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  1. hi all, this is my first post here ๐Ÿ˜„ i'm from italy and i
    have a full-suspended bike. i'm going to buy a mirror for my
    bike, a end-bar one. in the net i've seen the zefal cyclop,
    it costs in italy 13 euro(s). in decathlon (if you don't
    know about it, it is a shop that sells only sport
    accessores) a mirror for 8 euro.

    what should I buy? i think the zefal (more price = more
    quality) but the cyclop is convex, is a good or a bad thing?
    if I have understood it should mean that i see the things
    closer then they are in the reality. I don't know if the
    decathlon one is convex.

    help me to choose!

    thanks in advice, Alex88 (and sorry for my bad english ๐Ÿ™ )
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  2. "Alex88" wrote: (clip) the cyclop is convex, is a good or a bad thing?
    (clip)^^^^^^^^^^^^ Convex is a GOOD thing. It's not so much
    that it makes things appear smaller, which it does,
    but it increases your angle of view. With a flat
    mirror you would have to lean to various positions to
    scan the scene behind you, which would be difficult,
    and would never assure you that you have really taken
    in everything. In fact, I cannot recall ever seeing a
    flat bar-end mirror--I'll bet they are not even
    available.

    A flat helmet mirror is OK, because, being close to your
    eye, it provides a larger angle of view. Also, you can scan
    by just turning or tilting your head.

  3. Leo Lichtman said:


    "Alex88" wrote: (clip) the cyclop is convex, is a good or
    a bad thing?
    (clip)^^^^^^^^^^^^ Convex is a GOOD thing. It's not so
    much that it makes things appear smaller, which it
    does, but it increases your angle of view. With a
    flat mirror you would have to lean to various
    positions to scan the scene behind you, which would
    be difficult, and would never assure you that you
    have really taken in everything. In fact, I cannot
    recall ever seeing a flat bar-end mirror--I'll bet
    they are not even available.

    I've got one. Rhode Gear, I think, and it has a rubber thing
    shoved into the bar which I have replaced with a grommet.
    Unfortunately it doesn't bend far enough inward, and it
    rotates in the bar way too easily so whenever I want to use
    it I have to hold it with my hand. There really ought to be
    a better design.

    I hate convex mirrors -- I can HEAR that there's a car
    behind me, I just want to know exactly how far away it is,
    and looking over my shoulder shifts my balance in a way that
    might put me under the wheels of a cement truck one day. No,
    if I haven't been able to avoid this after 15,000 miles I
    probably won't be able to do it next week either.

    Quoted message said:

    A flat helmet mirror is OK, because, being close to your
    eye, it provides a larger angle of view. Also, you can
    scan by just turning or tilting your head.

    I had one, but I kept knocking it off. The last time it
    escaped permanently.

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  4. In rec.bicycles.misc, Leo Lichtman ha avuto il coraggio di scrivere:

    Quoted message said:

    Convex is a GOOD thing.


    ok, thank you ๐Ÿ˜„ so, what one should I buy?

    bye bye
    --
    Alex88 "Aio te, Aeacida, Romanos vincere posse" O Eacide,
    credo che i Romani ti possano vincere. O Eacide, credo che
    tu possa vincere i Romani.

  5. The Real Bev said:
    Leo Lichtman said:


    "Alex88" wrote: (clip) the cyclop is convex, is a good or
    a bad thing?
    (clip)^^^^^^^^^^^^ Convex is a GOOD thing. It's not so
    much that it makes things appear smaller, which it
    does, but it increases your angle of view. With a
    flat mirror you would have to lean to various
    positions to scan the scene behind you, which would
    be difficult, and would never assure you that you
    have really taken in everything. In fact, I cannot
    recall ever seeing a flat bar-end mirror--I'll bet
    they are not even available.

    I've got one. Rhode Gear, I think, and it has a rubber
    thing shoved into the bar which I have replaced with a
    grommet. Unfortunately it doesn't bend far enough inward,
    and it rotates in the bar way too easily so whenever I want
    to use it I have to hold it with my hand. There really
    ought to be a better design.

    I also have the Rhode Gear, and also had the 'bend' and
    'rotate' problems. I finally fixed the rotate problem by
    adding some teflon pipe thread tape to the ball head
    threads and then securely tightening with pliers. I then
    bent the rear blades against the handlebar and secured it
    first with some non-elastic strapping tape, and then
    covered that with black electricians tape. Now, a week
    later, both problems are gone.

    Quoted message said:


    I hate convex mirrors -- I can HEAR that there's a car
    behind me, I just want to know exactly how far away it is,
    and looking over my shoulder shifts my balance in a way
    that might put me under the wheels of a cement truck one
    day. No, if I haven't been able to avoid this after 15,000
    miles I probably won't be able to do it next week either.

    Quoted message said:

    A flat helmet mirror is OK, because, being close to your
    eye, it provides a larger angle of view. Also, you can
    scan by just turning or tilting your head.

    About the same time, a week ago, as I went to work on the
    Rhode Gear mirror, I retrieved a Take-a-look eyeglass mirror
    that had been lying around unused for a few years. Secured
    it to my sunglasses and went out for a lengthy ride.

    Now with both handlebar and sunglass mirrors I was able to
    make a direct comparison. The convex handlebar mirror
    deceives one into believing that there is more time before
    the car is alongside, and the eyeglass mirror gives an
    accurate rendition of the approaching vehicle. The eyeglass
    mirror is bright and gives a feeling of 'immediacy with the
    ability to see behind without head movement;, whereas the
    Rhode gear is tinted, smaller imaged, and takes a much
    bigger sweep of the head/eyes to secure information.

