I told you so.

LOL. Thanks. I needed a good laugh today. I feel
better already.

Callistus Valerius said:

Vindicated !

A soon-to-be-published book entitled "L.A. Confidential:
The Secrets of Lance Armstrong" alleges that the five-time
Tour de France winner has been involved in doping since
recovering from cancer in 1998.

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Vindicated !

A soon-to-be-published book entitled "L.A. Confidential:
The Secrets of Lance Armstrong" alleges that the five-time
Tour de France winner has been involved in doping since
recovering from cancer in 1998.

I allege that you're an [censored]. Is that proof enough for
you?

RichC

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Vindicated !

A soon-to-be-published book entitled "L.A. Confidential:
The Secrets of Lance Armstrong" alleges that the five-time
Tour de France winner has been involved in doping since
recovering from cancer in 1998.

It's on the cover of this week's "L'Express" (French
equivalent of Time magazine), which is good reason for me to
continue never buying it.

-ilan

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Vindicated !

A soon-to-be-published book entitled "L.A. Confidential:
The Secrets of Lance Armstrong" alleges that the five-time
Tour de France winner has been involved in doping since
recovering from cancer in 1998.

I allege that you're an [censored]. Is that proof enough
for you?

The problem is that nobody cares. You have to pick your
target more carefully than that. Allege that Lance is an
[censored] and it'll make the cover of L'Express.

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Rich Clark said:

I allege that you're an [censored]. Is that proof enough
for you?

The problem is that nobody cares. You have to pick your
target more carefully than that. Allege that Lance is an
[censored] and it'll make the cover of L'Express.

Better yet, allege that he's a terrorist and his own
government will lock him up and throw away the key.

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Vindicated !

A soon-to-be-published book entitled "L.A. Confidential:
The Secrets of Lance Armstrong" alleges that the five-time
Tour de France winner has been involved in doping since
recovering from cancer in 1998

Time for you to start focusing on Kirsten Gum's
breasts again...

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Vindicated !

A soon-to-be-published book entitled "L.A. Confidential:
The Secrets of Lance Armstrong" alleges that the five-
time Tour de France winner has

been

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involved in doping since recovering from cancer in 1998

Time for you to start focusing on Kirsten Gum's breasts
again...

Those are fake too! Remember what PT Barnum said,
"There's a sucker born every minute". I'm not saying
don't enjoy the spectacle of the tdf, but don't assume
it's real.

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Vindicated !

A soon-to-be-published book entitled "L.A. Confidential:
The Secrets of Lance Armstrong" alleges that the five-
time Tour de France winner has

been

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Quoted message said:

involved in doping since recovering from cancer in 1998.

I allege that you're an [censored]. Is that proof enough
for you?

It's proof enough for me.

Andy Coggan

Who cares?

He has never tested positive for anything in his entire career as the yellow jersey holder. Until he does, people can accuse him all they want, it don't mean [censored].

I'm not that big of a fan of his, but he has done loads for exposure to the sport. And like every other top cyclist, it doesn't matter how he/she wins, doping will be the immediate accusation, regardless of their talent, especially when the rider is so bi-polar loved/hated.

I want any one average person here (I know a few pros/semi-pros hang out here, you're not allowed to play) to realistically tell me that even if pros weren't doping that THEY could keep up with them in a race.

Bunch of armchair quarterbacks ..........

Daremo said:

He has never tested positive for anything in his entire
career as the yellow jersey holder. Until he does, people
can accuse him all they want, it don't mean [censored].

go whenever I see cyclingforumsdotcom), see
sports.espn.go.comstoryOpen ↗

Lance Armstrong--All American Hero Born: 1999 Died: June 13,
2004 "I Never Tested Positive"

Cut down near the end of his atheletic prime by the
spoken, detailed words of Emma O'Reilly, Greg and Kathy
Lemond, and others.
R. I. P.

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Who cares?

He has never tested positive for anything in his entire
career as the yellow jersey holder. Until he does, people
can accuse him all they want, it don't mean [censored].

I'm not that big of a fan of his, but he has done loads
for exposure to the sport. And like every other top
cyclist, it doesn't matter how he/she wins, doping will be
the immediate accusation, regardless of their talent,
especially when the rider is so bi-polar loved/hated.

I want any one average person here (I know a few pros/semi-
pros hang out here, you're not allowed to play) to
realistically tell me that even if pros weren't doping
that THEY could keep up with them in a race.

Bunch of armchair quarterbacks ..........

--

B. Lafferty said:

Lance Armstrong--All American Hero Born: 1999 Died: June
13, 2004 "I Never Tested Positive"

Cut down near the end of his atheletic prime by the
spoken, detailed words of Emma O'Reilly, Greg and Kathy
Lemond, and others.
R. I. P.

