underinformed, and riding a
junk bike - that's

not

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a cyclist.

You sir, are an [censored].

Thirded"

Me four.
--
Jonesy "expert on what it takes to be a total [censored]"

<Originally posted by Bomba

You sir, are an [censored]. >

Ahhh but not just any [censored]... he's a cyclist [censored]!!!

Jimbo...bring on the clowns...(san)

Chris said:

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Quoted message said:

Chris said:

First, don't listen to anything tcmedera says about
shopping. He's an idiot.

And WTF are you? If you've got a problem with something
I've written, then spell it out rather than just spout
insult. Here's how.....

I know how. I told you how much of an idiot you were when
you were [censored] about a bike shop charging you for
service. Pay more attention, or Google before you dig
yourself a deeper hole.

No hole, dumbass. He asked about why the chain was skipping,
not how to get a freewheel removed in a bike shop. If you
want to call me an idiot for something completely off topic
and from another thread, at least have the courtesy to
explain that to the OP who appears to be -- as you say --
"underinformed." As it stands now, you appear to be doing
overtime with the shovel. But hey, you're the one who turned
this into a hump fest.

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You call me an idiot then go on to repeat the same advice
I gave him on the age of his bike and the impact of a
worn chain on the rest of the drivetrain. Makes you look
stupid, dumbass, not me.

Not quite. You also spouted marketing nonsense about
aluminum vs. steel, threw out a huge chunk of wisdom with
"unless is damaged it's probably okay,

Try the reading comprehension thing there, my boy. What I
said was: "AFAIK, there's no "life exectency" on a bike.
There's some smart folks out there that could probably
explain fatigue and cyclic loading, and how aluminum and
steel are different in a bunch of different ways."

Let me walk you through it -- Steel and aluminum are
different materials, ergo they behave differently. I'm not a
metallurgist, but there is ample literature (as opposed to
marketing hype) about the different properties of metal and
metal fatigue. From what I understand (as an admitted non-
expert), an undamaged steel frame should last nearly
indefinitely, but aluminum has some theoretical limit that
will may eventaully cause a frame to fail even without prior
damage. If I'm wrong, then correct me. Otherwise STFU.
*Bottom line* (as I said before) unless it's damaged (i.e.
cracked, bent, broken, dinged, or otherwise crumpled),
there's little reason to believe there's anything at all
wrong with the frame. The OP should re-assess weather his
bike is really a POS or just needs some TLC, some
adjustments, or some upgrades. On the basis of almost no
information, you're telling the guy to buy a new bike. That
smacks of a marketing nonsense to me.

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" failed to address that he may not be able to find direct
replacement chainrings if his bike is low-end enough, and
finished by advising a guy who says "I dont want to spend
more money on a dying bike" to go get rings and a cassette.

I said -- now stay with me, dumbass -- "I can't think of any
that aren't at the moment, but someone may have an example."
The inference was that there probably are cranks with
unreplaceable rings, but I couldn't think of any at the
time. Got it? Rather than give an example of "low end" bikes
with unreplaceable rings, you merely make an assertion. Well
here's my my factual counter to your ungrounded assertion.
My wife has a 10 year old rigid low end bike, with low-end
cranks, that has replaceable rings. What you failed to
address, dumbass, in your zeal to nitpick was the fact that
the OP could also upgrade the crankset itself if the
individual rings are not replacable. Again, still cheaper
than a new bike.

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You then imply he's just a "guy on a bike" and not a real
"cyclist" -- let me guess, you're a recent roadie
convert?

Nope. I'm no racer, I'm no fitness freak, and the closest
I've ever had/do have to road bikes are a 40-year-old 27"
British beater and a Cross-Check I just finished. Anybody
with $100 can be a guy on a bike - "cyclists" are those
that really understand the skills, knowledge, and
understanding required to maintain, operate, and discuss
bikes and bicycling with others. The OP is obviously new,
underinformed, and riding a junk bike - that's not a
cyclist. Just like "musician," "artist," "father," etc.,
the word carries more weight than a dictionary can impart.
Playing a guitar does not make you a musician. Putting
paint to a canvas does not make you an artist. Creating a
child does not make you a father. Owning a bike does not
make you a cyclist.

WTF made you the keeper of the cycling lexicon? Owning a
bike doesn't make you a cyclist, riding one does. Beyond
that, your comments are just a bunch of elitist [censored]. If
you've never been a roadie, you probably should have been.
You would have found some kindred spirits (with my apologies
to the legions of non-elitist cyclists who ride just for the
sheer joy of it).

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Mebbe you should hook up with Danny VO2 and spout
nonsense to each other. You give the man bike advice when
you don't have a clue how much he's willing to spend,

He didn't offer that information,

But you didn't let that stop you....hahaha, now you might be
on to something.

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and I included suggestions ranging thusly: replace
individual parts, get a low-end bike from a real bike shop,
build exactly what you want. As those prices range from $20
for a cheap cassette to $thousands for a custom build, I
say I covered his price range no matter what it was/is.

Here let me help you remember your own post: Chris wrote:
"If it's been 5 years and you ride a lot, get a nice bike
man. Move up from "guy on bike" to "cyclist." It feels good.
" More marketing nonsense.

I seem to recall it was me who suggested the $20.00
cassette.....Here ya go, just so you don't have to hurt
yourself googling.... tcmedara wrote: "Depending on
size/quality, you can grab a new cassette for between $20-30
bucks. I know an LBS that will remove your old one for just
$5 too...." (note self-deprecating humor)

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I gave him the best advice - find a good LBS he's
comfortable with and talk to them. You, not
understanding how to function in the bike shop,
understandably missed this.

Go back and read the OP. He was looking for "Any ideas,
besides replace bike", of course in your zeal to hump my leg
you lost sight of the whole topic. You gave him a bunch of
[censored] he didn't ask for. I answered his question
regarding why his new chain was skipping.

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If the only thing wrong with the man's bike is a worn
drivetrain, then maybe his POS is all he needs to be a
real "cyclist."

All of us at alt.m-b have a crappy bike around. Not
everyone with a crappy bike has a nice bike lying around.
Understand that difference.

....maybe so, maybe not. And not everyone has one of each.
The OP appears to have *a* bike. Some just have a bike that
they ride - crappy, nice, or otherwise. Understand the
difference?

Keep diggin, son. This is fun to watch....

I think Bomba put it best

Tom