    I am going to continue to test both mirrors, but my feeling
    right now is that I may remove the handlebar mirror. I do
    find the eyeglass mirror dangling on the side of my head to
    be somewhat annoying. Perhaps it is just a matter of
    acclimation.

  6. In rec.bicycles.misc, Joe Faust ha avuto il coraggio di scrivere:

    Quoted message said:

    The convex handlebar mirror deceives one into believing
    that there is more time before the car is alongside,

    sorry, how much?

    thanks

    --
    Alex88 "Keyboard not found. Press any key to continue."
    (Bios) [email hidden] - rimuovi NOSPAMM
    www.alex88.3000.it

  7. Joe Faust said:

    I am going to continue to test both mirrors, but my feeling
    right now is that I may remove the handlebar mirror. I do
    find the eyeglass mirror dangling on the side of my head to
    be somewhat annoying. Perhaps it is just a matter of
    acclimation.

    I am looking for an eyeglass mirror...have use dthem for
    years and to me they are the best...better field of view,
    eyes remain forward, no vibration...use to use one called
    "Fred's Mirror". Recently moved and can't find one in the NW
    Washington area shops.

  8. In article <[email hidden]>, Alex88

    Quoted message said:


    hi all, this is my first post here ๐Ÿ˜„ i'm from italy and i
    have a full-suspended bike. i'm going to buy a mirror for
    my bike, a end-bar one. in the net i've seen the zefal
    cyclop, it costs in italy 13 euro(s). in decathlon (if you
    don't know about it, it is a shop that sells only sport
    accessores) a mirror for 8 euro.

    what should I buy? i think the zefal (more price = more
    quality) but the cyclop is convex, is a good or a bad
    thing? if I have understood it should mean that i see the
    things closer then they are in the reality. I don't know if
    the decathlon one is convex.

    Hi Alex, Zefal makes great products but you might also want
    to look at the Third Eye, www.3rd-eye.com. I use the (09)
    model on two mountain bikes with bar ends. I like this
    mirror because only the round 3 inch mirror and hinge stick
    out from the end of the handlebar. This mirror is quite flat
    but is described as convex. The mirror itself is glass and I
    have broken one in a crash but still prefer it over the
    others. The company ships internationally. Their website
    says the (09) is $17(US) and includes shipping. Hope this
    helps. Bill

  9. On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:33:22 GMT, Alex88 <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In rec.bicycles.misc, Joe Faust ha avuto il coraggio di
    scrivere:

    Quoted message said:

    The convex handlebar mirror deceives one into believing
    that there is more time before the car is alongside,

    sorry, how much?

    thanks

    It would be impossible to give a precise time reply. It
    depends on your speed and the closing speed of the car.
    However, the convexity view of the handlebar mirror places
    the car significantly further back than the view from the
    eyeglass mirror.

    As of rough guestimate if the car appears to be about 20
    feet back in the eyeglass mirror, it might look as though it
    is 60 feet back in the handlebar mirror. If one were
    preparing for a left turn from the shoulder of the road, it
    would be very important to give a look over one's shoulder,
    especially with the handlebar mirror. Good practice with
    either mirror.

    Here is a an article about the Take a look mirror:
    home.att.nettakealook.html

    And another from icebike.com about many bike mirrors:
    users.rcn.comcyclingmirrors.htm

  10. In rec.bicycles.misc, Joe Faust ha avuto il coraggio di scrivere:

    Quoted message said:

    It would be impossible to give a precise time reply. It
    depends on your speed and the closing speed of the car.
    However, the convexity view of the handlebar mirror places
    the car significantly further back than the view from the
    eyeglass mirror.

    just another thing: after using a covex mirror for a
    time (1 year or more) can I get usual to see the car far
    away? or also after 2 year i got to think "ok, the carz
    are far away"?

    help me ๐Ÿ™

    bye bye

    --
    Alex88(16,RM,60ยฑ,70ยฑ,Full-Suspended munito, Biker)
    [email hidden] - rimuovi NOSPAMM www.alex88.3000.it

  11. On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:11:09 GMT, Alex88 <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In rec.bicycles.misc, Joe Faust ha avuto il coraggio di
    scrivere:

    Quoted message said:

    It would be impossible to give a precise time reply. It
    depends on your speed and the closing speed of the car.
    However, the convexity view of the handlebar mirror
    places the car significantly further back than the view
    from the eyeglass mirror.

    just another thing: after using a covex mirror for a
    time (1 year or more) can I get usual to see the car far
    away? or also after 2 year i got to think "ok, the carz
    are far away"?

    help me ๐Ÿ™

    bye bye

    Yes, the convex mirror is quite usable. You learn to gauge
    where the car is. I have been using my convex mirror for a
    few years now.

  12. In rec.bicycles.misc, Joe Faust ha avuto il coraggio di scrivere:

    Quoted message said:

    Yes, the convex mirror is quite usable. You learn to gauge
    where the car is. I have been using my convex mirror for a
    few years now.

    ok, thank you... i'm going to buy it...

    bye bye

    --
    Alex88 "Keyboard not found. Press any key to continue."
    (Bios) [email hidden] - rimuovi NOSPAMM
    www.alex88.3000.it

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