Long term eating out ...

"J David Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I have a problem coming up, one that looks potentially
disruptive to my BG control.

I have two weeks (or longer) of jury duty and I am
required to spend eight hours per day in a courtroom with
just a meal break where I have to purchase food from a
conventional cafe/bistro menu. There is almost nothing
that I can see that will allow me to measure carbs, fats,
etc., nor to avoid carbs.

The only thing that I can think of is to take tinned
foods, fish, ham, casseroles, plus hard boiled eggs etc.
They do not have a refrigeration facility available to
jurors where I can take and leave prepared meals.

Any suggestions?

I thought about getting out of it, but that isn't a very
responsible attitude to take.

For the practical part of it:

If you eat together with your fellow jurors you should
inform them about your situation. You might suddenly end up
drinking or eating sweets in the courtroom. Then you might
tell them that you may control your BG.

Bring your meter to the cantine and measure before you
eat. When you see what is on the plate you should be able
to guestimate how much insulin you need and have your
shot there.

I never leave the table just for my insulin, and every now
and then I feel that I want to check my BG and use my
equipment. Usually on my lap, but the table is perfectly OK.

--
Have a nice day. Bjørn BL.

J David Anderson said:

I have a problem coming up, one that looks potentially
disruptive to my BG control.

I have two weeks (or longer) of jury duty and I am required
to spend eight hours per day in a courtroom with just a
meal break where I have to purchase food from a
conventional cafe/bistro menu. There is almost nothing that
I can see that will allow me to measure carbs, fats, etc.,
nor to avoid carbs.

The only thing that I can think of is to take tinned foods,
fish, ham, casseroles, plus hard boiled eggs etc. They do
not have a refrigeration facility available to jurors where
I can take and leave prepared meals.

Any suggestions?

I thought about getting out of it, but that isn't a very
responsible attitude to take.

Regards

David

Hi David

Any ideas of the available menu? No need to measure, just
use your best guesstimate.

Some thoughts:

Garden Salad, carry your own small bottle of dressing. Mine
is olive oil, balsamic, herbs, pepper. Cold meats. Battered
fish or fish pieces, peel off the batter if the carbs or oil
are a problem. Kebabs (gyros type, low fat), leave most of
the Pita bread. I can handle a half-kebab. Watch the sauce -
usually the tabouli is OK. If it's a restaurant/bistro, you
usually have no difficulty specifying "no chips, salad only"
or just order the salad alone. Roast with veges, leave the
starch on the plate, eat the meat, peas, cauli, broccoli,
cabbage, a few carrots. Steamed Dim Sims with a little soy
sauce don't seem to spike me. A sandwich, leave half the
bread. Find another juror on a diet and share :-)

Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and
carbs to email.
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Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

J David Anderson said:

I have a problem coming up, one that looks potentially
disruptive to my BG control.

I have two weeks (or longer) of jury duty and I am
required to spend eight hours per day in a courtroom with
just a meal break where I have to purchase food from a
conventional cafe/bistro menu. There is almost nothing
that I can see that will allow me to measure carbs, fats,
etc., nor to avoid carbs.

The only thing that I can think of is to take tinned
foods, fish, ham, casseroles, plus hard boiled eggs etc.
They do not have a refrigeration facility available to
jurors where I can take and leave prepared meals.

Any suggestions?

I thought about getting out of it, but that isn't a very
responsible attitude to take.

Have you talked to "someone in charge" and told you them you
were diabetic and needed special food? It's generally no
problem in a courthouse or whatever for someone to bring in
diabetic meals. I'd say write up a list of what you can
eat/what you like and ask someone if it's possible to bring
some of those items in.

I've done this more than once ... brought my own foods in.
When I go to conventions at a certain hotel here for a week,
there is always tha problem of finding what we need. If you
can bring an ice chest, that would be ideal. It's what we
do. Would they be willing to work with you on this? We
always think creatively and bring more than we think we'll
ever need. I guess it won't be an optimal diet, depending on
what yours is, but it surely has to be better than bistro
food. I always have something when traveling, even in the
plane, not only because eating can be a problem, but when
you are traveling, prices can go thru the roof. When we land
at the hotels, the first thing we do is to find a grocery
store. I live in Vegas not far from the Strip and there are
2 big chain groceries near. We see people going back to the
hotels with their shopping bags full. I hope they allow you
to brg in your own stuff. Rainbow

I would say, bring some foods, but most likely you'll be
able to cobble together something.

What type of food plan do you follow?

