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  1. chicagotribune.comchi 0406090030jun09,1,5499275.story

    Praise the lard

    The 'Polish Atkins diet' recommends eating prodigious
    amounts of animal fat. Can this possibly be good for you?

    By Monica Eng Tribune staff reporter Published June 9, 2004

    Vinka Peschak starts each day by knocking back a full cup of
    heavy whipping cream.

    That's at 8 a.m.

    "At around 11 o'clock I take three or four egg yolks and
    make some kind of omelet with lard for breakfast," the
    Portage Park resident explains. Peschak, a native of
    Poland, eats her omelet with a cup of buttery boiled
    vegetables and a slender piece of almond toast slathered in
    more butter or lard.

    Dinner is usually a fatty piece of pork or some kind of
    organ meat with lard-cooked french fries and more butter-
    soaked vegetables.

    In the middle of the day she might have a cup of coffee,
    "but only with a lot of heavy whipping cream in it."

    Peschak has been eating like this for more than five years.
    She is slim, energetic, and says, "I feel wonderful, never
    tired and never hungry."

    She is not on Atkins. She is not on South Beach. Peschak,
    along with an estimated 2,000 Polish Chicagoans -- and 2
    million folks worldwide -- is on the Optimal Diet, a Polish
    eating plan that requires the consumption of prodigious
    amounts of animal fat -- preferably lard.

    The diet was hatched in Poland some 40 years ago by Dr. Jan
    Kwasniewski, who started developing it while working as a
    dietician for a military sanitarium in Ciechocinek, Poland.
    There he observed that many of his patients were sick, "not
    because of any pathogenic factors . . . but the result of
    one underlying cause -- bad nutrition," according to his
    English language "Optimal Nutrition" book. After
    experimenting on his family and himself, Kwasniewski
    concluded that the ideal nutritional combo came from eating
    three grams of fat for every one gram of protein and half a
    gram of carbohydrates.

    After a couple of decades of refining this theory,
    Kwasniewski published his first book in Poland in 1990. But
    it wasn't until converts came forward with their stories of
    weight loss and recovery from disease in the mid-'90s that
    the diet really took off it its native land and
    Kwasniewski's books went into wide circulation. Today there
    are at least two magazines devoted to the Optimal lifestyle
    and Kwasniewski writes a twice weekly column for the
    regional Polish newspaper Dziennik Zachodni.

    It was one of these books that made it into Peschak's hands
    in late 1998, when she was having lunch with other Polish
    women at a Chicago factory. "One lady who just came back
    from vacation in Poland showed me this book she got there
    and it made a lot of sense to me." A few weeks later,
    Peschak started the diet.

    It wasn't until more than three years later, though, that
    Chicago would become the North American capital for this
    eating plan. That's when Tomasz Zielinski bought a little
    storefront on Milwaukee Avenue and opened Calma Optimal
    Foods. The first and only one of its kind in the nation, it
    operates as a deli, meeting center and, as of this spring, a
    restaurant for those on the lard-laden plan. Peschak serves
    as its manager.

    Sometimes called the Polish Atkins, the Optimal Diet
    severely restricts the intake of carbohydrates and sugars,
    but differs from Atkins by de-emphasizing protein and
    beefing up, or more accurately porking up, the fat to a
    level that would have even made the late Robert Atkins reach
    for his heart.

    250 grams of fat per day

    On average, the diet recommends a whopping 250 grams of fat
    per day, about four times what the FDA recommended for the
    average person to maintain his/her weight and about 10 times
    the amount of saturated fat allowed.

    So despite its popularity in Poland -- Lech Walesa is
    reported to have lost 44 pounds and cured his diabetes on it
    recently -- the mainstream medical establishment there and
    here is skeptical.

    "I am very against diets like this," says Jadwiga Roguska, a
    practicing internist at the Feinberg School of Medicine at
    Northwestern University. "All high-fat diets are unhealthy
    in the long term and there is absolutely no benefit to
    weight reduction of this sort because it is threatening to
    health. . . . Of course, high-fat diets will give you the
    benefits of energy and weight loss, but they are just not
    good for you."

    Roguska based her comments on a brief overview of its
    principles, but Chicago physician Mark Sobor has seen it up
    close and has watched an increasing number of his patients
    in the Polish community embrace it.

    "Kwasniewski is pure fat," says Sobor who practices in
    Jefferson Park and is also a licensed acupuncturist. "Eat
    fat non-stop. Everything is pure fat. The more fat you can
    take in the better and these people are fanatics about it.
    But the thing is they're all skinny."

    On a recent Sunday morning at the Optimal deli/center in
    Portage Park, about 30 followers of the Kwasniewski plan
    gathered for a weekly meeting and shared their stories.

    There was the ginger-haired firecracker Irena Kozlowicz, 78,
    of Niles, who went on the diet five years ago after
    Kwasniewski came to speak at the Copernicus Center in 1999.
    At the time she was suffering from chronic eye problems,
    asthma and pain in her knees.

    "Now I can walk better than a young person," she chirps. "I
    can run up six floors of stairs and my grandson can't catch
    me. He's 17 years old. I meet young ladies and they are
    always tired and sweating, but I never am. I didn't need to
    lose weight, but I lost 8 pounds. I am 78, but I feel like I
    am 50. I thank God for the diet."

    Then there is Jozef Michael Ostrowski, 71, who says he has
    been on a variation of the diet his whole life.

    "Since the occupation of Poland my parents could only afford
    pork meat and liver and blood sausage and lard," Ostrowski
    says through an interpreter. "It is not like I was following
    this diet precisely but generally. At that time I didn't
    know this kind of natural food was good for me. I just knew
    that I could eat scrambled eggs with a thin piece of bread
    and lard and I would be full all day. I started eating
    regular food like McDonald's and I could not handle the pain
    and so I went back to the diet and have felt better and
    better every day."

    Chicago physician Christopher Kubik wasn't at the meeting,
    but in a phone interview he said that 4 1/2 years ago he was
    overweight and suffering from fatigue and stones in the
    bladder. But within a couple of months of embarking on this
    high-fat journey he saw results.

    No more problems

    "I was losing weigh gradually [he lost about 25 pounds in
    six weeks] but I felt fine. Since then, I didn't have any
    more problems with stones, my skin complexion improved and I
    am still feeling a lot of energy," says Kubik, 57, who
    reports that he breakfasts on fried eggs, bacon and string
    cheese seven days a week. "While I was losing the weight I
    could feel the ketones as a metallic tasted on the mouth,
    but after I reached my optimal weight, [the ketosis]
    stopped. Now my weight has remained steady at about 185,
    which is in the upper limit of normal for my height."

