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  1. So, the wiggle parcel arrived this morning, containing
    tubes, patches and CO2 cylinders. Which was nice, as it
    arrived as I was just waiting for my GPS box to lock, and I
    grabbed a tube, a cylinder and some patches from the box.
    Which was good, as I had a rear-wheel puncture on the Grand
    Union towpath. I could quickly stick a new tube in, blast it
    with CO2 and continue, with a patched tube, a tube needing
    patching, some patches, another CO2 cylinder, a backup
    handpump and a fistful of patches in my bag.

    At lunchtime I repaired the punctured tube, and I'm a bit
    puzzled by the Tip Top F1 Patches
    (wiggle.co.ukwiggle.co.uk).

    They're black on one side, brown on the other, with the
    brown protrouding slightly. I used one brown to the tube, on
    the grounds that it made most sense to remove the (lightly
    adhereing) foil, bond it to the tube and them remove the
    (firmly attached) clear layer. Was this right? I know, I
    should read the instructions, but they're with the other 90
    patches at home...

    ian

  2. Ian G Batten said:

    They're black on one side, brown on the other, with the
    brown protrouding slightly. I used one brown to the tube,
    on the grounds that it made most sense to remove the
    (lightly adhereing) foil, bond it to the tube and them
    remove the (firmly attached) clear layer. Was this right?
    I know, I should read the instructions, but they're with
    the other 90 patches at home...

    With all patches, foil side faces tube.

    Snipping edges of celophane in advance makes it easy to peel
    it off afterwards.

    ~PB

  3. in message <[email hidden]>, Ian G Batten

    (') said:


    So, the wiggle parcel arrived this morning, containing
    tubes, patches and CO2 cylinders. Which was nice, as it
    arrived as I was just waiting for my GPS box to lock, and
    I grabbed a tube, a cylinder and some patches from the
    box. Which was good, as I had a rear-wheel puncture on the
    Grand Union towpath. I could quickly stick a new tube in,
    blast it with CO2 and continue, with a patched tube, a
    tube needing patching, some patches, another CO2 cylinder,
    a backup handpump and a fistful of patches in my bag.

    At lunchtime I repaired the punctured tube, and I'm a bit
    puzzled by the Tip Top F1 Patches
    (wiggle.co.ukwiggle.co.uk).

    They're black on one side, brown on the other, with the
    brown protrouding slightly. I used one brown to the tube,
    on the grounds that it made most sense to remove the
    (lightly adhereing) foil, bond it to the tube and them
    remove the (firmly attached) clear layer. Was this right?
    I know, I should read the instructions, but they're with
    the other 90 patches at home...

    That's right. Best patches out there, bar none. Mind
    you, you'd be going some to use that many in the rest of
    your life!

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke)
    jasmine.org.uk~simon

    ;; When all else fails, read the
    distractions.

  4. "Ian G Batten" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    So, the wiggle parcel arrived this morning, containing
    tubes, patches and CO2 cylinders. Which was nice, as it
    arrived as I was just waiting for my GPS box to lock, and
    I grabbed a tube, a cylinder and some patches from the
    box. Which was good, as I had a rear-wheel puncture on the
    Grand Union towpath. I could quickly stick a new tube in,
    blast it with CO2 and continue, with a patched tube, a
    tube needing patching, some patches, another CO2 cylinder,
    a backup handpump and a fistful of patches in my bag.

    At lunchtime I repaired the punctured tube, and I'm a bit
    puzzled by the Tip Top F1 Patches
    (wiggle.co.ukwiggle.co.uk).

    They're black on one side, brown on the other, with the
    brown protrouding slightly. I used one brown to the tube,
    on the grounds that it made most sense to remove the
    (lightly adhereing) foil, bond it to the tube and them
    remove the (firmly attached) clear layer. Was this right?
    I know, I should read the instructions, but they're with
    the other 90 patches at home...

    ian

    In my local Pound shop you can buy a puncture repair kit
    with 7 patches of similar appearance, 4 of the round ones*
    two small oblong ones and one big oblong one, two tubes of
    rubber solution two (probably useless) metal tyre levers and
    a useful miniature nutmeg grater thingy to use in place of
    wet and dry. And all in a natty box for £1. Not all pound
    shops are so generous however.

