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  1. Hi all,

    I have a cupoardful of Nepalese and Tibetan spices here (well-
    traveled friend). I have several recipes for dishes from
    these countries, but have cooked them all several times. I
    ate at a Tibetan and Nepalese restaurant not long ago and
    failed to write down the names of any of the dishes... but I
    know I haven't made any of them. No matter how much
    searching I do with a wide variety of search terms, I can
    still only find the same few recipes out there. Surely there
    must be more posted SOMEWHERE! Sure, I may not find the lamb
    stew or the chicken over noodles they had at the restaurant,
    or even the chicken wings or the dipping sauces, but surely,
    surely there must be more available than what I already
    have. Can anyone either point me in that direction or send
    me recipes you may have? Likewise Bhutan, or anywhere else
    in the general region.

    Thank you,

    Katrina

    So far, I have recipes for:

    Tibet: Chasha Shamdeh (chicken) Churu (cheese) Chicken
    Chow Chow Kongpo Shaptak (beef) Mar Jasha (chicken) Meat
    Thukpa Momo

    Nepal: Bandhel Tareko (wild boar/pork) Chhewyala (lamb)
    Chicken Bhutua Chili Chicken Creamy Chicken Gorkhali Lamb
    Gundruk Suruwa (fermented grasses) Lentils and Curried
    Vegetables Momo (lamb and veggie, also have Sherpa recipe)
    Naram Kukhura ko Masu (chicken) Spiced tea Yoh-mari (pastry)

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  2. "White Monkey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I have a cupoardful of Nepalese and Tibetan spices here
    (well-traveled friend). I have several recipes for dishes
    from these countries, but have cooked them all several
    times. I ate at a Tibetan and Nepalese restaurant not
    long ago and failed to write down the names of any of the
    dishes... but I know I haven't made any of them. No
    matter how much searching I do with a wide variety of
    search terms, I can still only find the same few recipes
    out there. Surely there must be more posted SOMEWHERE!
    Sure, I may not find the lamb stew or the chicken over
    noodles they had at the restaurant, or even the chicken
    wings or the dipping sauces, but surely, surely there
    must be more available than what I already have. Can
    anyone either point me in that direction or send me
    recipes you may have? Likewise Bhutan, or anywhere else
    in the general region.

    Try searching at Dogpile: www.dogpile.com -- it's a
    metasearch engine. I found more sites than I could shake a
    stick at when searching for "tibetan recipes," "nepalese
    recipes," and "bhutanese recipes." It's also useful to keep
    in mind that the food you had at the restaurant may not have
    been "authentic," and that "authentic cuisine" can be many
    things, from being cooked by a person of that nationality
    (I'm American, therefore everything I cook is American food)
    or traditional dishes (I'm American, but I'm learning to
    cook traditional Danish food).

    -j

  3. White Monkey said:

    No matter how much searching I do with a wide variety of
    search terms, I can still only find the same few recipes
    out there.

    Perhaps you should try Google; on my first attempt, I found
    numerous sites with recipes from Tibet and Nepal. google.comsearch
    8&oe=UTF-8&q=%28tibet%2Cnepal%29+recipes

    I only looked at a couple of the sites; but the second one I
    looked at had a lot of recipes from Nepal:
    nepalhomepage.comrecipes.html

  4. White Monkey said:

    Can anyone either point me in that direction or send me
    recipes you may have? Likewise Bhutan, or anywhere else in
    the general region.

    You are likely to get more info by asking on alt.food.asian.
    Also, blacksalt semi-regularly posts a list of Asian food
    links to that newsgroup with, among others, Bhutanese and
    Nepalese recipe Web sites. The list can also be found at <vsack.bei.t-vsack.bei.t-
    online.de/afa_faq.html>.

    Victor

  5. "LAllin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    White Monkey said:

    No matter how much searching I do with a wide variety of
    search terms, I can still only find the same few recipes
    out there.

    Perhaps you should try Google; on my first attempt, I
    found numerous sites with recipes from Tibet and Nepal.


    google.comsearch
    8&oe=UTF-8&q=%28tibet%2Cnepal%29+recipes

    Quoted message said:


    I only looked at a couple of the sites; but the second one
    I looked at had


    a

    Quoted message said:

    lot of recipes from Nepal:
    nepalhomepage.comrecipes.html

    Interesting! I've BEEN using Google, but only looked briefly
    yesterday before posting after looking for days a few week
    ago. I can only guess this page has been greatly expanded
    since I pulled some recipes off it a long time ago. Thank
    you! --Katrina

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  6. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I have a cupoardful of Nepalese and Tibetan spices here
    (well-traveled friend). I have several recipes for
    dishes from these countries, but have cooked them all
    several times. I ate at a Tibetan and Nepalese
    restaurant not long ago and failed to write down the
    names of any of the dishes... but I know I haven't made
    any of them. No matter how much searching I do with a
    wide variety of search terms, I can still only find the
    same few recipes out there. Surely there must be more
    posted SOMEWHERE! Sure, I may not find the lamb stew or
    the chicken over noodles they had at the restaurant, or
    even the chicken wings or the dipping sauces, but
    surely, surely there must be more available than what I
    already have. Can anyone either point me in that
    direction or send me recipes you may have? Likewise
    Bhutan, or anywhere else in the general region.