    Kubik, who also has degrees in public health and health law,
    says he does not actively promote the diet, "because it is
    not considered a standard of care and the medical community
    still recommends low-fat diets and it is not something I
    could support if I were sued." But if patients ask, "I tell
    them that I am on it and have seen positive results."

    Sobor has also seen a growing number of Kwasniewski
    converts who claim weight loss is only one of the benefits
    they've reaped.

    Chester Matuszewski, 46, for instance says that four years
    ago he was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis and was told
    there was no way he could be totally cured.

    "Every single joint imaginable in my hips, elbows, knees and
    hands hurt," the Jefferson Park resident recalled.
    Remembering something he had read in a Polish newspaper
    about the Optimal diet, he decided to check it out even
    though it seemed unappetizing.

    "For years I thought that pork is not good for you and I
    didn't like the smell, but I forced myself. . . . After
    two months I started to feel better and I didn't want to
    attribute it to the diet. But my friends also saw a
    difference in me and I had so much energy. Today after
    four years, I have no pain and no swelling and I am
    totally cured."

    Sobor hears these stories all the time, but still has his
    reservations.

    "I'm sure you've heard their claims that their joint pain is
    gone and diabetes is gone," he says. "And they say it
    because it's true. You can apparently get a lot of benefits
    if you decrease your carbohydrate intake, and stop taking in
    all the white flour and stop taking in all the refined foods
    because you are not stressing your body out all the time
    with all of the insulin spikes and becoming hyperglycemic
    and hypoglycemic."

    "But do I recommend the diet? I don't know," he says. "I
    don't think Kwasniewski is as good as Atkins or that it
    is something you should go on for a long time. Now the
    South Beach Diet that is a nice diet with more
    flexibility. But this Optimal diet is the most radical of
    the low-carb diets."

    No position from the AMA

    In the U.S. the Optimal Diet hasn't yet caught the attention
    of the medical establishment. The American Medical
    Association doesn't have a position on Atkins, much less
    Optimal. And Lisa Dorfman, spokeswoman for the American
    Dietetic Association, had not heard of it either.

    Still, based on a quick description of the diet, she didn't
    condemn it outright.

    "I can see how this would be a very attractive program,
    certainly in the senior citizen community because these are
    nutrient dense foods and seniors don't need to eat a lot of
    food," says Dorfman, a licensed nutritionist.

    "But for the general public I see where there could be
    potential problems. We just know that long-term high-fat
    diets leave one with a heightened risk of heart disease,
    stroke and hypertension. This is certainly not for children,
    teenagers or pregnant women.

    "But for this group of Polish seniors I think it's adorable,
    especially if it was developed by someone from the old
    country. As a psychotherapist, I can see where they must
    feel like you've got to be healthy eating this because there
    is a psychological connection to eating these foods. It's
    old country eating."

    Mmmmm ... headcheese

    Here's a sample daily menu from the Optimal Diet Web site
    homodiet.netfirms.com

    BREAKFAST

    Two slices of homemade headcheese loaf* with mustard One soft-
    boiled egg Two cheese-lard pancakes with butter Tea with
    lemon (no sugar)

    LUNCH

    Two slices of baked blood sausage fried in bacon fat Tea
    with lemon (no sugar)

    DINNER

    Broth with two egg yolks Hash browns One strip of bacon

    DAILY TOTAL: 254 grams of fat and 2,923 calories

    *This Optimal daily menu comes with a recipe for home-made
    headcheese, which requires the following ingredients: half-
    skinned and de-eyed pig's head with ears chopped into
    pieces, one bay leaf, a couple of kernels of allspice and
    salt and pepper to taste.

    Larding it on

    Here's what you'll find in the deli cases, coolers and
    shelves of Calma Optimal Foods:

    Polish specialties: flaczki (tripe soup), bigos (hunter's
    stew), borscht, Polish sausages, blintzes, even pierogi
    and paczki.

    Organ delights: pork liver pate, brain croquettes, blood
    sausage, headcheese, brain with vegetable soup and liver and
    tongue stew.

    Desserts: Jell-O-whipped cream slices; low-sugar, high-fat
    ice creams; poppy seed cakes; and low-sugar cheesecake.

    Dairy products, miscellaneous: heavy whipping cream, jumbo
    Amish eggs, Amish butter, nut-based breads, collagen
    soups, tubs of house-rendered lard, lard with bacon and
    beef tallow.

    In a nod to the diet's arrival in the States, there's even
    Optimal pizza, larded up with extra bacon, butter-fried
    mushrooms and a butter crust.

  2. While this diet seems to be relatively sensible, as long as
    all vitamins are supplied, I must point out that lard (salo)
    is very hard to eat in a meaningful quantity. As soon as I
    start eating lard, I feel nauseous. Eating a few pieces of
    lard prior to my one day fast, in fact, helps me not to feel
    hungry during the day.

    i

  3. Diarmid Logan said:

    chicagotribune.comchi
    0406090030jun09,1,5499275.story?coll=chi-homepagenews2-utl

    Praise the lard

    The 'Polish Atkins diet' recommends eating prodigious
    amounts of animal fat. Can this possibly be good for you?

    Yewwww....

    Our prestigious Channel 4 Breakfast program once ran a Lard
    Eating competition, and the editor only just managed to cut
    away as one contestant hurled his guts across the studio.

    Lard - it's nasty. What about "dripping" - I've never had
    it, is it the same stuff?

    --
    Succorso

  4. Thanks for posting this. I love the ideas here.

    I looked for the book on Amazon, but didn't find it. Even
    the website quoted in the article does not say where the
    book can be purchased.

    I have considered buying lard and mixing it with Splenda to
    make Oreo stuffing. However, the lard at my supermarket is
    hydrogenated, which means they made it into a transfat.
    (Note: Oreo changed the stuffing to hydrogenated vegetable
    oil a few years back. I stopped buying Oreos because of the
    transfat.)

    Any ideas on finding the book, or where to buy pure lard?

    I have never seen tallow in the store.

    "Diarmid Logan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    chicagotribune.comchi
    0406090030jun09,1,5499275.story?coll=chi-homepagenews2-utl

    Quoted message said:


    Praise the lard

    The 'Polish Atkins diet' recommends eating prodigious
    amounts of animal fat. Can this possibly be good for you?

    By Monica Eng Tribune staff reporter Published June 9,
    2004

    Vinka Peschak starts each day by knocking back a full cup
    of heavy whipping cream.

    That's at 8 a.m.

    "At around 11 o'clock I take three or four egg yolks and
    make some kind of omelet with lard for breakfast," the
    Portage Park resident explains. Peschak, a native of
    Poland, eats her omelet with a cup of buttery boiled
    vegetables and a slender piece of almond toast slathered
    in more butter or lard.