Brian--

Please spare me reading all the posts. Do Greg and
Kathy Lemond have something to do with this [censored]?

Steve

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Brooklyn, NY

Lance menace LeMond

Interviewé par le Sunday Times, Greg LeMond a témoigné de
son peu d'estime pour Michele Ferrari et il s'attend à
recevoir un coup de téléphone de Lance Armstrong. [...]
Quelques semaines après la parution de cet article, [...]
Kathy, son épouse, vient le chercher à l'aéroport de Minneapolis-
Saint Paul, dans le Minnesota, où le couple réside. Alors
qu'il s'installe sur le siège conducteur du Station Wagon
Audi de Kathy, le téléphone portable de Greg LeMond sonne.
«C'est Lance», murmure-t-il à sa femme en découvrant
l'identité de son interlocuteur.

Cette conversation téléphonique a eu lieu le 1er août 2001.
Greg LeMond refuse d'en évoquer la teneur. En vertu d'un
accord conclu avec Trek, l'un des principaux sponsors de
l'équipe US Postal et l'un des distributeurs des vélos de la
marque LeMond, il s'est engagé à ne pas parler publiquement
de celui qui lui a succédé au palmarès du Tour de France.
Rien n'empêche en revanche Kathy, son épouse, de témoigner.
[...] Voici, donc, selon Kathy LeMond, le contenu de cette
conversation:

«Greg, c'est Lance.

- Salut! Lance, qu'est-ce que tu fais?

- Je suis à New York.

- Ah, OK.

- Greg, je pensais que nous étions amis.

- Je le pensais aussi.

- Pourquoi as-tu dit ça?

- Sur Ferrari? Eh bien, il y a un truc qui ne va pas avec
Ferrari. Je suis déçu que tu voies quelqu'un comme lui.
J'ai un problème avec ce type et avec les médecins de son
espèce. Ma carrière a été abrégée, j'ai vu un coéquipier
mourir, j'ai vu des coureurs propres être détruits et
obligés de renoncer à leur carrière. Je n'aime pas ce
qu'est devenu notre sport.

- Oh, ça va, tu vas peut-être me dire que tu n'as jamais
pris d'EPO?

- Qu'est-ce qui te fait dire que j'ai pris de l'EPO?

- Allez, tout le monde prend de l'EPO.

- Pourquoi penses-tu que j'en ai pris?

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B. Lafferty said:

Lance Armstrong--All American Hero Born: 1999 Died: June
13, 2004 "I Never Tested Positive"

Cut down near the end of his atheletic prime by the
spoken, detailed

words

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of Emma O'Reilly, Greg and Kathy Lemond, and others.
R. I. P.

Brian--

Please spare me reading all the posts. Do Greg and Kathy
Lemond have something to do with this [censored]?

Steve

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Brooklyn, NY

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Vindicated !

A soon-to-be-published book entitled "L.A.
Confidential: The Secrets of Lance Armstrong" alleges
that the five-time Tour de France winner has

been

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Quoted message said:

involved in doping since recovering from cancer in
1998

Time for you to start focusing on Kirsten Gum's breasts
again...

Those are fake too! Remember what PT Barnum said,
"There's a sucker born every minute". I'm not saying
don't enjoy the spectacle of the tdf, but don't assume
it's real.

By this statement are you say that the riders are all on
performance enhancing drug or are you taking the existential
pov that nothing is truely real since everything is clouded
by the abberation that is our 5 senses?

If you are suggesting the latter I would ask you to prove
your postulation by standing on the decent of the Col de la
madeleine on July 22nd with eye's closed wearing ear muff's,
and nose plugs.

If you are suggesting the former. Why would that make it
fake? Who cares if people are in the peleton are doped. It
seems to me that far less are doped in cycling than
baseball, football or soccer, since cycling has much more
stringent controls. In fact it seems to me that cycling
probably has far less drug use than any other cross-section
of the population, Even if they aren't so what? It doesn't
make the tdf fake. if anything, if the majority of the
peleton is drugged up, it makes the tdf more real, as most
of the population is taking some sort

celebrex so grandma can play tennis, to Allegra and
claritin, and Ritalan, and prozac and etc...Just turn on the
TV and you can't avoid this [censored], we have even got drugs to
make you pee less! Since the world started keeping score,
people started cheating. I ask you, what does it matter to
me if they are all drugged? Nothing. The only people it
matters to are their un-drugged competitors and they don't
seem to be yelling all that loudly.