If it's low carb... I'm sure the cafe/bistro has salads with
protein. Or sandwiches (you can eat the insides, toss the
bread). If it's low fat... I'm sure the cafe/bistro has
salads ; ) Or sandwiches without mayo or cheese.

If it's a cafeteria within the courthouse, go do some recon
work before your jury duty starts. You can call them and
find out what the usual menu is. Or even head over and take
a look see for yourself.

You'll get through.

Jennifer

J David Anderson said:

I have a problem coming up, one that looks potentially
disruptive to my BG control.

I have two weeks (or longer) of jury duty and I am
required to spend eight hours per day in a courtroom with
just a meal break where I have to purchase food from a
conventional cafe/bistro menu. There is almost nothing
that I can see that will allow me to measure carbs, fats,
etc., nor to avoid carbs.

The only thing that I can think of is to take tinned
foods, fish, ham, casseroles, plus hard boiled eggs etc.
They do not have a refrigeration facility available to
jurors where I can take and leave prepared meals.

Any suggestions?

I thought about getting out of it, but that isn't a very
responsible attitude to take.

Regards

David

"J David Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I have a problem coming up, one that looks potentially
disruptive to my BG control.

I have two weeks (or longer) of jury duty and I am
required to spend eight hours per day in a courtroom with
just a meal break where I have to purchase food from a
conventional cafe/bistro menu. There is almost nothing
that I can see that will allow me to measure carbs, fats,
etc., nor to avoid carbs.

Been there, done that and it's a no-brainer. Take your
food WITH you.

Quoted message said:

The only thing that I can think of is to take tinned
foods, fish, ham, casseroles, plus hard boiled eggs etc.
They do not have a refrigeration facility available to
jurors where I can take and leave prepared meals.

Take sandwiches, a couple of apples, pears, bananas or
oranges, a tube of glucose tabs and your meter and you're
sorted. You don't say which type (T1,
T2) you are or what meds you're on either, so if you're a T2
on diet/exercise, it's even easier because you're not
going to drop off into a hypo. If you're T1, then a tube
of glucose tabs will stop that.

Quoted message said:

Any suggestions?

I thought about getting out of it, but that isn't a very
responsible attitude to take.

It's a very UNREASONABLE attitude and one which would put
diabetes in the "chronically dangerous and disabling"
category. Not good. Glad to see you think the same way. Jury
duty is actually good (I won't say fun, but...) it's an
experience we should all have at least once. 4 hours between
eating is really nothing to worry about.

Beav

I ALWAYS eat out, and I always guess. I've gotten fairly
good at it.

The beauty of MDI is that you can tweak. If you're a little
high, shoot a little extra. If opposite, eat a little
candy. Jon

On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:07:50 -0700, [email hidden] (rainbow)

Quoted message said:

I've done this more than once ... brought my own foods in.
When I go to conventions at a certain hotel here for a
week, there is always tha problem of finding what we need.
If you can bring an ice chest, that would be ideal.

No, unfortunately, they would in the past, pre 9/11 and its
security aftermath. Now I have to actually remove my
trousers (in a private area) so they can ensure that it is a
CTi2 brace on my leg and not a weapon. They take my walking
stick and disassemble it each time I go in. Apparently there
have been some threats against judges. They search you, take
cell phone, PIMs, Tape recorders etc. You can only have a
pen and paper. It is a shame, I could watch TV listen to
music, play chess etc., on my cell phone, it would have
passed the time when the Court wasn't actually sitting. It
will be a boring two weeks in the most part.

Quoted message said:

It's what we do. Would they be willing to work with you on
this? We always think creatively and bring more than we
think we'll ever need. I guess it won't be an optimal diet,
depending on what yours is, but it surely has to be better
than bistro food.

I think that I will manage with things like small cans of
ham, fish, casserole, etc, plus cheese, salami, along with a
purchased salad each day. The toilet breaks are going to
annoy hell out of them. You have to signal the bailiff, give
him a handwritten note to give to the judge requesting a
toilet break. The judge than has to adjourn the court each
time I go. I can't help how often I need to pee since I got
this condition, can I? It should be amusing.

Regards

David

J David Anderson said:

The toilet breaks are going to annoy hell out of them. You
have to signal the bailiff, give him a handwritten note to
give to the judge requesting a toilet break. The judge
than has to adjourn the court each time I go. I can't help
how often I need to pee since I got this condition, can I?
It should be amusing.

Regards

David

Take a gazunda :-)

Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and
carbs to email.
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

J David Anderson said:

On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:07:50 -0700,

(rainbow) said:

I've done this more than once ... brought my own foods in.
When I go to conventions at a certain hotel here for a
week, there is always tha problem of finding what we need.
If you can bring an ice chest, that would be ideal.

