icepack from hell

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(caterbro)

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is there something i should know but don't about old
sprains?

Yeah, sometimes, you need to consult a doctor and physical
therapist.

Gleshna

Overheard at 2004 ESA Northeastern Regional Surf Contest:

"F%&*, I got beaten by a guy from the Great Lakes!"

go see an podiatrist or orthopedic doctor.

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hi all-

I just started running a month ago, and an old ankle
injury is cropping up. I sprained it quite badly at one
time and when i come back from a run, i have pain and
throbbing right up the inside of my calf from the ankle. i
run two days, take a day off and usually i just deal-it
only hurts for a few hours after i run, and not too bad.
yesterday, I decided to try an icepack after running. it
was the worst mistake i've made since i started running.

the pain in my ankle literally left me breathless
after 5-7 minutes, i couldn't walk, and in agony, i
limped up the stairs and took a hot shower, which
restored some function to my ankle. a handful of
asprin later, i was fine.

so what happened? it feels like tissue (not tendon)
inflammation, so shouldn't ice help? is there something i
should know but don't about old sprains?

thx,

carl

Seeing a (running savvy) podiatrist would be a good idea --
you don't want to run on a stress fracture, for example.

But in general, the fact that ice makes it hurt is a good
thing -- it means that you will get lots of blood flow there
after removing the ice, and that will help the healing.

Stop icing when it starts to hurt, don't wait until you're
gritting your teeth! Self-torture isn't the goal. Let your
circulation heat it back up (5 -10 minutes), then do it
again. Also, you might want to put an extra layer of plastic
bag around the ice to keep from burning your skin (been
there, done that).

Repeat throughout the day if you can. I've read that the
cold flushes out the blood, and an excess of clean blood
rushes back in when the area heats up; but regardless of
the mechanism, it is a very powerful healing agent for
lower leg problems.

Two examples:

Just last Friday I was limping because of an Achilles
twinge, then iced 4 -5 times that day, and was able to run
up a 5,000 foot climb the next day without any symptoms.
Needless to say, I started out very slowly and was prepared
to turn back, but I never felt a thing down there.

I sprained my ankle badly in a mountain race a month ago. I
ran the last 15 miles with it hurting every step! Only when
I started icing it several times a day did it really start
improving. In fact, I'm going to give it a go right now,
even though it's almost unnoticable.

-- Dan

"caterbro" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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hi all-

I just started running a month ago, and an old ankle
injury is cropping up. I sprained it quite badly at one
time and when i come back from a run, i have pain and
throbbing right up the inside of my calf from the ankle. i
run two days, take a day off and usually i just deal-it
only hurts for a few hours after i run, and not too bad.
yesterday, I decided to try an icepack after running. it
was the worst mistake i've made since i started running.

the pain in my ankle literally left me breathless
after 5-7 minutes, i couldn't walk, and in agony, i
limped up the stairs and took a hot shower, which
restored some function to my ankle. a handful of
asprin later, i was fine.

so what happened? it feels like tissue (not tendon)
inflammation, so shouldn't ice help? is there something i
should know but don't about old sprains?

thx,

carl

caterbro said:

hi all-

I just started running a month ago, and an old ankle
injury is cropping up. I sprained it quite badly at one
time and when i come back from a run, i have pain and
throbbing right up the inside of my calf from the ankle. i
run two days, take a day off and usually i just deal-it
only hurts for a few hours after i run, and not too bad.
yesterday, I decided to try an icepack after running. it
was the worst mistake i've made since i started running.

the pain in my ankle literally left me breathless
after 5-7 minutes, i couldn't walk, and in agony, i
limped up the stairs and took a hot shower, which
restored some function to my ankle. a handful of
asprin later, i was fine.

so what happened? it feels like tissue (not tendon)
inflammation, so shouldn't ice help? is there something i
should know but don't about old sprains?

Dan madea few good points, one thing I would say is just
because it feels good when you take ahot shower, doesnt mean
its doing you good.As far as I am aware, heat is the last
thing you want to apply to a swollen joint as it will just
increase the swelling.

[email hidden] (Gleshna) wrote in <[email hidden]>:

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is there something i should know but don't about old
sprains?

Yeah, sometimes, you need to consult a doctor and physical
therapist.

why? what could they tell me about this injury? have
you ever had or suffered from the aftereffects of
something similar?

carl

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Gleshna

Overheard at 2004 ESA Northeastern Regional Surf Contest:

"F%&*, I got beaten by a guy from the Great Lakes!"