B. Lafferty said:

Lance menace LeMond

Interviewé par le Sunday Times, Greg LeMond a témoigné de
son peu d'estime pour Michele Ferrari et il s'attend à
recevoir un coup de téléphone de Lance Armstrong. [...]
Quelques semaines après la parution de cet article, [...]
Kathy, son épouse, vient le chercher à l'aéroport de Minneapolis-
Saint Paul, dans le Minnesota, où le couple réside. Alors
qu'il s'installe sur le siège conducteur du Station Wagon
Audi de Kathy, le téléphone portable de Greg LeMond sonne.
«C'est Lance», murmure-t-il à sa femme en découvrant
l'identité de son interlocuteur.

Cette conversation téléphonique a eu lieu le 1er août
2001. Greg LeMond refuse d'en évoquer la teneur. En vertu
d'un accord conclu avec Trek, l'un des principaux sponsors
de l'équipe US Postal et l'un des distributeurs des vélos
de la marque LeMond, il s'est engagé à ne pas parler
publiquement de celui qui lui a succédé au palmarès du
Tour de France. Rien n'empêche en revanche Kathy, son
épouse, de témoigner. [...] Voici, donc, selon Kathy
LeMond, le contenu de cette conversation:

«Greg, c'est Lance.

- Salut! Lance, qu'est-ce que tu fais?

- Je suis à New York.

- Ah, OK.

- Greg, je pensais que nous étions amis.

- Je le pensais aussi.

- Pourquoi as-tu dit ça?

- Sur Ferrari? Eh bien, il y a un truc qui ne va pas avec
Ferrari. Je suis déçu que tu voies quelqu'un comme lui.
J'ai un problème avec ce type et avec les médecins de
son espèce. Ma carrière a été abrégée, j'ai vu un
coéquipier mourir, j'ai vu des coureurs propres être
détruits et obligés de renoncer à leur carrière. Je
n'aime pas ce qu'est devenu notre sport.

- Oh, ça va, tu vas peut-être me dire que tu n'as jamais
pris d'EPO?

- Qu'est-ce qui te fait dire que j'ai pris de l'EPO?

- Allez, tout le monde prend de l'EPO.

- Pourquoi penses-tu que j'en ai pris?

Well, my French is vestigial at best, but I get the
drift. Greg is a real stand-up kinda guy.

Steve

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B. Lafferty said:

- Oh, ça va, tu vas peut-être me dire que tu n'as jamais
pris d'EPO?

- Qu'est-ce qui te fait dire que j'ai pris de l'EPO?

- Allez, tout le monde prend de l'EPO.

- Pourquoi penses-tu que j'en ai pris?

The report is obviously bogus. Even with a name like "Le
Mond", I refuse to believe that TWO Americans could have
such a conversation in colloquial, fluent French comme ca.

"Steven" wrote ...

Quoted message said:

By this statement are you say that the riders are
all on performance enhancing drug or are you taking
the existential pov that nothing is truely real
since everything is clouded by the abberation that
is our 5 senses?

If you are suggesting the latter I would ask you to prove
your postulation by standing on the decent of the Col de
la madeleine on July 22nd with eye's closed wearing ear
muff's, and nose plugs.

Impressive use of the word postulation, but subjectivity
does not obviate objectivity, Kant notwithstanding.

Quoted message said:

If you are suggesting the former. ... It doesn't make
the tdf fake. if anything, if the majority of the
peleton is drugged up, it makes the tdf more real, as
most of the population is taking some sort of
performance enhancing drug.

What is, is right? Thought we left anything goes/nothing
matters back with the dwindling oil supply.

Jim "KISS" Flom

Thank goodness this another load about Armstrong doping. I
was getting pretty tired of Ronald Reagan threads.

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Lance Armstrong--All American Hero Born: 1999 Died: June
13, 2004 "I Never Tested Positive"

Cut down near the end of his atheletic prime by the
spoken, detailed words of Emma O'Reilly, Greg and Kathy
Lemond, and others.
R. I. P.

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Who cares?

He has never tested positive for anything in his entire
career as the yellow jersey holder. Until he does,
people can accuse him all they want, it don't mean [censored].

I'm not that big of a fan of his, but he has done loads
for exposure to the sport. And like every other top
cyclist, it doesn't matter how he/she wins, doping will
be the immediate accusation, regardless of their talent,
especially when the rider is so bi-polar loved/hated.

I want any one average person here (I know a few pros/semi-
pros hang out here, you're not allowed to play) to
realistically tell me that even if pros weren't doping
that THEY could keep up with them in a race.

Bunch of armchair quarterbacks ..........

--

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Vindicated !

A soon-to-be-published book entitled "L.A. Confidential:
The Secrets of Lance Armstrong" alleges that the five-
time Tour de France winner has been involved in doping
since recovering from cancer in 1998.

I allege that you're an [censored]. Is that proof enough
for you?

RichC

All the proof I need ! Must be like christmas for
Lafferty..........

OMC