    Try searching at Dogpile: www.dogpile.com -- it's a
    metasearch engine. I found more sites than I could shake a
    stick at when searching for "tibetan recipes," "nepalese
    recipes," and "bhutanese recipes." It's also useful to
    keep in mind that the food you had at the restaurant may
    not have been "authentic," and that "authentic cuisine"
    can be many things, from being cooked by a person of that
    nationality (I'm American, therefore everything I cook is
    American food) or traditional dishes (I'm American, but
    I'm learning to cook traditional Danish food).

    -j

    Thank you very much. I'm looking "now"!

    The food there WAS authentic, by the way--my friend who goes
    to Nepal twice a year recommended the place as run by
    friends of hers who used to cook authentic food in Nepal and
    their friend who used to cook in Tibet, before moving to
    Europe, but I do know the pitfalls of "authentic" food
    versus "traditional" versus "inspired" versus "style"...
    when doing an illustration project here I had a lesson in
    this when my Eritrean friend took me to every Eritrean
    restaurant in the city and discussed the finer points of
    every recipe. Through him I also have the only English-
    language fully authentic Eritrean cookbook ever produced--it
    was put out many years ago by the Eritrean Department of
    Agriculture for domestic use. (Anyone know where I can order
    real berbere? My friend brings it once a year or so but half
    a kilo only goes so far.... Likewise, anyone know a European
    source of tej flour? He can't bring that.) --Katrina

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  7. "Victor Sack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    White Monkey said:

    Can anyone either point me in that direction or send me
    recipes you may have? Likewise Bhutan, or anywhere else
    in the general region.

    You are likely to get more info by asking on
    alt.food.asian. Also, blacksalt semi-regularly posts a
    list of Asian food links to that newsgroup with, among
    others, Bhutanese and Nepalese recipe Web sites. The list
    can also be found at <vsack.bei.t-vsack.bei.t-
    online.de/afa_faq.html>.

    Victor

    Thanks! --Katrina

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  8. White Monkey said:


    (Anyone know where I can order real berbere? My friend
    brings it once a year or so but half a kilo only goes so
    far.... Likewise, anyone know a European source of tej
    flour? He can't bring that.) --Katrina


    TEff? I'd look in health food stores, although these
    may be different in 'Yurp. Berbere, to me, is quite
    hot. Half a kilo?? You must like lots of hot food.
    Also, Berbere is a mixture, with each hausfrau having
    her own recipe. A quick google revealed:
    marga.orgberbere.html but is
    doesn't look as hot as the berbere I've used before.
    HTH blacksalt

  9. Quoted message said:
    White Monkey said:


    (Anyone know where I can order real berbere? My friend
    brings it once a year or so but half


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    kilo only goes so far.... Likewise, anyone know a
    European source of tej flour? He can't bring that.) --
    Katrina


    TEff? I'd look in health food stores, although these may
    be different in 'Yurp.

    No, tej. It's aparrently not the same stuff, and is made
    from a grain that only grows in Ethiopia and Eritrea. So
    says this cookbook.

    Quoted message said:

    Berbere, to me, is quite hot. Half a kilo?? You must like
    lots of hot food. Also, Berbere is a mixture, with each
    hausfrau having her own recipe. A quick google revealed:
    marga.orgberbere.html but is
    doesn't look as hot as the berbere I've used before. HTH
    blacksalt

    Thanks, yes, it's a mix, different from village to village,
    family to family... I have showed some of the online recipes
    to my Eritrean friend and he laughed his head off. He said
    maybe with a good dehydrator and many, many days on my hands
    to dry the onions properly before powdering them with the
    right basic minimum ingredients in the right order I may
    someday achieve something like a simple berbere.... The
    stuff he brings is made by his family, usually, but the
    recipe from a village down the road is to die for. Every
    time I think about trying to get some from a restaurant
    locally, my friend makes a derisive noise, except about one
    restaurant, which doesn't sell it because their source
    doesn't make a lot per year. I will look at this link, though--
    even improper Eritrean food, with one of my mocked-up
    attempts at berbere, can be very good.

    It IS hot, but not usually as hot as it is sometimes made. I
    can put away spicy food just fine, finding all Kung Pao
    Chicken from restaurants, for example, to be very mild, no
    matter how spicy I order it, but my husband likes lots of
    crisped Thai Bird's Eye chilis all over his food, and chomps
    them down happily. His stomach-upset problems went away as
    soon as he started eating something really hot at least
    every other night. Tonight we'll be having a rendang, but I
    haven't decided which one. I cannot keep up with him, but I
    can keep him happy.