    Curious

    *the patches seem to work as well as do Cure C Cure.
    Although the tubes of rubber solution (all ten of them) are
    as yet unopened.

  5. Quoted message said:

    Snipping edges of celophane in advance makes it easy to
    peel it off afterwards.

    The cellophane has a split in the middle to allow easy
    removal. Phil Brown

  6. Pete Biggs said:


    With all patches, foil side faces tube.

    Snipping edges of celophane in advance makes it easy to
    peel it off afterwards.

    I never bother, as trying to remove the cellophane may lift
    the edge of the patch.

    John B

  7. JohnB said:


    Pete Biggs said:


    With all patches, foil side faces tube.

    Snipping edges of celophane in advance makes it easy to
    peel it off afterwards.

    I never bother, as trying to remove the cellophane may
    lift the edge of the patch.

    Yeahbut, usually the cellopane backing (on Rema patches, at
    least) is perforated in the middle of the patch. Making it
    easy to remove by folding the repair patch double. This
    splits the cellophane backing down the center allowing it
    to be peeled off without pulling at the feathered edges of
    the patch.

    --
    Alex BMW R1150GS DIAABTCOD#3 MSWF#4 UKRMFBC#6 Ibw#35 BOB#8
    team-ukrm.co.ukteam-ukrm.co.uk Windy's "little soldier"

  8. John B? said:
    Quoted message said:

    With all patches, foil side faces tube.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Snipping edges of cellophane in advance makes it easy to
    peel it off afterwards.

    Quoted message said:

    I never bother, as trying to remove the cellophane may
    lift the edge of the patch.

    That's why the cellophane is split in the middle... so you
    can peel it from inside to outside of the patch periphery
    with no lift-off. This is done by manually stretching the
    tube and patch so the cellophane breaks across its barely
    visible perforations and lifts in the middle. Cellophane is
    not stretchable and should be removed to allow the patch to
    elastically cover the puncture area.

    Aluminum foil is used to keep the 'red' side from losing
    its adhesive quality through evaporation. Cellophane does
    likewise but being less impervious, is on the back side of
    the patch where it is good enough. The foil is easily
    removed by bending down a corner by which the cellophane
    remains flat and allows pulling the patch from the foil.
    Do not cut off the corners because they are there to lift
    the patch.

    Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

  9. Alex Ferrier said:
    Quoted message said:

    I never bother, as trying to remove the cellophane may
    lift the edge of the patch.

    Quoted message said:

    Yeahbut, usually the cellopane backing (on Rema patches,
    at least) is perforated in the middle of the patch. Making
    it easy to remove by folding the repair patch double. This
    splits the cellophane backing down the center allowing it
    to be peeled off without pulling at the feathered edges of
    the patch.

    I've just looked at my large box of patches. I'd never
    noticed before, but they are marked Simson and they
    don't have a perforation. I've never had any problem
    with them, but will look for ones with perforations when
    they've run out.

    Until then I'll stick with the additional rolling weight of
    leaving the cellophane on.

    John B

  10. Dr Curious said:

    In my local Pound shop you can buy a puncture repair kit
    with 7 patches of similar appearance, 4 of the round ones*
    two small oblong ones and one big oblong one, two tubes of
    rubber solution two (probably useless) metal tyre levers
    and a useful miniature nutmeg grater thingy to use in
    place of wet and dry. And all in a natty box for £1. Not
    all pound shops are so generous however.

    They're awful. The tyre levers have sharp bits that need
    filing and the shape isn't very good anyway; rubber solution
    is extremely thin and smells incredibly bad! And it's funny
    that they're being sold on eBay for about £2 or £3.

    Cheap but good stuff is available from
    mwdyason.ltd.ukshop.asp

    ~PB

  11. JohnB said:
    Quoted message said:

    Snipping edges of celophane in advance makes it easy to
    peel it off afterwards.

    I never bother, as trying to remove the cellophane may
    lift the edge of the patch.

