Basso or Danielson?

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Who will go further in the sport? People have such high
hopes for the both of them...it should be interesting.
And................will Cunego overshadow them for the
rest of their careers?

It's a little too early to tell.

Bob C.

BJC said:

Who will go further in the sport? People have such high
hopes for the both of them...it should be interesting.
And................will Cunego overshadow them for the
rest of their careers?

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Do you really think these guys are comparable?

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Who will go further in the sport? People have such high
hopes for the both of them...it should be interesting.

I don't know. I like them both and hope that they can
achieve their lofty goals.

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And................will Cunego overshadow them for the
rest of their careers?

Yes. Doesn't matter if he never does as well again (though
he certainly will), he will forever be the baby of the Giro
d'Italia...

-Sonarrat.

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Originally posted by Psycholist
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Who will go further in the sport? People have such high
hopes for the both of them...it should be interesting.
And................will Cunego overshadow them for the
rest of their careers?

It's a little too early to tell.

Bob C.

True, it's impossible to have an absolute definitive answer. I thought it would be a fun question to pose because both riders are so early in their careers. I just can't wait to see the next generation of riders rip each other apart!

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Who will go further in the sport? People have such high
hopes for the both of them...it should be interesting.
And................will Cunego overshadow them for the
rest of their careers?

Both Basso and Danielson have great careers ahead of them.
Cunego will be another Ullrich.

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Originally posted by Tom Kunich
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Who will go further in the sport? People have such high
hopes for the both of them...it should be interesting.
And................will Cunego overshadow them for the
rest of their careers?

Both Basso and Danielson have great careers ahead of them.
Cunego will be another Ullrich.

Tom, That's very interesting you say that because I have heard Cunego has shown incredible form over the last couple of years when he was motivated to train. When he wasn't motivated....bye bye bike. Very much like Ullrich indeed. I think he could really use a mentor to keep him focused. Too bad Pantani isn't around any longer. He'd be up for the task.

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BJC said:

Tom Kunich said:

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Who will go further in the sport? People have such
high hopes for the both of them...it should be
interesting. And................will Cunego
overshadow them for the rest of their careers?

Both Basso and Danielson have great careers ahead of
them. Cunego will be another Ullrich.

Tom, That's very interesting you say that because I have
heard Cunego has shown incredible form over the last
couple of years when he was motivated to train. When he
wasn't motivated....bye bye bike. Very much like Ullrich
indeed. I think he could really use a mentor to keep him
focused. Too bad Pantani isn't around any longer. He'd be
up for the task.

I simply don't see how any man could cross the line in 1st
place eight times in 6 weeks, also taking the overall GC of
a small stage race followed by a Grand Tour, with anything
less than total dedication over the span of several years.

It was Popovych who kept beating him when Cunego was on the
Zalf-Fior team three years ago. Michele Scarponi and his
teammate Emanuele Sella also beat the tar out of him several
times. But the quality of Cunego's four wins put him on a
better team than them, and he came up with the goods..
somebody was really reading the U23 scene well.

It's interesting to note that Fassa Bortolo reached an
agreement with Zalf-Fior in 2001 for the amateur squad to
serve as a reservoir for new Fassa pros... but the only
transfer between them in the past two years has been
Francesco Chicchi, and the team hired two riders from Mapei-
Quick Step Espoirs (Cancellara and Pozzato). Fassa must be
absolutely kicking themselves for not scooping up Cunego.

-Sonarrat.

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Sonarrat said:

It's interesting to note that Fassa Bortolo reached an
agreement with Zalf-Fior in 2001 for the amateur squad to
serve as a reservoir for new Fassa pros... but the only
transfer between them in the past two years has been
Francesco Chicchi, and the team hired two riders from Mapei-
Quick Step Espoirs (Cancellara and Pozzato). Fassa must be
absolutely kicking themselves for not scooping up Cunego.

Fassa also got Cioni from Mapei, and he is being coached by
the same guy who coached him when he was with Mapei.