    Dinner is usually a fatty piece of pork or some kind of
    organ meat with lard-cooked french fries and more butter-
    soaked vegetables.

    In the middle of the day she might have a cup of coffee,
    "but only with a lot of heavy whipping cream in it."

    Peschak has been eating like this for more than five
    years. She is slim, energetic, and says, "I feel
    wonderful, never tired and never hungry."

    She is not on Atkins. She is not on South Beach. Peschak,
    along with an estimated 2,000 Polish Chicagoans -- and 2
    million folks worldwide -- is on the Optimal Diet, a
    Polish eating plan that requires the consumption of
    prodigious amounts of animal fat -- preferably lard.

    The diet was hatched in Poland some 40 years ago by Dr.
    Jan Kwasniewski, who started developing it while working
    as a dietician for a military sanitarium in Ciechocinek,
    Poland. There he observed that many of his patients were
    sick, "not because of any pathogenic factors . . . but the
    result of one underlying cause -- bad nutrition,"
    according to his English language "Optimal Nutrition"
    book. After experimenting on his family and himself,
    Kwasniewski concluded that the ideal nutritional combo
    came from eating three grams of fat for every one gram of
    protein and half a gram of carbohydrates.

    After a couple of decades of refining this theory,
    Kwasniewski published his first book in Poland in 1990.
    But it wasn't until converts came forward with their
    stories of weight loss and recovery from disease in the
    mid-'90s that the diet really took off it its native land
    and Kwasniewski's books went into wide circulation. Today
    there are at least two magazines devoted to the Optimal
    lifestyle and Kwasniewski writes a twice weekly column for
    the regional Polish newspaper Dziennik Zachodni.

    It was one of these books that made it into Peschak's
    hands in late 1998, when she was having lunch with other
    Polish women at a Chicago factory. "One lady who just came
    back from vacation in Poland showed me this book she got
    there and it made a lot of sense to me." A few weeks
    later, Peschak started the diet.

    It wasn't until more than three years later, though, that
    Chicago would become the North American capital for this
    eating plan. That's when Tomasz Zielinski bought a little
    storefront on Milwaukee Avenue and opened Calma Optimal
    Foods. The first and only one of its kind in the nation,
    it operates as a deli, meeting center and, as of this
    spring, a restaurant for those on the lard-laden plan.
    Peschak serves as its manager.

    Sometimes called the Polish Atkins, the Optimal Diet
    severely restricts the intake of carbohydrates and sugars,
    but differs from Atkins by de-emphasizing protein and
    beefing up, or more accurately porking up, the fat to a
    level that would have even made the late Robert Atkins
    reach for his heart.

    250 grams of fat per day

    On average, the diet recommends a whopping 250 grams of
    fat per day, about four times what the FDA recommended for
    the average person to maintain his/her weight and about 10
    times the amount of saturated fat allowed.

    So despite its popularity in Poland -- Lech Walesa is
    reported to have lost 44 pounds and cured his diabetes on
    it recently -- the mainstream medical establishment there
    and here is skeptical.

    "I am very against diets like this," says Jadwiga Roguska,
    a practicing internist at the Feinberg School of Medicine
    at Northwestern University. "All high-fat diets are
    unhealthy in the long term and there is absolutely no
    benefit to weight reduction of this sort because it is
    threatening to health. . . . Of course, high-fat diets
    will give you the benefits of energy and weight loss, but
    they are just not good for you."

    Roguska based her comments on a brief overview of its
    principles, but Chicago physician Mark Sobor has seen it
    up close and has watched an increasing number of his
    patients in the Polish community embrace it.

    "Kwasniewski is pure fat," says Sobor who practices in
    Jefferson Park and is also a licensed acupuncturist. "Eat
    fat non-stop. Everything is pure fat. The more fat you can
    take in the better and these people are fanatics about it.
    But the thing is they're all skinny."

    On a recent Sunday morning at the Optimal deli/center in
    Portage Park, about 30 followers of the Kwasniewski plan
    gathered for a weekly meeting and shared their stories.

    There was the ginger-haired firecracker Irena Kozlowicz,
    78, of Niles, who went on the diet five years ago after
    Kwasniewski came to speak at the Copernicus Center in
    1999. At the time she was suffering from chronic eye
    problems, asthma and pain in her knees.

    "Now I can walk better than a young person," she chirps.
    "I can run up six floors of stairs and my grandson can't
    catch me. He's 17 years old. I meet young ladies and they
    are always tired and sweating, but I never am. I didn't
    need to lose weight, but I lost 8 pounds. I am 78, but I
    feel like I am 50. I thank God for the diet."

    Then there is Jozef Michael Ostrowski, 71, who says he has
    been on a variation of the diet his whole life.

    "Since the occupation of Poland my parents could only
    afford pork meat and liver and blood sausage and lard,"
    Ostrowski says through an interpreter. "It is not like I
    was following this diet precisely but generally. At that
    time I didn't know this kind of natural food was good for
    me. I just knew that I could eat scrambled eggs with a
    thin piece of bread and lard and I would be full all day.
    I started eating regular food like McDonald's and I could
    not handle the pain and so I went back to the diet and
    have felt better and better every day."

    Chicago physician Christopher Kubik wasn't at the meeting,
    but in a phone interview he said that 4 1/2 years ago he
    was overweight and suffering from fatigue and stones in
    the bladder. But within a couple of months of embarking on
    this high-fat journey he saw results.

    No more problems

    "I was losing weigh gradually [he lost about 25 pounds in
    six weeks] but I felt fine. Since then, I didn't have any
    more problems with stones, my skin complexion improved and
    I am still feeling a lot of energy," says Kubik, 57, who
    reports that he breakfasts on fried eggs, bacon and string
    cheese seven days a week. "While I was losing the weight I
    could feel the ketones as a metallic tasted on the mouth,
    but after I reached my optimal weight, [the ketosis]
    stopped. Now my weight has remained steady at about 185,
    which is in the upper limit of normal for my height."

    Kubik, who also has degrees in public health and health
    law, says he does not actively promote the diet, "because
    it is not considered a standard of care and the medical
    community still recommends low-fat diets and it is not
    something I could support if I were sued." But if patients
    ask, "I tell them that I am on it and have seen positive
    results."

    Sobor has also seen a growing number of Kwasniewski
    converts who claim weight loss is only one of the benefits
    they've reaped.

    Chester Matuszewski, 46, for instance says that four years
    ago he was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis and was
    told there was no way he could be totally cured.