    The reason berbere goes so fast is that some dishes, like
    Doro Wot, at least the Eritrean version, require half a cup
    of berbere. Learning to cook this food means I can only do
    it in short spurts because I run out quickly, and have to
    wait for more.

    Thank you very much,

    Katrina

    P.S.--noticing your handle, can you recommend some recipes
    that exploit black salt? I have a ton of black salt
    rocks here, and a salt grinder, and have been using it
    in various curries and whatnots, but have heard that
    there are good recipes out there that really rely on it.

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  10. White Monkey said:

    P.S.--noticing your handle, can you recommend some
    recipes that exploit black salt? I have a ton of
    black salt rocks here, and a salt grinder, and have
    been using it in various curries and whatnots, but
    have heard that there are good recipes out there that
    really rely on it.


    It is used in raita....good tangy yogurt watered down
    alittle and mixed well it, say, blacksalt, pepper, a touch
    of regular salt and shreded cucumber or onion that has been
    soaked in water awhile to mellow it. It is also used in
    Chaat recipes, the snacks based on a platter with fried
    channa flour chips (or twists), some spiced yogurt and some
    tamarind sauce flavoured with blacksalt. Try googling chaat.
    And here is a post of days past with pakora and dips, one
    with blacksalt, and making a pretty good sauce for chaat:
    <begin paste>: Vegetable Pakoras (we always double it for
    parties) 1 1/2 C chickpea flour or besan (can get at Indian
    groc. or in bulk sections of many of the larger grocery
    stores, or in co-ops)
    3/4 teas salt
    4/2 teas baking soda
    5/4 teas (generous) of turmeric (this helps you decide when
    it's done)
    6/2 teap ground cumin
    7/2 teas ground coriander (for these two, I added a teas +
    of my garam masala...which has a healthy bit of both of
    these as a base)
    8/4 teas whole ajwain or cumin. (We always use the
    ajwain...it gives an unusual undertone, and is a cheap
    seed that stores well...available at Penzey's)
    9/4 teas ground black pepper (we do this coarsely)
    10/4 teas cayenne....(we add 1/2 or MORE...very important
    says tall TJ) She says sift, but we don't, just break up
    the clumps of besan and mix well with a fork. It travels
    very well in this form, and water can be added at the
    party. Beat in 1 1/4 C water until you have a smooth,
    thin batter. Heat oil (we use peanut and do it in a small
    flat bottomed Peking-style wok, but a big wok or a kardhi
    or a cast iron skillet (deep) would do fine) between 350F
    and 375F (We usually guess...should fry the stuff without
    exploding when the food goes in) Cut a potato into 1/8
    inch rounds, an onion ditto,
    11/2 a sweet potato ditto, trim 16 string beans (oh these
    are good), 16 cauliflower florets, and some New Mexican
    chilis, or hot Italian. We also did zucchini strips,
    whole garlic cloves (peeled) and slices of turnip. Dip in
    batter and fry about 7 minutes until they get a dark
    golden. Drain and eat. The little tiny blobs of batter
    that drip into the oil can be drained and put into raita
    or into kardi (the chickpea 'soup'😉.

    Now for the chutneys, the red one, the brown one and the
    green one. Usha's Hot and Spicy Hyderabadi Tomato Chutney
    (M. Jaffrey say that this perky relish can be kept in the
    fridge to brighten up almost any meal...I can taste it
    on eggs) A pound of ripe toms peeled and chopped
    (About 1 3/4 C) 1 teaspoon grated ginger 1 teas mashed
    garlic pulp
    1/2 teas turmeric
    2/4 teas cayenne Put this in a bowl and reserve

    Heat 4 T oil (I used Mustard and only 2 T) Add 4 whole,
    peeled cloves of garlic and brown lightly. Add 1 teas
    cumin seed
    3/2 teas balck mustard seed
    4/4 teas whole fenugreek seed stir once and then add 2
    whole dried hot red peppers (I used one big tein tsin)
    HAVE THE FAN ON When the peppers have darkened and puffed
    up, add the reserved mixture above and don't breath the
    blast of steam. Cook, stirring a bit 10+ minutes until
    the mixture is 'dry' but not panting. Add 1/2 teas or so
    salt (ours needed 1 teas) and serve warm or chilled.