No, unfortunately, they would in the past, pre 9/11 and
its security aftermath. Now I have to actually remove my
trousers (in a private area) so they can ensure that it is
a CTi2 brace on my leg and not a weapon. They take my
walking stick and disassemble it each time I go in.
Apparently there have been some threats against judges.
They search you, take cell phone, PIMs, Tape recorders
etc. You can only have a pen and paper. It is a shame, I
could watch TV listen to music, play chess etc., on my
cell phone, it would have passed the time when the Court
wasn't actually sitting. It will be a boring two weeks in
the most part.

Quoted message said:

It's what we do. Would they be willing to work with you on
this? We always think creatively and bring more than we
think we'll ever need. I guess it won't be an optimal
diet, depending on what yours is, but it surely has to be
better than bistro food.

I think that I will manage with things like small cans of
ham, fish, casserole, etc, plus cheese, salami, along with
a purchased salad each day. The toilet breaks are going to
annoy hell out of them. You have to signal the bailiff,
give him a handwritten note to give to the judge
requesting a toilet break. The judge than has to adjourn
the court each time I go. I can't help how often I need to
pee since I got this condition, can I? It should be
amusing.

Regards

David

I can't speak for your local area, but the one time I was
on jury duty, it was essentialy a waste of time. There was
absolutely no consideration to efficiency. I suggest
getting out of the thing if you can. It would be different
if the judge were personally held responsible for
unreasonable delays, and the gov was required to pay jurors
their usual pay plus compensate employers for lost service,
but that would presume someone with a brain turned on
worked for the gov.

Sorry you got hit by it, and I wish you the best of luck.

Speaking only for myself,

Joe Durusau

Alan said:

J David Anderson said:

The toilet breaks are going to annoy hell out of them.
You have to signal the bailiff, give him a handwritten
note to give to the judge requesting a toilet break. The
judge than has to adjourn the court each time I go. I
can't help how often I need to pee since I got this
condition, can I? It should be amusing.

Regards

David

Take a gazunda :-)

I haven't heard that term since I was a kid. <g>

It would raise a few eyebrows though ... I can just see it.

David

Quoted message said:

Take a gazunda :-)

As I recall, vaguely (linguistically at least) related to a
gazinta ..

Assuming that a gazunda goes under an old-fashioned bed ....
while 2 gazinta 6 three times ....

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"Joe Durusau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I can't speak for your local area, but the one time I was
on jury duty, it

was essentialy a waste of time. There was absolutely no
consideration to efficiency. I suggest getting out of the
thing if you can.

Quoted message said:

With that attitude, I hope you are promising NEVER to sue
anyone, NEVER to defend yourself if you are sued or arrested
(taking your jury rights completely out of any bargaining
equation), and NEVER to demand a jury trial for any reason
whatsoever. Oh, and don't demand any case you might get
enmeshed in go to a Grand Jury either.

I just look at it as a civic duty, do the best I can to work
around the conditions, and think about "if I'm sued,
accused, or mistreated to the point of wanting to sue, do I
want on the jury only those who can't get out of it &/or
those who have nothing else in their lives?"

I've served at least 9 times on jury duty, for varying
amounts of time, including 3 trial juries of 3 different
types. I think I'm about due for my next go -- I'm getting
well over my average "time off" gap! (and this thread
reminds me that since I haven't served post-9/11, I'll need
to call the jury office and ask about bringing food & so on,
if the rules have changed since my last "visit".) bj

Hairy Antelope said:

On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 16:47:45 +1000, you , Alan

Quoted post said:

Take a gazunda :-)

As I recall, vaguely (linguistically at least) related to a
gazinta ..

Assuming that a gazunda goes under an old-fashioned bed
.... while 2 gazinta 6 three times ....

Hi Hairy

Congratulations on working it out. Same thing in SA?
Otherwise known as a chamber pot above the equator.

And no, I don't speak from experience, just vague memories
from my childhood.

Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and
carbs to email.
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Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 22:29:15 +1000, you , Alan

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Congratulations on working it out. Same thing in SA?

Dunno about RSA, but I got this kind of terminology from my
father and he got them (I always assumed) from being born
and grown up in the UK (where I was born also, but was
brought to RSA (or rather Union of SA as it was then) at the
ripe old age of 18 months) ...

But then he travelled to just about all parts of the world
as a Marconi Marine Radio officer before, during, and after
WW2 so he could have picked it up almost anywhere ...