"Richard Stiller" <[email hidden]> wrote in <j6jyc.69761$3x.31427@attbi_s54>:

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go see an podiatrist or orthopedic doctor.

why? have i described something dangerous? why, in general,
would ice be bad for something that feels like an
inflammation, or why would ice have such negative effects?

carl

"Dan Stumpus" <[email hidden]> wrote in <[email hidden]>:

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But in general, the fact that ice makes it hurt is a good
thing -- it means that you will get lots of blood flow
there after removing the ice, and that will help the
healing.

well, the reason i asked is because I've hurt and iced lots
of things, and this just felt plain wrong- usually there's a
ow! thats cold! and then a numbing- this felt more like a
ice-cold muscle cramp combined with a severe tendonitis- it
coincided exactly with the the ice pack. it was the damndest
sensation. i wonder if maybe the cold caused my calf to
tighten up and yank on whatever was aching in there?

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I sprained my ankle badly in a mountain race a month ago.
I ran the last 15 miles with it hurting every step! Only
when I started icing it several times a day did it really
start improving. In fact, I'm going to give it a go right
now, even though it's almost unnoticable.

-- Dan

well, the bad sprain happened years ago- I sprained it again
mildly a couple of years ago(ish). I've had no pain atall.
the other ankle i've sprained mildly twice, both a long time
ago, and there's nothing like this. I've also had two knee
surgeries, but my knees feel great.

thanks for the help,

carl

"ZB" <[email hidden]> wrote in <[email hidden]>:

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Dan madea few good points, one thing I would say is just
because it feels good when you take ahot shower, doesnt
mean its doing you good.As far as I am aware, heat is the
last thing you want to apply to a swollen joint as it will
just increase the swelling.

the joint is ok- feels fine, really- there's no visible
swelling or cramping- just a sore stretch that runs up
from the anklebone. it's fairly mild pain, but i thought
ice would help whatever it was get better as i acclimate
to running.

carl

Hi Carl:

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well, the reason i asked is because I've hurt and iced
lots of things, and this just felt plain wrong- usually
there's a ow! thats cold! and then a numbing- this felt
more like a ice-cold muscle cramp combined with a severe
tendonitis- it coincided exactly with the the ice pack. it
was the damndest sensation. i wonder if maybe the cold
caused my calf to tighten up and yank on whatever was
aching in there?

Maybe. If it was a cramp, than it probably won't recur after
the muscle is rested/rehydrated/remineralized.

I always remove the ice when it starts to hurt, and I use
those ice pack pillows you store in the freezer. They seem
to be a bit less cold than ice cubes, but last longer.

If you cramp on cold day after day, I don't know what to
say -- maybe you have twichy muscles, like those who get
night cramps.

Regards,

Dan

UR wearing nikes. Get Asics, or ANY OTHER brand,, and watch
your ankle pain dissapear.

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"ZB" <[email hidden]> wrote in <2iua3cFrjdtfU1@uni-
berlin.de>:

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Dan madea few good points, one thing I would say is just
because it feels good when you take ahot shower, doesnt
mean its doing you good.As far as I am aware, heat is
the last thing you want to apply to a swollen joint as
it will just increase the swelling.

the joint is ok- feels fine, really- there's no visible
swelling or cramping- just a sore stretch that runs up
from the anklebone. it's fairly mild pain, but i thought
ice would help whatever it was get better as i acclimate
to running.

carl

might be right about the nike thing you mught think about
changeing shoes i did to asics and have been very happy ,,,
i do still like the tailwinds though plodzilla

caterbro said:

hi all-

I just started running a month ago, and an old ankle
injury is cropping up. I sprained it quite badly at one
time and when i come back from a run, i have pain and
throbbing right up the inside of my calf from the ankle. i
run two days, take a day off and usually i just deal-it
only hurts for a few hours after i run, and not too bad.
yesterday, I decided to try an icepack after running. it
was the worst mistake i've made since i started running.

the pain in my ankle literally left me breathless
after 5-7 minutes, i couldn't walk, and in agony, i
limped up the stairs and took a hot shower, which
restored some function to my ankle. a handful of
asprin later, i was fine.

so what happened? it feels like tissue (not tendon)
inflammation, so shouldn't ice help? is there something i
should know but don't about old sprains?

thx,

carl

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might be right about the nike thing you mught think about
changeing shoes i did to asics and have been very happy
,,, i do still like the tailwinds though

Of course I'm right, I'm always right, at least when it
comes to telling people with ankle pain that their Nikes are
the culprit. Anyone see the latest study? It said people who
wear nikes are 70% MORE LIKELY to have ankle and knee
problems than people who wear other brands. Just what I've
been saying right along. Cheers!