    "Every single joint imaginable in my hips, elbows, knees
    and hands hurt," the Jefferson Park resident recalled.
    Remembering something he had read in a Polish newspaper
    about the Optimal diet, he decided to check it out even
    though it seemed unappetizing.

    "For years I thought that pork is not good for you and I
    didn't like the smell, but I forced myself. . . . After
    two months I started to feel better and I didn't want to
    attribute it to the diet. But my friends also saw a
    difference in me and I had so much energy. Today after
    four years, I have no pain and no swelling and I am
    totally cured."

    Sobor hears these stories all the time, but still has his
    reservations.

    "I'm sure you've heard their claims that their joint pain
    is gone and diabetes is gone," he says. "And they say it
    because it's true. You can apparently get a lot of
    benefits if you decrease your carbohydrate intake, and
    stop taking in all the white flour and stop taking in all
    the refined foods because you are not stressing your body
    out all the time with all of the insulin spikes and
    becoming hyperglycemic and hypoglycemic."

    "But do I recommend the diet? I don't know," he says. "I
    don't think Kwasniewski is as good as Atkins or that it
    is something you should go on for a long time. Now the
    South Beach Diet that is a nice diet with more
    flexibility. But this Optimal diet is the most radical of
    the low-carb diets."

    No position from the AMA

    In the U.S. the Optimal Diet hasn't yet caught the
    attention of the medical establishment. The American
    Medical Association doesn't have a position on Atkins,
    much less Optimal. And Lisa Dorfman, spokeswoman for the
    American Dietetic Association, had not heard of it either.

    Still, based on a quick description of the diet, she
    didn't condemn it outright.

    "I can see how this would be a very attractive program,
    certainly in the senior citizen community because these
    are nutrient dense foods and seniors don't need to eat a
    lot of food," says Dorfman, a licensed nutritionist.

    "But for the general public I see where there could be
    potential problems. We just know that long-term high-fat
    diets leave one with a heightened risk of heart disease,
    stroke and hypertension. This is certainly not for
    children, teenagers or pregnant women.

    "But for this group of Polish seniors I think it's
    adorable, especially if it was developed by someone from
    the old country. As a psychotherapist, I can see where
    they must feel like you've got to be healthy eating this
    because there is a psychological connection to eating
    these foods. It's old country eating."

    Mmmmm ... headcheese

    Here's a sample daily menu from the Optimal Diet Web site
    homodiet.netfirms.com

    BREAKFAST

    Two slices of homemade headcheese loaf* with mustard One
    soft-boiled egg Two cheese-lard pancakes with butter Tea
    with lemon (no sugar)

    LUNCH

    Two slices of baked blood sausage fried in bacon fat Tea
    with lemon (no sugar)

    DINNER

    Broth with two egg yolks Hash browns One strip of bacon

    DAILY TOTAL: 254 grams of fat and 2,923 calories

    *This Optimal daily menu comes with a recipe for home-made
    headcheese, which requires the following ingredients: half-
    skinned and de-eyed pig's head with ears chopped into
    pieces, one bay leaf, a couple of kernels of allspice and
    salt and pepper to taste.

    Larding it on

    Here's what you'll find in the deli cases, coolers and
    shelves of Calma Optimal Foods:

    Polish specialties: flaczki (tripe soup), bigos (hunter's
    stew), borscht, Polish sausages, blintzes, even pierogi
    and paczki.

    Organ delights: pork liver pate, brain croquettes, blood
    sausage, headcheese, brain with vegetable soup and liver
    and tongue stew.

    Desserts: Jell-O-whipped cream slices; low-sugar, high-fat
    ice creams; poppy seed cakes; and low-sugar cheesecake.

    Dairy products, miscellaneous: heavy whipping cream, jumbo
    Amish eggs, Amish butter, nut-based breads, collagen
    soups, tubs of house-rendered lard, lard with bacon and
    beef tallow.

    In a nod to the diet's arrival in the States, there's even
    Optimal pizza, larded up with extra bacon, butter-fried
    mushrooms and a butter crust.

  5. We had someone preaching this diet two years ago on
    misc.health.diabetes

    He generally ignored any requests for empirical evidence,
    and Kwasniewski's websites, though interesting, raised some
    of my red flags with talk of how he was the lone voice of
    sanity with all the other doctors in Poland conspiring
    against him, etc.

    I generally appreciate it when someone doesn't support the
    MYTH that any kind of fat causes heart attacks, but these
    guys seem to have gone off the opposite "deep end."

    I'm personally not interested unless empirical evidence
    shows significant improvements in measurable health factors.
    NOT a few testimonials.

    --
    Wes Groleau "To know what you prefer, instead of humbly
    saying Amen to what the world tells you you should prefer,
    is to have kept your soul alive." -- Robert Louis Stevenson

  6. The proponents of this diet must be quite young. Anyway, let
    them enjoy the picnic now, cause a cardiologist will waiting
    for you. (You can see me now, or you will see me later).
    They won't be singing the same tune after a by pass, or a
    stent or two in place, along with a strict diet.

    Laugh on now.

    On 9 Jun 2004 09:45:36 -0700, [email hidden]

    (Diarmid Logan) said:

    chicagotribune.comchi
    0406090030jun09,1,5499275.story?coll=chi-homepagenews2-utl

    Praise the lard

    The 'Polish Atkins diet' recommends eating prodigious
    amounts of animal fat. Can this possibly be good for you?

    Grateful to be back.

    Eddie MD OTF

  7. [email hidden] (Diarmid Logan) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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    Praise the lard

    The 'Polish Atkins diet' recommends eating prodigious
    amounts of animal fat. Can this possibly be good for you?

    By Monica Eng Tribune staff reporter Published June 9,
    2004

    Vinka Peschak starts each day by knocking back a full cup
    of heavy whipping cream.

    That's at 8 a.m.

    "At around 11 o'clock I take three or four egg yolks and
    make some kind of omelet with lard for breakfast," the
    Portage Park resident explains. Peschak, a native of
    Poland, eats her omelet with a cup of buttery boiled
    vegetables and a slender piece of almond toast slathered
    in more butter or lard.

    Dinner is usually a fatty piece of pork or some kind of
    organ meat with lard-cooked french fries and more butter-
    soaked vegetables.

    In the middle of the day she might have a cup of coffee,
    "but only with a lot of heavy whipping cream in it."

    Peschak has been eating like this for more than five
    years. She is slim, energetic, and says, "I feel
    wonderful, never tired and never hungry."

    She is not on Atkins. She is not on South Beach. Peschak,
    along with an estimated 2,000 Polish Chicagoans -- and 2
    million folks worldwide -- is on the Optimal Diet, a
    Polish eating plan that requires the consumption of
    prodigious amounts of animal fat -- preferably lard.