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"J David Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

I have a problem coming up, one that looks potentially
disruptive to my BG control.

I have two weeks (or longer) of jury duty (snip)

I thought about getting out of it, but that isn't a very
responsible attitude to take.

It's a very UNREASONABLE attitude and one which would put
diabetes in the "chronically dangerous and disabling"
category. Not good. Glad to see you think the same way.
Jury duty is actually good (I won't say fun, but...) it's
an experience we should all have at least once. 4 hours
between eating is really nothing to worry about.

Wow, I also have jury duty beginning July 8, so I'm glad
this was posted. I had assumed I'd be allowed to keep the
food I need with me if I just advised them of my
condition. I also think it's a civic duty, and would not
try to avoid it.

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"J David Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote
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I have a problem coming up, one that looks potentially
disruptive to

my

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BG control.

I have two weeks (or longer) of jury duty (snip)

I thought about getting out of it, but that isn't a
very responsible attitude to take.

It's a very UNREASONABLE attitude and one which would
put diabetes in

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"chronically dangerous and disabling" category. Not
good. Glad to see

you

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

think the same way. Jury duty is actually good (I won't
say fun, but...) it's an experience we should all have
at least once. 4 hours between

eating

Quoted message said:

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is really nothing to worry about.

Wow, I also have jury duty beginning July 8, so I'm glad
this was posted. I had assumed I'd be allowed to keep the
food I need with me if I just advised them of my
condition. I also think it's a civic duty, and would not
try to avoid it.

I took food into the courtroom, but I didn't eat any during
the "process". It's a real no brainer. Eat sufficient to see
you Ok for 4 hours. How hard can THAT be? It's not as if
jurers run around the place burning energy, quite the
opposite in fact. It can hard staying AWAKE, so even a pissy
little snack would stop you going hypo and "needing" to
bring proceedings to a halt :-).

I believe there are a number of diabetic judges AND lawyers
knocking about too, and I bet THEY don't get themselves all
worked up each day about "surviving" the ordeal.

Beav

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> I have a problem coming up, one that looks
> potentially disruptive to

my

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> BG control.
>
> I have two weeks (or longer) of jury duty (snip)
>
> I thought about getting out of it, but that isn't a
> very responsible attitude to take.

It's a very UNREASONABLE attitude and one which would
put diabetes in

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"chronically dangerous and disabling" category. Not
good. Glad to see

you

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

think the same way. Jury duty is actually good (I
won't say fun, but...) it's an experience we should
all have at least once. 4 hours between

eating

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

is really nothing to worry about.

Wow, I also have jury duty beginning July 8, so I'm glad
this was posted. I had assumed I'd be allowed to keep
the food I need with me if I just advised them of my
condition. I also think it's a civic duty, and would not
try to avoid it.

I took food into the courtroom, but I didn't eat any
during the "process". It's a real no brainer. Eat
sufficient to see you Ok for 4 hours. How hard can THAT
be? It's not as if jurers run around the place burning
energy, quite the opposite in fact. It can hard staying
AWAKE, so even a pissy little snack would stop you going
hypo and "needing" to bring proceedings to a halt :-).

I believe there are a number of diabetic judges AND
lawyers knocking about too, and I bet THEY don't get
themselves all worked up each day about "surviving"
the ordeal.

Beav

I've only been at this for weeks, and yet I already know how
to eat to make sure I last a while. I'm eating much larger
breakfasts than before, which took some getting used to, but
now I'm not hungry in just a couple of hours. I've also been
learning *what* to eat to prevent GI upsets. I think I'll be
fine. Thanks for the vote of confidence!

--Pinecone

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Quoted message said:

I can't speak for your local area, but the one time I was
on jury duty, it

was essentialy a waste of time. There was absolutely no
consideration to efficiency. I suggest getting out of the
thing if you can.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

With that attitude, I hope you are promising NEVER to sue
anyone, NEVER to defend yourself if you are sued or
arrested (taking your jury rights completely out of any
bargaining equation), and NEVER to demand a jury trial for
any reason whatsoever. Oh, and don't demand any case you
might get enmeshed in go to a Grand Jury either.

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I just look at it as a civic duty, do the best I can to
work around the conditions, and think about "if I'm sued,
accused, or mistreated to the point of wanting to sue, do I
want on the jury only those who can't get out of it &/or
those who have nothing else in their lives?"

My jury service has convinced me that for much of the time
more than a third of the jury are looking to see which way
to jump to end the proceedings fast so they can get home.

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