    It's much, much less of an issue when snipped. That's
    the point.

    A tiny bit of the edge may start to lift sometimes but
    that's easily pressed back down again.

    ~PB

  12. draco.acs.uci.edu8b.1.html

    Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

  13. Ian G Batten said:


    So, the wiggle parcel arrived this morning . . .

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:


    ian

    Dear Ian,

    What exactly is a wiggle parcel?

    An Ignorant Colonial

  14. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    That's why the cellophane is split in the middle... so you
    can peel it from inside to outside of the patch periphery
    with no lift-off. This is done by manually stretching the
    tube and patch so the cellophane breaks across its barely
    visible perforations and lifts in the middle.

    They should perforate the cellophane in both the x and y
    directions. I have still had the edge of a patch lift when
    pulling off the cellophane from inside to out. Now, I wait a
    day for the patch to cure before removing the cellophane.

    --
    Mike DeMicco <[email hidden]> (Remove the
    REMOVE_THIS from my email address to reply.)

  15. Pete Biggs said:


    JohnB said:
    Quoted message said:

    Snipping edges of celophane in advance makes it easy to
    peel it off afterwards.

    I never bother, as trying to remove the cellophane may
    lift the edge of the patch.

    It's much, much less of an issue when snipped. That's
    the point.

    I can't really see that. If you peel the cellophane off the
    patch, snipped or not it will exert pressure on the edge.

    But I'll try your suggestion next time I have a puncture to
    mend at home. Later rather than sooner, I hope.

    Quoted message said:

    A tiny bit of the edge may start to lift sometimes but
    that's easily pressed back down again.

    That's what I don't like that happening *at all*.

    John B

  16. Mike DeMicco said:
    Quoted message said:

    That's why the cellophane is split in the middle... so
    you can peel it from inside to outside of the patch
    periphery with no lift-off. This is done by manually
    stretching the tube and patch so the cellophane breaks
    across its barely visible perforations and lifts in the
    middle.

    Quoted message said:

    They should perforate the cellophane in both the x and y
    directions. I have still had the edge of a patch lift when
    pulling off the cellophane from inside to out. Now, I wait
    a day for the patch to cure before removing the
    cellophane.

    A double split would make removal more difficult because it
    would guarantee four pieces. The time to dry the adhesive is
    before applying the patch. Then pulling off cellophane from
    the center will not lift the patch. At least REMA gave this
    some thought.

    Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

  17. "Pete Biggs" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Dr Curious said:

    In my local Pound shop you can buy a puncture repair kit
    with 7 patches of similar appearance, 4 of the round
    ones* two small oblong ones and one big oblong one, two
    tubes of rubber solution two (probably useless) metal
    tyre levers and a useful miniature nutmeg grater thingy
    to use in place of wet and dry. And all in a natty box
    for £1. Not all pound shops are so generous however.

    They're awful. The tyre levers have sharp bits that need
    filing and the shape isn't very good anyway; rubber
    solution is extremely thin and


    smells

    Quoted message said:

    incredibly bad!

    ...

    Funnily enough the last tube of Weldtite I bought seemed a
    bit thin and I only went in the Pound Shop on the off chance
    as H*l*ords had run out of solution. And I always waste more
    than I use in any case. You only need to buy tyre levers
    once anyway, although the nutmeg grater things and the boxes
    may come in handy for something else.

    ...

    Quoted message said:

    And it's funny that they're being sold on eBay for about
    £2 or £3.

    Quoted message said:

    Cheap but good stuff is available from


    mwdyason.ltd.ukshop.asp

    Quoted message said:


    ~PB

    ...

    Thanks very much. That's an Add to Favourites. 100 25mm
    Velox patches for £3.95. Bit of an improvement on 9 Cure C
    Cure for £1 from Wriggle. And post free as well.

    cheers

    Curious

  18. This sounds like someone needs some basic training on tube repair. Suich things used to be passed down the generations but the emasculation of the male has stymied this tradition.

    First of all, you need to find the leak. This is easy enough with soapy water, a large body/container of water or some slight over-inflation. Mark the leak with a pen, paint, stick pin or other method.

