M5 Shockproof 559

[email hidden] (Tom Nicholson) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Anyone ridden the M5 Shockproof 559 yet?

It seems from the M5 page that it comes with sidepulls for
brakes?? No V's. No hope of a Magura rim break.... is it
true?? (Strange specs for what looks like a pretty decent
touring bike.)

Anyway just after impressions from someone whose
ridden one.

Thanks,

Tom

I haven't ridden one. But look at the return side chaintube
on that bike. It's like having a portable amusement ride for
your chain. Bacchetta, RANS, and others who manufacture
recumbents with matching large wheels (559,650,700C) appear
to have taken advantage of the frame configeration to avoid
chaintubes. Air has less friction than plastic, does not
wear out, and is much quieter.

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Anyone ridden the M5 Shockproof 559 yet?

It seems from the M5 page that it comes with sidepulls
for brakes?? No V's. No hope of a Magura rim break....
is it true?? (Strange specs for what looks like a pretty
decent touring bike.)

Anyway just after impressions from someone whose
ridden one.

Thanks,

Tom

I haven't ridden one. But look at the return side
chaintube on that bike. It's like having a portable
amusement ride for your chain. Bacchetta, RANS, and others
who manufacture recumbents with matching large wheels
(559,650,700C) appear to have taken advantage of the frame
configeration to avoid chaintubes. Air has less friction
than plastic, does not wear out, and is much quieter.

Judging by the performance of M5's other bikes I doubt thats
a problem, I have the same configuration on my Optima Baron.
It would be quieter with the tube because without it the
chains would scrape against themselves and I've got several
thousand miles on mine without any real wear.

Neither Rans or Bacchetta use an angled frame like M5 which
is why it is routed it that way, you also see it with
Challenge.

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Judging by the performance of M5's other bikes I doubt
thats a problem, I have the same configuration on my
Optima Baron. It would be quieter with the tube because
without it the chains would scrape against themselves
and I've got several thousand miles on mine without any
real wear.

Neither Rans or Bacchetta use an angled frame like M5
which is why it is routed it that way, you also see it
with Challenge.

I agree, chain routing should not be a problem. But what
about those brakes!! WHY WHY WHY? The only reason I can see
is for the silly monoblade issues.. Will there be enough
power to stop 120kg of bike and rider when touring??

Tom

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Judging by the performance of M5's other bikes I doubt
thats a problem,

I

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have the same configuration on my Optima Baron. It would
be quieter with

the

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tube because without it the chains would scrape against
themselves and

I've

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got several thousand miles on mine without any
real wear.

Neither Rans or Bacchetta use an angled frame like M5
which is why it is routed it that way, you also see it
with Challenge.

I agree, chain routing should not be a problem. But what
about those brakes!! WHY WHY WHY? The only reason I can
see is for the silly monoblade issues.. Will there be
enough power to stop 120kg of bike and rider when
touring??

Tom

My guess is disc brakes would put it over what they wanted
to price it at, I doubt they'd put brakes on any bike they
make that they felt couldn't do the job

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My guess is disc brakes would put it over what they wanted
to price it at, I doubt they'd put brakes on any bike they
make that they felt couldn't do the job

Whoooa there Mark - these guys make great bikes thats
certain.

BUT remember they specked the Baron at 90kg max load!!
Surely they expect some of their customers and their kit to
weigh more than this? How can I trust them to get a brake
type right when they think all their customers are race
bred whippets, no the slightly overloaded reality of
recumbent riders?

I suspect that the brakes are specd that way to make this
bike look 'roadie' and not like a pedestrian load hauling
tourer. Something to trap the Bacchetta crowd I suspect.

My cycnical side also thinks this allows them to price it
below the magic 2000 euro mark.