-WG

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I simply don't see how any man could cross the line in 1st
place eight times in 6 weeks, also taking the overall GC
of a small stage race followed by a Grand Tour, with
anything less than total dedication over the span of
several years.

Perhaps you could look back at Ullrich's career.

Sonarrat said:

[Cunego] Yes. Doesn't matter if he never does as well again
(though he certainly will), he will forever be the baby of
the Giro d'Italia...

There had been 5 Giro winners younger than him: Coppi
(1940), Saronni (1979), Bartali (1936), Balmamion (1961) and
another guy in the '30s whose name now escapes me

Davide Tosi said:

Sonarrat said:

[Cunego] Yes. Doesn't matter if he never does as well
again (though he certainly will), he will forever be the
baby of the Giro d'Italia...

There had been 5 Giro winners younger than him: Coppi
(1940), Saronni (1979), Bartali (1936), Balmamion (1961)
and another guy in the '30s whose name now escapes me

Elite company, to be sure. It may not mean much, but at
least Cunego is the first from a generation that ign'ant
Americans like me were awake to pay attention... 😉

-Sonarrat.

In article <[email hidden]>, Sonarrat

Quoted message said:

Davide Tosi said:

Sonarrat said:

[Cunego] Yes. Doesn't matter if he never does as well
again (though he certainly will), he will forever be the
baby of the Giro d'Italia...

There had been 5 Giro winners younger than him: Coppi
(1940), Saronni (1979), Bartali (1936), Balmamion (1961)
and another guy in the '30s whose name now escapes me

Elite company, to be sure. It may not mean much, but at
least Cunego is the first from a generation that ign'ant
Americans like me were awake to pay attention... 😉

Some of us know Saronni. I even got to watch him riding up
the clmbs near Lake Berryessa and into Sacramento during the
Coors Classic.

-WG

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I simply don't see how any man could cross the line in
1st place eight times in 6 weeks, also taking the
overall GC of a small stage race followed by a Grand
Tour, with anything less than total dedication over the
span of several years.

Perhaps you could look back at Ullrich's career.

Pretty easy to do...

trap-friis.dktyskland.Ullrich.htmOpen ↗

No, I simply don't see the same sudden explosion out of the
amateur ranks like that of Cunego. Popovych seems to compare
more directly to Ullrich. Like Ullrich, when Popo tackled
his first Grand Tour, he was ready for it - not all-
conquering, as Ullrich was in the '96 Tour, but more than
ready. Cunego struggled quite a bit in the '03 Giro, by
contrast. Even this year he was deeply disadvantaged in some
ways, particularly in the ITT. His was a pure climber's win,
fought out on the open road in a way which made the cold,
lonely ITT seem not to matter at all - no wonder people are
calling him the next Pantani.

-Sonarrat.

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I simply don't see how any man could cross the line in
1st place eight times in 6 weeks, also taking the
overall GC of a small stage race followed by a Grand
Tour, with anything less than total dedication over
the span of several years.

Perhaps you could look back at Ullrich's career.

Pretty easy to do...

trap-friis.dktyskland.Ullrich.htmOpen ↗

No, I simply don't see the same sudden explosion out of
the amateur ranks like that of Cunego. Popovych seems to
compare more directly to Ullrich. Like Ullrich, when Popo
tackled his first Grand Tour, he was ready for it - not
all-conquering, as Ullrich was in the '96 Tour, but more
than ready. Cunego struggled quite a bit in the '03 Giro,
by contrast. Even this year he was deeply disadvantaged in
some ways, particularly in the ITT. His was a pure
climber's win, fought out on the open road in a way which
made the cold, lonely ITT seem not to matter at all - no
wonder people are calling him the next Pantani.

And who did Cunego beat? A sick Garzelli, Simoni not in top
form, Cioni, who has been building his fitness during the
past years and only this year is he coming into form, and
two other guys (Tonkov and Honchar) who were good 10 years
ago. IOW, don't read too much into the result of this
year's Giro.