    The diet was hatched in Poland some 40 years ago by Dr.
    Jan Kwasniewski, who started developing it while working
    as a dietician for a military sanitarium in Ciechocinek,
    Poland. There he observed that many of his patients were
    sick, "not because of any pathogenic factors . . . but the
    result of one underlying cause -- bad nutrition,"
    according to his English language "Optimal Nutrition"
    book. After experimenting on his family and himself,
    Kwasniewski concluded that the ideal nutritional combo
    came from eating three grams of fat for every one gram of
    protein and half a gram of carbohydrates.

    1) Calories are all - to lose weight you must cut back on
    high calorie fats

    One would think that anyone eating this much fat would
    immediately gain weight, then realizing this, they would
    immediately stop eating so much high-calorie fat.

    2) Fat causes heart disease

    One would think that anyone eating such large amounts of fat
    would quickly, at least within 5 years, develop heart
    disease and see their health quickly go downhill thus
    terminating the diet literally and figuratively.

    One guy is suing Atkins claiming that he developed 99%
    blockage within one or two years of starting to eat a diet
    significantly lower in fat than the diet discussed above,
    and some people believe him.

    How is it possible to even suggest this kind of diet if the
    items number 1 and 2 above are true and correct? Never mind
    actually having a number of people eating the high-fat diet,
    losing weight on the high-fat diet and gaining good health
    from the high-fat diet.

    The whole situation is absolutely absurd.

    TC

  8. I don't see lard as nasty, it's the fat of the animal, which happens to be
    lower in saturated fat than butter and higher in monounsaturated. If I were
    baking more regularly I'd probably use lard in place of butter for pie
    crusts and so on. If you're talking about eating it plain though, then yeah
    I'd agree with you but I feel the same way about butter. ๐Ÿ™‚

    -Chad

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    Praise the lard

    The 'Polish Atkins diet' recommends eating
    prodigious amounts of animal fat. Can this possibly
    be good for you?

    Yewwww....

    Our prestigious Channel 4 Breakfast program once ran a
    Lard Eating competition, and the editor only just
    managed to cut away as one contestant hurled his guts
    across the studio.

    Lard - it's nasty. What about "dripping" - I've never had
    it, is it the same stuff?

    --
    Succorso

  9. I had no problem eating lard when it was mixed with sugar!
    Mmmmm . . . OREOs, anywone?

    Oh, that and seal fat mixed with berries. Eskimo Ice Cream.

    Bill

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    While this diet seems to be relatively sensible, as long
    as all vitamins are supplied, I must point out that lard
    (salo) is very hard to eat in a meaningful quantity. As
    soon as I start eating lard, I feel nauseous. Eating a few
    pieces of lard prior to my one day fast, in fact, helps me
    not to feel hungry during the day.

    i

  10. Cubit said:

    Any ideas on finding the book, or where to buy pure lard?

    I have never seen tallow in the store.

    I have bought both lard and tallow for candle and soap-
    making purposes.

    I found these by asking at a butcher shop - one where they
    actually cut up meat.

    --
    As you accelerate your food, it takes exponentially more and
    more energy to increase its velocity, until you hit a limit
    at C. This energy has to come from somewhere; in this case,
    from the food's nutritional value. Thus, the faster the food
    is, the worse it gets. -- Mark Hughes, comprehending the
    taste of fast food

  11. In article said:

    Thanks for posting this. I love the ideas here.

    I looked for the book on Amazon, but didn't find it. Even
    the website quoted in the article does not say where the
    book can be purchased.

    I have considered buying lard and mixing it with Splenda
    to make Oreo stuffing. However, the lard at my supermarket
    is hydrogenated, which means they made it into a transfat.
    (Note: Oreo changed the stuffing to hydrogenated vegetable
    oil a few years back. I stopped buying Oreos because of
    the transfat.)

    Any ideas on finding the book, or where to buy pure lard?

    Cubit, I suspect very strongly that what Poles meant by
    "lard" is "salted pork bellies", not lard that was rendered
    into pure fat.

    I have not heard of Poles eating rendered lard, but they
    eat salted pork bellies all the time. They could also be
    other salted pig fat cuts, not just bellies. Any polish
    store would have an abundance of that stuff at a very
    reasonable price.

    i

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    Praise the lard

    The 'Polish Atkins diet' recommends eating
    prodigious amounts of animal fat. Can this possibly
    be good for you?

    Yewwww....

    Our prestigious Channel 4 Breakfast program once ran a
    Lard Eating competition, and the editor only just
    managed to cut away as one contestant hurled his guts
    across the studio.

    Lard - it's nasty. What about "dripping" - I've never had
    it, is it the same stuff?

    Basically, but dripping can be beef, pork or lamb. Beef
    dripping is THE best stuff if you're into fry-ups, but
    as for eating it "off the bone" so to speak, well
    include me out:-)

    Beav

  13. Google Australian [censored] Optimus Society.

    radref

    Cubit said:

    Thanks for posting this. I love the ideas here.

    I looked for the book on Amazon, but didn't find it. Even
    the website quoted in the article does not say where the
    book can be purchased.

    I have considered buying lard and mixing it with Splenda
    to make Oreo stuffing. However, the lard at my supermarket
    is hydrogenated, which means they made it into a transfat.
    (Note: Oreo changed the stuffing to hydrogenated vegetable
    oil a few years back. I stopped buying Oreos because of
    the transfat.)

    Any ideas on finding the book, or where to buy pure lard?

    I have never seen tallow in the store.

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    Praise the lard

    The 'Polish Atkins diet' recommends eating prodigious
    amounts of animal fat. Can this possibly be good for you?

    By Monica Eng Tribune staff reporter Published June
    9, 2004

    Vinka Peschak starts each day by knocking back a full cup
    of heavy whipping cream.

    That's at 8 a.m.

    "At around 11 o'clock I take three or four egg yolks and
    make some kind of omelet with lard for breakfast," the
    Portage Park resident explains. Peschak, a native of
    Poland, eats her omelet with a cup of buttery boiled
    vegetables and a slender piece of almond toast slathered
    in more butter or lard.

    Dinner is usually a fatty piece of pork or some kind of
    organ meat with lard-cooked french fries and more butter-
    soaked vegetables.

    In the middle of the day she might have a cup of coffee,
    "but only with a lot of heavy whipping cream in it."

    Peschak has been eating like this for more than five
    years. She is slim, energetic, and says, "I feel
    wonderful, never tired and never hungry."

    She is not on Atkins. She is not on South Beach. Peschak,
    along with an estimated 2,000 Polish Chicagoans -- and 2
    million folks worldwide -- is on the Optimal Diet, a
    Polish eating plan that requires the consumption of
    prodigious amounts of animal fat -- preferably lard.