I'm sure the brakes will stop the bike, but it just seems
a little strange given that this bike would make an
excellent tourer. (well I spose I'm also whinging because
I _want_ it to be the perfect touring bike I've been
searching for ... 🙂

Tom

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My guess is disc brakes would put it over what they
wanted to price it

at, I

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doubt they'd put brakes on any bike they make that they
felt couldn't do

the

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job

Whoooa there Mark - these guys make great bikes thats
certain.

BUT remember they specked the Baron at 90kg max load!!
Surely they expect some of their customers and their kit
to weigh more than this? How can I trust them to get a
brake type right when they think all their customers are
race bred whippets, no the slightly overloaded reality of
recumbent riders?

I guess it's a try it before you buy it. Guessing if it will
work correctly or not just by looking at it won't cut it

(Keeps one from becoming another Lorenzo Love 🙂 )

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I suspect that the brakes are specd that way to make this
bike look 'roadie' and not like a pedestrian load hauling
tourer. Something to trap the Bacchetta crowd I suspect.

I doubt they did it for that reason otherwise they'd have
added discs instead

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My cycnical side also thinks this allows them to price it
below the magic 2000 euro mark.

I'm sure the brakes will stop the bike, but it just seems
a little strange given that this bike would make an
excellent tourer. (well I spose I'm also whinging because
I _want_ it to be the perfect touring bike I've been
searching for ... 🙂

Tom

Problem is since no reviews exist and none of us has tested
it yet we don't know what the bike is capable of

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Anyone ridden the M5 Shockproof 559 yet?

It seems from the M5 page that it comes with sidepulls
for brakes?? No V's. No hope of a Magura rim break....
is it true?? (Strange specs for what looks like a
pretty decent touring bike.)

Anyway just after impressions from someone whose
ridden one.

Thanks,

Tom

I haven't ridden one. But look at the return side
chaintube on that bike. It's like having a portable
amusement ride for your chain. Bacchetta, RANS, and
others who manufacture recumbents with matching large
wheels (559,650,700C) appear to have taken advantage of
the frame configeration to avoid chaintubes. Air has
less friction than plastic, does not wear out, and is
much quieter.

Judging by the performance of M5's other bikes I doubt
thats a problem, I have the same configuration on my
Optima Baron. It would be quieter with the tube because
without it the chains would scrape against themselves
and I've got several thousand miles on mine without any
real wear.

Neither Rans or Bacchetta use an angled frame like M5
which is why it is routed it that way, you also see it
with Challenge.

Actually, if you look at the Optima website you'll see that
the Baron now has the return side of it's chainline routed
with idlers instead of chaintubes. I have a M5 bike, and I
feel that chaintubes are a problem.

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I guess it's a try it before you buy it. Guessing if
it will work correctly or not just by looking at it
won't cut it

Hmm not a reality in the southern Hemisphere I have to make
decisions on reviews.

I await the northern hemisphere reviews with baited breath.

Tom

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Actually, if you look at the Optima website you'll see
that the Baron now has the return side of it's chainline
routed with idlers instead of chaintubes. I have a M5
bike, and I feel that chaintubes are a problem.

True but it still has the top of the chain in a tube which
is how mine is routed, without it the chains would clash.
Obviously I'd have to ride with and without to tell any
difference but if one exists I doubt I'd feel it. A more
common fix is to remove that idler which improves efficiency
although turning is more of a problem, I've kept mine on for
that reason.

Which M5 do you have?

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I am interested in the Shokproof as a touring bike, and
had the chance to see it at Cycle Vision. They had two
versions on the stand: -The CrMo 559 with mono blade an
side pull brakes -The Titanium 559 with Magura
hydraulic brakes

At this moment they do not offer front suspension, but you
can use most 26? suspension forks. This makes it possible
to use a front disk brake.

Well sounds like the titanium might just be the one I need
then - But I think its specd with lower load capacity.

Or as you suggest use the CrMo with with a normal front fork
and disc setup.

How was the chin line on the version with a two bladed fork
(titanium)? Did it rub on the shoulder of the fork?

Tom