-WG

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>
> I simply don't see how any man could cross the line
> in 1st place eight times in 6 weeks, also taking the
> overall GC of a small stage race followed by a Grand
> Tour, with anything less than total dedication over
> the span of several years.

Perhaps you could look back at Ullrich's career.

Pretty easy to do...

trap-friis.dktyskland.Ullrich.htmOpen ↗

No, I simply don't see the same sudden explosion out of
the amateur ranks

like

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that of Cunego. Popovych seems to compare more directly
to Ullrich. Like Ullrich, when Popo tackled his first
Grand Tour, he was ready for it - not all-conquering, as
Ullrich was in the '96 Tour, but more than ready. Cunego
struggled quite a bit in the '03 Giro, by contrast. Even
this year he was deeply disadvantaged in some ways,
particularly in the ITT. His was a pure climber's win,
fought out on the open road in a way which made the
cold, lonely ITT seem not to matter at all - no wonder
people are calling him the next Pantani.

And who did Cunego beat? A sick Garzelli, Simoni not in
top form, Cioni, who has been building his fitness during
the past years and only this year is he coming into form,
and two other guys (Tonkov and Honchar) who were good 10
years ago. IOW, don't read too much into the result of
this year's Giro.

Should we disregard the results of the 150 other top
professionals who participated, then?

-Sonarrat.

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Sonarrat .. said:

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> "Sonarrat" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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> >
> > I simply don't see how any man could cross the
> > line in 1st place eight times in 6 weeks, also
> > taking the overall GC of a small stage race
> > followed by a Grand Tour, with anything less than
> > total dedication over the span of several years.
>
> Perhaps you could look back at Ullrich's career.

Pretty easy to do...

trap-friis.dktyskland.Ullrich.htmOpen ↗

No, I simply don't see the same sudden explosion out
of the amateur ranks

like

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that of Cunego. Popovych seems to compare more
directly to Ullrich. Like Ullrich, when Popo tackled
his first Grand Tour, he was ready for it - not all-
conquering, as Ullrich was in the '96 Tour, but more
than ready. Cunego struggled quite a bit in the '03
Giro, by contrast. Even this year he was deeply
disadvantaged in some ways, particularly in the ITT.
His was a pure climber's win, fought out on the open
road in a way which made the cold, lonely ITT seem not
to matter at all - no wonder people are calling him
the next Pantani.

And who did Cunego beat? A sick Garzelli, Simoni not in
top form, Cioni, who has been building his fitness
during the past years and only this year is he coming
into form, and two other guys (Tonkov and Honchar) who
were good 10 years ago. IOW, don't read too much into
the result of this year's Giro.

Should we disregard the results of the 150 other top
professionals who participated, then?

Non-contenders? They are what they are. Some years a race is
harder than other years. Best to keep the results in
relative perspective.

-WG

To do what? Show him how to take his EPO, or where to buy
the best coke? Pantani would be a poor role model. Now Riis,
he's a mentor. Sure he may or may not have a great dope
program going, but he can still lead and motivate.

CH

Quoted message said:

Tom, That's very interesting you say that because I have
heard Cunego has shown incredible form over the last
couple of years when he was motivated to train. When he
wasn't motivated....bye bye bike. Very much like Ullrich
indeed. I think he could really use a mentor to keep him
focused. Too bad Pantani isn't around any longer. He'd be
up for the task.

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To do what? Show him how to take his EPO, or where to buy
the best coke? Pantani would be a poor role model. Now Riis,
he's a mentor. Sure he may or may not have a great dope
program going, but he can still lead and motivate.

CH

Quoted message said:

Tom, That's very interesting you say that because I have
heard Cunego has shown incredible form over the last
couple of years when he was motivated to train. When he
wasn't motivated....bye bye bike. Very much like Ullrich
indeed. I think he could really use a mentor to keep him
focused. Too bad Pantani isn't around any longer. He'd be
up for the task.

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