    The diet was hatched in Poland some 40 years ago by Dr.
    Jan Kwasniewski, who started developing it while working
    as a dietician for a military sanitarium in Ciechocinek,
    Poland. There he observed that many of his patients were
    sick, "not because of any pathogenic factors . . . but
    the result of one underlying cause -- bad nutrition,"
    according to his English language "Optimal Nutrition"
    book. After experimenting on his family and himself,
    Kwasniewski concluded that the ideal nutritional combo
    came from eating three grams of fat for every one gram of
    protein and half a gram of carbohydrates.

    After a couple of decades of refining this theory,
    Kwasniewski published his first book in Poland in 1990.
    But it wasn't until converts came forward with their
    stories of weight loss and recovery from disease in the
    mid-'90s that the diet really took off it its native land
    and Kwasniewski's books went into wide circulation. Today
    there are at least two magazines devoted to the Optimal
    lifestyle and Kwasniewski writes a twice weekly column
    for the regional Polish newspaper Dziennik Zachodni.

    It was one of these books that made it into Peschak's
    hands in late 1998, when she was having lunch with other
    Polish women at a Chicago factory. "One lady who just
    came back from vacation in Poland showed me this book she
    got there and it made a lot of sense to me." A few weeks
    later, Peschak started the diet.

    It wasn't until more than three years later, though, that
    Chicago would become the North American capital for this
    eating plan. That's when Tomasz Zielinski bought a little
    storefront on Milwaukee Avenue and opened Calma Optimal
    Foods. The first and only one of its kind in the nation,
    it operates as a deli, meeting center and, as of this
    spring, a restaurant for those on the lard-laden plan.
    Peschak serves as its manager.

    Sometimes called the Polish Atkins, the Optimal Diet
    severely restricts the intake of carbohydrates and
    sugars, but differs from Atkins by de-emphasizing protein
    and beefing up, or more accurately porking up, the fat to
    a level that would have even made the late Robert Atkins
    reach for his heart.

    250 grams of fat per day

    On average, the diet recommends a whopping 250 grams of
    fat per day, about four times what the FDA recommended
    for the average person to maintain his/her weight and
    about 10 times the amount of saturated fat allowed.

    So despite its popularity in Poland -- Lech Walesa is
    reported to have lost 44 pounds and cured his diabetes on
    it recently -- the mainstream medical establishment there
    and here is skeptical.

    "I am very against diets like this," says Jadwiga
    Roguska, a practicing internist at the Feinberg School of
    Medicine at Northwestern University. "All high-fat diets
    are unhealthy in the long term and there is absolutely no
    benefit to weight reduction of this sort because it is
    threatening to health. . . . Of course, high-fat diets
    will give you the benefits of energy and weight loss, but
    they are just not good for you."

    Roguska based her comments on a brief overview of its
    principles, but Chicago physician Mark Sobor has seen it
    up close and has watched an increasing number of his
    patients in the Polish community embrace it.

    "Kwasniewski is pure fat," says Sobor who practices in
    Jefferson Park and is also a licensed acupuncturist. "Eat
    fat non-stop. Everything is pure fat. The more fat you
    can take in the better and these people are fanatics
    about it. But the thing is they're all skinny."

    On a recent Sunday morning at the Optimal deli/center in
    Portage Park, about 30 followers of the Kwasniewski plan
    gathered for a weekly meeting and shared their stories.

    There was the ginger-haired firecracker Irena Kozlowicz,
    78, of Niles, who went on the diet five years ago after
    Kwasniewski came to speak at the Copernicus Center in
    1999. At the time she was suffering from chronic eye
    problems, asthma and pain in her knees.

    "Now I can walk better than a young person," she chirps.
    "I can run up six floors of stairs and my grandson can't
    catch me. He's 17 years old. I meet young ladies and they
    are always tired and sweating, but I never am. I didn't
    need to lose weight, but I lost 8 pounds. I am 78, but I
    feel like I am 50. I thank God for the diet."

    Then there is Jozef Michael Ostrowski, 71, who says he
    has been on a variation of the diet his whole life.

    "Since the occupation of Poland my parents could only
    afford pork meat and liver and blood sausage and lard,"
    Ostrowski says through an interpreter. "It is not like I
    was following this diet precisely but generally. At that
    time I didn't know this kind of natural food was good for
    me. I just knew that I could eat scrambled eggs with a
    thin piece of bread and lard and I would be full all day.
    I started eating regular food like McDonald's and I could
    not handle the pain and so I went back to the diet and
    have felt better and better every day."

    Chicago physician Christopher Kubik wasn't at the
    meeting, but in a phone interview he said that 4 1/2
    years ago he was overweight and suffering from fatigue
    and stones in the bladder. But within a couple of months
    of embarking on this high-fat journey he saw results.

    No more problems

    "I was losing weigh gradually [he lost about 25 pounds in
    six weeks] but I felt fine. Since then, I didn't have any
    more problems with stones, my skin complexion improved
    and I am still feeling a lot of energy," says Kubik, 57,
    who reports that he breakfasts on fried eggs, bacon and
    string cheese seven days a week. "While I was losing the
    weight I could feel the ketones as a metallic tasted on
    the mouth, but after I reached my optimal weight, [the
    ketosis] stopped. Now my weight has remained steady at
    about 185, which is in the upper limit of normal for my
    height."

    Kubik, who also has degrees in public health and health
    law, says he does not actively promote the diet, "because
    it is not considered a standard of care and the medical
    community still recommends low-fat diets and it is not
    something I could support if I were sued." But if
    patients ask, "I tell them that I am on it and have seen
    positive results."

    Sobor has also seen a growing number of Kwasniewski
    converts who claim weight loss is only one of the
    benefits they've reaped.

    Chester Matuszewski, 46, for instance says that four
    years ago he was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis and
    was told there was no way he could be totally cured.

    "Every single joint imaginable in my hips, elbows, knees
    and hands hurt," the Jefferson Park resident recalled.
    Remembering something he had read in a Polish newspaper
    about the Optimal diet, he decided to check it out even
    though it seemed unappetizing.

    "For years I thought that pork is not good for you and I
    didn't like the smell, but I forced myself. . . . After
    two months I started to feel better and I didn't want to
    attribute it to the diet. But my friends also saw a
    difference in me and I had so much energy. Today after
    four years, I have no pain and no swelling and I am
    totally cured."

    Sobor hears these stories all the time, but still has his
    reservations.