    Tamarind-mint Chutney This I make exactly how she says: 1
    heaping T EACH of chopped cilantro and chopped mint 2 T
    chopped GUR (or brown sugar) (again, this is a cheap
    ingredient that keeps, and will make your Indian food more,
    well, 'Indian'.)
    5/4 " peice of ginger minced
    6/4 teas kala namak (black salt...very cheap and
    keeps well)
    7/3 cup tamarind paste (I use the compressed bricks...break
    off about a cup of the brick and soak in enough warm
    water to cover and then some. Break the material up into
    small peices in the water and let soak at least 15
    minutes. Rub the muck into a strainer with the back of a
    spoon, being sure to scrape a spoon on the bottom of the
    mesh to capture the thick muck.)
    8/8 teas ground pepper, fine this time
    9/8-1/4 teas cayenne 1 teas ground roasted cumin...place
    raw cumin seeds in a fry pan and heat over medium,
    shaking now and then (use no oil) until they darken and
    smell toasty. Grind in a mortar or under a rolling pin.

    Place all of the above in a blender and puree (I use the one
    cup attachment on the Oster Blender).

    Mint Chutney (the green one) Although Jaffrey has a recipe,
    we've never added the yougurt.
    10/4 C cilantro chopped and firmly packed
    11/2 C mint chopped and firmly packed -2 seranno chiles (I
    do seed these for fine texture) minced 1 T of lemon juice
    12/2 teas salt (half of this if you use no chile I would
    gamble) Puree in blender as above. She add 3/4 C of
    yougurt which would make a significantly different dish

    The three chutney's above can be made well ahead, and the
    three colours, I think everyone will admit, were very
    nice together.

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    The three chutney's above can be made well ahead, and the
    three colours, I think everyone will admit, were very nice
    together.

    MMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you very much!

    (Speak of the devil, referring to upthread, my friend just
    called and said he just got back from a trip to see friends
    and family and has brought me berbere.)

    --Katrina

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    2 T chopped GUR (or brown sugar) (again, this is a cheap
    ingredient that keeps, and will make your Indian food
    more, well, 'Indian'.)

    I meant to ask, if I can't find this, is Gula Djawa an
    acceptable substitute? I have that in liquid and slabs.
    Thanks, Katrina

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    "kalanamak" wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    2 T chopped GUR (or brown sugar) (again, this is a cheap
    ingredient that keeps, and will make your Indian food
    more, well, 'Indian'.)

    I meant to ask, if I can't find this, is Gula Djawa an
    acceptable substitute? I have that in liquid and slabs.
    Thanks, Katrina

    I googled this and came up with only sites in a language you
    are much better at than I. Luckly, in paranthesis, one said
    palmsukar and the other Javanese sukar. I'm betting it would
    do fine, although I don't know what liquid palm sugar would
    be. Basically, gur is like very dark brown sugar with a
    touch of molasses in it. The ex said it was cane syrup
    boiled down and boiled down and stirred with a big wooden
    paddle in a huge cast iron vat until this was left, but you
    must remember he is describing this from a memory cast into
    the mind of a young child over 30 years ago. HTH blacksalt
    Obanimal sob story: the ex stopped by to give me a DVD of
    the Young Ones last night and my (used to be our) dog
    whimpered and cried and leapt up and kissed his face,
    something I've never seen her do before. He was clearly
    embarressed by this display, and I was amazed than dear dog
    would act so sad. I've only heard her cry like this twice
    before, both in very stressful moments.

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    Quoted message said:
    White Monkey said:


    "kalanamak" wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    2 T chopped GUR (or brown sugar) (again, this is a
    cheap ingredient


    that

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    keeps, and will make your Indian food more, well,
    'Indian'.)

    I meant to ask, if I can't find this, is Gula Djawa an
    acceptable substitute? I have that in liquid and slabs.
    Thanks, Katrina

    I googled this and came up with only sites in a language
    you are much better at than I. Luckly, in paranthesis, one
    said palmsukar and the other Javanese sukar. I'm betting
    it would do fine, although I don't know what liquid palm
    sugar would be. Basically, gur is like very dark brown
    sugar with a touch of molasses in it. The ex said it was
    cane syrup boiled down and boiled down and stirred with a
    big wooden paddle in a huge cast iron vat until this was
    left, but you must remember he is describing this from a
    memory cast into the mind of a young child over 30 years
    ago. HTH blacksalt Obanimal sob story: the ex stopped by
    to give me a DVD of the Young Ones last night and my (used
    to be our) dog whimpered and cried and leapt up and kissed
    his face, something I've never seen her do before. He was
    clearly embarressed by this display, and I was amazed than
    dear dog would act so sad. I've only heard her cry like
    this twice before, both in very stressful moments.

    That IS a sob story! Poor pup!

    Gula djawa can also be spelled gula jawa.... Anyway, it's
    a mix of palm and cane sugar refined into molasses-like
    stuff and then pressed into planks, slabs, or balls, or
    left as a granulated sugar. I'm not sure what they do to
    it to keep it flowing in the liquid stuff, but it
    resembles molasses. OK, it does sound like I can use this
    if I can't find gur. Thanks!

    --Katrina

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