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Moderately Elevated CPK Reading: Meaning?

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  1. If a CPK continues to be moderately high (200 or so) after
    statins have been discontinued for over a year, what might
    be other possible causes of the elevated reading?

    Is a referral to see a rheumatologist in order?

    Thank you in advance.

  2. Howard Sage said:

    If a CPK continues to be moderately high (200 or so) after
    statins have been discontinued for over a year, what might
    be other possible causes of the elevated reading?

    One possibility is a mitochondrial problem (ie MERRF,
    MELAS, KS etc).

    Quoted message said:


    Is a referral to see a rheumatologist in order?

    If a mitochondrial problem is being considered, a
    neurologist specializing in neuromuscular disorders should
    be consulted.

    Quoted message said:


    Thank you in advance.

    You are welcome, Howard.

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    Andrew

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    Board-Certified Cardiologist
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  3. My husband is disabled from the adverse effects of 4 years
    of Lipitor 10mg.

    For the first 1 full year after discontinuing the
    statin, his CPK continued to climb 1,000% before finally
    leveling off.

    "Howard Sage" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    If a CPK continues to be moderately high (200 or so) after
    statins have been discontinued for over a year, what might
    be other possible causes of the elevated reading?

    Is a referral to see a rheumatologist in order?

    Thank you in advance.

  4. "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Howard Sage said:

    If a CPK continues to be moderately high (200 or so)
    after statins have been discontinued for over a year,
    what might be other possible causes of the elevated
    reading?

    One possibility is a mitochondrial problem (ie MERRF,
    MELAS, KS etc).

    Quoted message said:

    The other possibility is statin damage. There are many
    mitochondrial experts who have become quite interested in
    statins, due to all the patients that are finding their way
    to them. Many of the mitochondrial damages seen commonly in
    statin patients are, under circumstances of normal
    congenital causes, only seen by pediatricians - never by
    doctors treating adults. Which, perhaps, is one reason so
    few doctors recognize statin damage early enough to prevent
    disabling damage.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Is a referral to see a rheumatologist in order?

    If a mitochondrial problem is being considered, a
    neurologist specializing in neuromuscular disorders should
    be consulted.

    A rheumatologist may also be in order (but the
    neuromuscular specialist would be the first stop). The high
    CPK, if associated with mitochondrial damage from the
    statins, can be indicative of myopathy. If you exert
    yourself beyond the ~20 minutes of ATP stored in the cell,
    the mitochondrial damage will prevent the oxygen exchange
    that would normally replenish the muscle cell with energy.
    The next step is cellular damage, and even cellular death -
    apoptosis. The body's reaction to apoptosis is to produce a
    great deal of uric acid, which halts the cell death, but
    then the crystals form and gout develops. Gout, or
    inflammation in the joints, is a form of arthritis, which
    is what rheumatologists address.

    Be very cautious. When the exertion continues, after
    developing gout, people with statin can damage develop
    kidney and liver damage and often need gall bladder surgery.
    Continuing beyond that can result in rhabdomyolysis, which
    can be life threatening

    From our experience, this danger exists even in the 3rd year
    after discontinuing the statins.

    You may need to visit several doctors and bring information
    on statin adverse effects along with you. Too many are
    unfamiliar with the syndrome, and they tend to deny all
    possibility, thus making themselves incapable of treating
    the true cause of the problem.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Thank you in advance.

    You are welcome, Howard.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

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  5. "Sharon Hope" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<dZ9yc.67408$3x.27659@attbi_s54>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]>
    wrote in message news:7d6f4004c4289972935f54f54c53d489@ne-
    ws.teranews.com...

    Quoted message said:
    Howard Sage said:

    If a CPK continues to be moderately high (200 or so)
    after statins have been discontinued for over a year,
    what might be other possible causes of the elevated
    reading?

    One possibility is a mitochondrial problem (ie MERRF,
    MELAS, KS etc).

    Quoted message said:

    The other possibility is statin damage. There are many
    mitochondrial experts who have become quite interested in
    statins, due to all the patients that are finding their
    way to them. Many of the mitochondrial damages seen
    commonly in statin patients are, under circumstances of
    normal congenital causes, only seen by pediatricians -
    never by doctors treating adults. Which, perhaps, is one
    reason so few doctors recognize statin damage early enough
    to prevent disabling damage.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Is a referral to see a rheumatologist in order?

    If a mitochondrial problem is being considered, a
    neurologist specializing in neuromuscular disorders
    should be consulted.

    A rheumatologist may also be in order (but the
    neuromuscular specialist would be the first stop). The
    high CPK, if associated with mitochondrial damage from the
    statins, can be indicative of myopathy. If you exert
    yourself beyond the ~20 minutes of ATP stored in the cell,
    the mitochondrial damage will prevent the oxygen exchange
    that would normally replenish the muscle cell with energy.
    The next step is cellular damage, and even cellular death
    - apoptosis. The body's reaction to apoptosis is to
    produce a great deal of uric acid, which halts the cell
    death, but then the crystals form and gout develops. Gout,
    or inflammation in the joints, is a form of arthritis,
    which is what rheumatologists address.

    Be very cautious. When the exertion continues, after
    developing gout, people with statin can damage develop
    kidney and liver damage and often need gall bladder
    surgery. Continuing beyond that can result in
    rhabdomyolysis, which can be life threatening

    From our experience, this danger exists even in the 3rd
    year after discontinuing the statins.

    You may need to visit several doctors and bring
    information on statin adverse effects along with you. Too
    many are unfamiliar with the syndrome, and they tend to
    deny all possibility, thus making themselves incapable of
    treating the true cause of the problem.

    Sharon

    Is your husband's CPK still elevated? Urate elevated now?

    Was fluid aspirated from the gouty areas? What type of
    crystal was found? Was it uric acid or calcium? Did he have
    the tests for peripheral neuropathy within the past year and
    test positive? Did he have the muscle biopsy and show ragged
    red fibres? Has he taken any supplements for the statin
    syndrome? what are they and what has helped?

    Zee

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