    "I'm sure you've heard their claims that their joint pain
    is gone and diabetes is gone," he says. "And they say it
    because it's true. You can apparently get a lot of
    benefits if you decrease your carbohydrate intake, and
    stop taking in all the white flour and stop taking in all
    the refined foods because you are not stressing your body
    out all the time with all of the insulin spikes and
    becoming hyperglycemic and hypoglycemic."

    "But do I recommend the diet? I don't know," he says. "I
    don't think Kwasniewski is as good as Atkins or that it
    is something you should go on for a long time. Now the
    South Beach Diet that is a nice diet with more
    flexibility. But this Optimal diet is the most radical of
    the low-carb diets."

    No position from the AMA

    In the U.S. the Optimal Diet hasn't yet caught the
    attention of the medical establishment. The American
    Medical Association doesn't have a position on Atkins,
    much less Optimal. And Lisa Dorfman, spokeswoman for the
    American Dietetic Association, had not heard of it
    either.

    Still, based on a quick description of the diet, she
    didn't condemn it outright.

    "I can see how this would be a very attractive program,
    certainly in the senior citizen community because these
    are nutrient dense foods and seniors don't need to eat a
    lot of food," says Dorfman, a licensed nutritionist.

    "But for the general public I see where there could be
    potential problems. We just know that long-term high-fat
    diets leave one with a heightened risk of heart disease,
    stroke and hypertension. This is certainly not for
    children, teenagers or pregnant women.

    "But for this group of Polish seniors I think it's
    adorable, especially if it was developed by someone from
    the old country. As a psychotherapist, I can see where
    they must feel like you've got to be healthy eating this
    because there is a psychological connection to eating
    these foods. It's old country eating."

    Mmmmm ... headcheese

    Here's a sample daily menu from the Optimal Diet Web site
    homodiet.netfirms.com

    BREAKFAST

    Two slices of homemade headcheese loaf* with mustard One
    soft-boiled egg Two cheese-lard pancakes with butter Tea
    with lemon (no sugar)

    LUNCH

    Two slices of baked blood sausage fried in bacon fat Tea
    with lemon (no sugar)

    DINNER

    Broth with two egg yolks Hash browns One strip of bacon

    DAILY TOTAL: 254 grams of fat and 2,923 calories

    *This Optimal daily menu comes with a recipe for home-
    made headcheese, which requires the following
    ingredients: half-skinned and de-eyed pig's head with
    ears chopped into pieces, one bay leaf, a couple of
    kernels of allspice and salt and pepper to taste.

    Larding it on

    Here's what you'll find in the deli cases, coolers and
    shelves of Calma Optimal Foods:

    Polish specialties: flaczki (tripe soup), bigos (hunter's
    stew), borscht, Polish sausages, blintzes, even pierogi
    and paczki.

    Organ delights: pork liver pate, brain croquettes, blood
    sausage, headcheese, brain with vegetable soup and liver
    and tongue stew.

    Desserts: Jell-O-whipped cream slices; low-sugar, high-
    fat ice creams; poppy seed cakes; and low-sugar
    cheesecake.

    Dairy products, miscellaneous: heavy whipping cream,
    jumbo Amish eggs, Amish butter, nut-based breads,
    collagen soups, tubs of house-rendered lard, lard with
    bacon and beef tallow.

    In a nod to the diet's arrival in the States, there's
    even Optimal pizza, larded up with extra bacon, butter-
    fried mushrooms and a butter crust.

  14. Cubit said:

    Any ideas on finding the book, or where to buy pure lard?

    You can order it from Kwasniewski's website (which is in
    both English and Polish).

    --
    Wes Groleau

    Always listen to experts. They'll tell you what can't be
    done and why. Then do it. -- Robert A. Heinlein

  15. In article said:

    The proponents of this diet must be quite young.
    Anyway, let them enjoy the picnic now, cause a
    cardiologist will waiting for you. (You can see me now,
    or you will see me later). They won't be singing the
    same tune after a by pass, or a stent or two in place,
    along with a strict diet.

    Low carbers see better blood lipid improvements than
    low fatters.

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    Ann Intern Med. 2004 May 18;140(10):769-77. Related
    Articles,Links

    Comment in: Ann Intern Med. 2004 May 18;140(10):836-7. Ann
    Intern Med. 2004 May 18;140(10):I10.

    A low-carbohydrate, ketogenic diet versus a low-fat diet
    to treat obesity and hyperlipidemia: a randomized,
    controlled trial.

    Yancy WS Jr, Olsen MK, Guyton JR, Bakst RP, Westman EC.

    Center for Health Services Research in Primary Care,
    Department of Veterans Affairs Medical Center, and Duke
    University Medical Center, Durham, North Carolina
    27705, USA.

    BACKGROUND: Low-carbohydrate diets remain popular despite a
    paucity of scientific evidence on their effectiveness.
    OBJECTIVE: To compare the effects of a low-carbohydrate,
    ketogenic diet program with those of a low-fat, low-
    cholesterol, reduced-calorie diet. DESIGN: Randomized,
    controlled trial. SETTING: Outpatient research clinic.
    PARTICIPANTS: 120 overweight, hyperlipidemic volunteers from
    the community. INTERVENTION: Low-carbohydrate diet
    (initially, <20 g of carbohydrate daily) plus nutritional
    supplementation, exercise recommendation, and group
    meetings, or low-fat diet (<30% energy from fat, <300 mg of
    cholesterol daily, and deficit of 500 to 1000 kcal/d) plus
    exercise recommendation and group meetings. MEASUREMENTS:
    Body weight, body composition, fasting serum lipid levels,
    and tolerability. RESULTS: A greater proportion of the low-
    carbohydrate diet group than the low-fat diet group
    completed the study (76%
    vs. 57%; P = 0.02). At 24 weeks, weight loss was greater in
    the low-carbohydrate diet group than in the low-fat diet
    group (mean change, -12.9% vs. -6.7%; P < 0.001).
    Patients in both groups lost substantially more fat mass
    (change, -9.4 kg with the low-carbohydrate diet vs. -4.8
    kg with the low-fat diet) than fat-free mass (change,
    -3.3 kg vs. -2.4 kg, respectively). Compared with
    recipients of the low-fat diet, recipients of the low-
    carbohydrate diet had greater decreases in serum
    triglyceride levels (change, -0.84 mmol/L vs. -0.31
    mmol/L [-74.2 mg/dL vs. -27.9 mg/dL]; P = 0.004) and
    greater increases in high-density lipoprotein
    cholesterol levels (0.14 mmol/L vs. -0.04 mmol/L [5.5
    mg/dL vs. -1.6 mg/dL]; P < 0.001). Changes in low-
    density lipoprotein cholesterol level did not differ
    statistically (0.04 mmol/L [1.6 mg/dL] with the low-
    carbohydrate diet and -0.19 mmol/L [-7.4 mg/dL] with the
    low-fat diet; P = 0.2). Minor adverse effects were more
    frequent in the low-carbohydrate diet group.
    LIMITATIONS: We could not definitively distinguish
    effects of the low-carbohydrate diet and those of the
    nutritional supplements provided only to that group. In
    addition, participants were healthy and were followed
    for only 24 weeks. These factors limit the
    generalizability of the study results. CONCLUSIONS:
    Compared with a low-fat diet, a low-carbohydrate diet
    program had better participant retention and greater
    weight loss. During active weight loss, serum
    triglyceride levels decreased more and high-density
    lipoprotein cholesterol level increased more with the
    low-carbohydrate diet than with the low-fat diet.