    Tubes are made in a mold and are coated with mold release agent. This is a wax that will prevent glue from adhereing to rubber. If you had a good solvent, you could wash it away but this is expensive so the next best way to remove the release agent is mechanical abrasion. Sandpaper works but in olden times, a "nutmeg grater" was also used. If you are in the shop, a rotary abrasive tool, known in the Colonies as a Dremel Moto Tool, can be a real time saver.

    In good light, note the sheen and colour (spelling for you loyalists) of the tube. Its a graphite grey-black but when properly prepared for glue, it will look like fine jet-black felt. 6x felt. Also, any mold seams should be removed in sanding. Brush the crumbles away and note the location of the hole. Make sure the sanded area is LARGER than the patch and centered on the hole.

    Now its time for cement. You only need a VAPOUR thin but even coating, just enough to "fill in" the sanding profile, nothing more. Thinner is better. If the cement will not flow, its will make a poor patch job. Use a toothpick to quickly spread a small drop of cement over the entire prepared area. Let this dry for at least 5 minutes. Its fast drying but just be sure. Keep all dust and dirt off the drying cement.

    Now its time to re-find the leak. inflate the tube a bit and you should see the leak as the cement will turn white as it stretches. Let the tube deflate and remove the thicker, aluminum foil cover on the patch. Leave on the protective,clear backing as it helps to keep your fingers off the clean, adhering layer. Some patches will have a base layer of partially cured red/brown rubber, capped by a vulcanized "strength" layer. Red goes to the tube. Carefully center the patch over the prepared area and push firmly from the center to the edges.

    If the prepared area is larger than the patch, you can safely pull the clear film off but this is not needed and can cause the tube to adhere to the tire. I leave it on the patch until the next repair where it usually falls off.

  19. This sounds like someone needs some basic training on tube repair. Suich things used to be passed down the generations but the emasculation of the male has stymied this tradition.

    First of all, you need to find the leak. This is easy enough with soapy water, a large body/container of water or some slight over-inflation. Mark the leak with a pen, paint, stick pin or other method.

    Tubes are made in a mold and are coated with mold release agent. This is a wax that will prevent glue from adhereing to rubber. If you had a good solvent, you could wash it away but this is expensive so the next best way to remove the release agent is mechanical abrasion. Sandpaper works but in olden times, a "nutmeg grater" was also used. If you are in the shop, a rotary abrasive tool, known in the Colonies as a Dremel Moto Tool, can be a real time saver.

    In good light, note the sheen and colour (spelling for you loyalists) of the tube. Its a graphite grey-black but when properly prepared for glue, it will look like fine jet-black felt. 6x felt. Also, any mold seams should be removed in sanding. Brush the crumbles away and note the location of the hole. Make sure the sanded area is LARGER than the patch and centered on the hole.

    Now its time for cement. You only need a VAPOUR thin but even coating, just enough to "fill in" the sanding profile, nothing more. Thinner is better. If the cement will not flow, its will make a poor patch job. Use a toothpick to quickly spread a small drop of cement over the entire prepared area. Let this dry for at least 5 minutes. Its fast drying but just be sure. Keep all dust and dirt off the drying cement.

    Now its time to re-find the leak. inflate the tube a bit and you should see the leak as the cement will turn white as it stretches. Let the tube deflate and remove the thicker, aluminum foil cover on the patch. Leave on the protective,clear backing as it helps to keep your fingers off the clean, adhering layer. Some patches will have a base layer of partially cured red/brown rubber, capped by a vulcanized "strength" layer. Red goes to the tube. Carefully center the patch over the prepared area and push firmly from the center to the edges.

    If the prepared area is larger than the patch, you can safely pull the clear film off but this is not needed and can cause the tube to adhere to the tire. I leave it on the patch until the next repair where it usually falls off.

  20. On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:21:11 -0600, [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:
    Ian G Batten said:


    So, the wiggle parcel arrived this morning . . .

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:


    ian

    Dear Ian,

    What exactly is a wiggle parcel?

    An Ignorant Colonial

    Never mind--the lower-case fooled me. A parcel from Wiggle.

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