  16. Simm Webb <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    The proponents of this diet must be quite young.
    Anyway, let them enjoy the picnic now, cause a
    cardiologist will waiting for you. (You can see me now,
    or you will see me later). They won't be singing the
    same tune after a by pass, or a stent or two in place,
    along with a strict diet.

    Laugh on now.


    You are confused or just ignorant. Try getting some real
    information on fat and cholesterol because you are
    obviously uninformed.

  17. There is real science behind the belief that fat without
    high carbs is harmless, and even essential. The studies that
    led doctors to denounce fat were ambiguous. The studies used
    high carbs and high fat. They assumed that it was the fat
    causing trouble, not the carbs, without doing a study to
    clarify. This was not science.

    These same doctors circumcised me as a baby for "medical
    reasons." They are barbarians hiding behind the trappings of
    science. As an excuse they call themselves artists.

    I don't see anyone laughing.

    Cholesterol is a nutrient. If the diet lacks Cholesterol,
    the body makes Cholesterol.

    "Simm Webb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    The proponents of this diet must be quite young. Anyway,
    let them enjoy


    the

    Quoted message said:

    picnic now, cause a cardiologist will waiting for you.
    (You can see me


    now, or

    Quoted message said:

    you will see me later). They won't be singing the same
    tune after a by


    pass, or

    Quoted message said:

    a stent or two in place, along with a strict diet.

    Laugh on now.

    On 9 Jun 2004 09:45:36 -0700, [email hidden]
    (Diarmid Logan)


    Quoted message said:

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    Quoted message said:
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    Praise the lard

    The 'Polish Atkins diet' recommends eating prodigious
    amounts of animal fat. Can this possibly be good for you?

    Grateful to be back.

    Eddie MD OTF

  18. Simm Webb <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    The proponents of this diet must be quite young.
    Anyway, let them enjoy the picnic now, cause a
    cardiologist will waiting for you. (You can see me now,
    or you will see me later). They won't be singing the
    same tune after a by pass, or a stent or two in place,
    along with a strict diet.

    Laugh on now.


    You can't say anything bad about saturated fat on this
    forum evidently. I picture a good number of fat posters
    here eating prodigious amounts of bacon, lard and cream
    thinking they are dieting.

  19. Simm Webb <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    The proponents of this diet must be quite young.
    Anyway, let them enjoy the picnic now, cause a
    cardiologist will waiting for you. (You can see me now,
    or you will see me later). They won't be singing the
    same tune after a by pass, or a stent or two in place,
    along with a strict diet.

    Laugh on now.

    You obviously didn't read the entire article. Check out
    this passage:

    On a recent Sunday morning at the Optimal deli/center in
    Portage Park, about 30 followers of the Kwasniewski plan
    gathered for a weekly meeting and shared their stories.

    There was the ginger-haired firecracker Irena Kozlowicz, 78,
    of Niles, who went on the diet five years ago after
    Kwasniewski came to speak at the Copernicus Center in 1999.
    At the time she was suffering from chronic eye problems,
    asthma and pain in her knees.

    "Now I can walk better than a young person," she chirps. "I
    can run up six floors of stairs and my grandson can't catch
    me. He's 17 years old. I meet young ladies and they are
    always tired and sweating, but I never am. I didn't need to
    lose weight, but I lost 8 pounds. I am 78, but I feel like I
    am 50. I thank God for the diet."

    Then there is Jozef Michael Ostrowski, 71, who says he has
    been on a variation of the diet his whole life.

    "Since the occupation of Poland my parents could only afford
    pork meat and liver and blood sausage and lard," Ostrowski
    says through an interpreter. "It is not like I was following
    this diet precisely but generally. At that time I didn't
    know this kind of natural food was good for me. I just knew
    that I could eat scrambled eggs with a thin piece of bread
    and lard and I would be full all day. I started eating
    regular food like McDonald's and I could not handle the pain
    and so I went back to the diet and have felt better and
    better every day."

    Chicago physician Christopher Kubik wasn't at the meeting,
    but in a phone interview he said that 4 1/2 years ago he was
    overweight and suffering from fatigue and stones in the
    bladder. But within a couple of months of embarking on this
    high-fat journey he saw results.

    No more problems

    "I was losing weigh gradually [he lost about 25 pounds in
    six weeks] but I felt fine. Since then, I didn't have any
    more problems with stones, my skin complexion improved and I
    am still feeling a lot of energy," says Kubik, 57, who
    reports that he breakfasts on fried eggs, bacon and string
    cheese seven days a week. "While I was losing the weight I
    could feel the ketones as a metallic tasted on the mouth,
    but after I reached my optimal weight, [the ketosis]
    stopped. Now my weight has remained steady at about 185,
    which is in the upper limit of normal for my height."

    Kubik, who also has degrees in public health and health law,
    says he does not actively promote the diet, "because it is
    not considered a standard of care and the medical community
    still recommends low-fat diets and it is not something I
    could support if I were sued." But if patients ask, "I tell
    them that I am on it and have seen positive results."

    Quoted message said:

    On 9 Jun 2004 09:45:36 -0700, [email hidden]

    (Diarmid Logan) said:

    chicagotribune.comchi
    0406090030jun09,1,5499275.story?coll=chi-
    homepagenews2-utl

    Praise the lard

    The 'Polish Atkins diet' recommends eating prodigious
    amounts of animal fat. Can this possibly be good for you?

    Grateful to be back.

    Eddie MD OTF

  20. Cubit said:


    Any ideas on ... or where to buy pure lard? I have never
    seen tallow in the store.

    If your grocery has a Hispanic section, look for a red box
    labelled Manteca. It's lard in quarters like sticks of
    butter. Much better than vegitable shortening that has
    transfats.

    I was astonished that the so-called "Optimal Diet" didn't
    consider salads and/or veggies every day to be mandatory
    like Atkins does from day one.

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