Bike Tools

BobI said:

I'm thinking of buying some bike tools so I can do some of my own maintenance work and maybe build
a frame up at some time. I like maintaining my cars, so I thought working on my bike would give me
a chance to learn more about the thing.

Here's the question. I'd like any recommendations on a good set of tools for home bike
maintenance. Spin Doctor and Park come to mind. I like Park tools, but the price. Are Spin Doc
any good?

Can't comment on Spin Doctor, but Lifu also make a complete one-price set, and their individual
tools are nice.

r. ingersoll-<< I'd like any recommendations on a good set of tools for home bike maintenance. Spin
Doctor and Park come to mind. I like Park tools, but the price.

Pedros has a tremendous suitcased tool kit that is about as good as it gets. Much Superior to
Park, IMO-

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r. ingersoll-<< I'd like any recommendations on a good set of tools for home bike maintenance.
Spin Doctor and Park come to mind. I like Park

tools,

Quoted message said:

but the price.

Pedros has a tremendous suitcased tool kit that is about as good as it

gets.

Quoted message said:

Much Superior to Park, IMO-

Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St. Boulder, CO, 80302
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Whatever tools you buy, buy the very best that you can afford. And if you can't afford the best,
wait 'till you can. There is nothing worse than gizzing up something on your bike because a cheap
tool let you down. Busted knuckles can heal, but that big gouge on your crankarm won't.

dave hanson!! the problem defines itself after "doing your own work" that is when the mech. diy
knows what the bike needs(after the diy mech has screwed it up in his very own idiosyncratic style
and that's more knowing than having the LBS screw it up in their style whcih will probably be a
mystery) doing your own work results in your own private and in-depth paranoia about WHATS AGONNA
HAPPEN ON THE ROAD based on what disasters experienced going ondown to the superduper. my kit ways
in a something like 14 lbs leaving only a giant channelock out(on second thought...) reason being i
can maybe trade goodwill for a tool loan- rearing the weight gods ugly heads-yeah but are you
carrying beans?? once beans are carried then the 14 pound problem recedes somewhat. the
distance-remotness idea-ace! walking ten miles in the hot sun pushing a bike is uncool

I bought the cheap $50 Nasbar tool kit, and replaced the tools that didn't get the job done with
better ones. I needed to get a better BB lockring spanner and a freewheel tool, but the rest work
ok. I've used the cone wrenches, the headset wrenches, the pedal wrench + crank removers, and BB
tool with out any problems.

Steve.

BobI said:

I'm thinking of buying some bike tools so I can do some of my own maintenance work and maybe build
a frame up at some time. I like maintaining my cars, so I thought working on my bike would give me
a chance to learn more about the thing.

Here's the question. I'd like any recommendations on a good set of tools for home bike
maintenance. Spin Doctor and Park come to mind. I like Park tools, but the price. Are Spin Doc
any good?

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dave hanson!! the problem defines itself after "doing your own work" that is when the mech. diy
knows what the bike needs(after the diy mech has screwed it up in his very own idiosyncratic style
and that's more knowing than having the LBS screw it up in their style whcih will probably be a
mystery) doing your own work results in your own private and in-depth paranoia about WHATS AGONNA
HAPPEN ON THE ROAD based on what disasters experienced going ondown to the superduper. my kit ways
in a something like 14 lbs leaving only a giant channelock out(on second thought...) reason being
i can maybe trade goodwill for a tool loan- rearing the weight gods ugly heads-yeah but are you
carrying beans?? once beans are carried then the 14 pound problem recedes somewhat. the
distance-remotness idea-ace! walking ten miles in the hot sun pushing a bike is uncool

Anybody know what the hell this guy is raving on about?!?!?

My Spin Doctor tool box, $89 to $99 depending on the week, is great. It is not like Park and is far
less. I'm an advanced user and home mechanic.

I like Peter's recommendation for the Pedro's suitcase toolkit. I need something more and a
second toolbox.

"BobI" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Here's the question. I'd like any recommendations on a good set of tools

for

Quoted message said:

home bike maintenance. Spin Doctor and Park come to mind. I like Park

tools,

Quoted message said:

but the price. Are Spin Doc any good?

Dave Thompson said:

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dave hanson!! the problem defines itself after "doing your own work" that is when the mech. diy
knows what the bike needs(after the diy mech has screwed it up in his very own idiosyncratic
style and that's more knowing than having the LBS screw it up in their style whcih will probably
be a mystery) doing your own work results in your own private and in-depth paranoia about WHATS
AGONNA HAPPEN ON THE ROAD based on what disasters experienced going ondown to the superduper. my
kit ways in a something like 14 lbs leaving only a giant channelock out(on second thought...)
reason being i can maybe trade goodwill for a tool loan- rearing the weight gods ugly heads-yeah
but are you carrying beans?? once beans are carried then the 14 pound problem recedes somewhat.
the distance-remotness idea-ace! walking ten miles in the hot sun pushing a bike is uncool

Anybody know what the hell this guy is raving on about?!?!?

Well, he might, but I wouldn't stake any money on it.

--
Benjamin Lewis

Money is a powerful aphrodisiac. But flowers work almost as well. -- Lazarus Long

"BobI" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I'm thinking of buying some bike tools so I can do some of my own maintenance work and maybe build
a frame up at some time. I like

maintaining

Quoted message said:

my cars, so I thought working on my bike would give me a chance to learn more about the thing.

Here's the question. I'd like any recommendations on a good set of tools

for

Quoted message said:

home bike maintenance. Spin Doctor and Park come to mind. I like Park

tools,

Quoted message said:

but the price. Are Spin Doc any good?

I'd recommend buying tools separately, rather than in a kit. Chances are you already have allen
wrenches, right? There are different kinds of bottom bracket tools, and if the one in the kit
doesn't match your BB, then it's not of much use. 2003 XTR doesn't even use one. A set of cone
wrenches won't help you if your hubs don't require them.

So while you can save some money buying a kit, if there are tools in there that you already own or
won't need, you'll ultimately spend less money by buying just what you need.

On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 06:47:53 GMT, "BobI" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Here's the question. I'd like any recommendations on a good set of tools for home bike maintenance.
Spin Doctor and Park come to mind. I like Park tools, but the price. Are Spin Doc any good?

You don't need many special tools to build up a bicycle. You will need a cassette and bb tool. Any
brand seems to work ok for amateur use. I happen to like the Lifu cassette tool because it chucks
into my vise easilly and I think both my Shimano and Campy bb tools are Park.

Spoke wrench, Spokey is far better than the DT tool.

I like ball end Hex wrenches and Elkind work fine. 3,4,5,6, 8, 10. Spend money on these wrenches,
particularly the 5.

I have not had good luck with the Park cone wrenches, 13,15, (16 & 17 maybe). The Pedro's wrenches
are stunning.

A set of diagonal cutters. My Shimano housing cutter worked fine but I bought myself a Felco C7 to
hand down to future generations.

If you don't have a threaded headset, that's about all that you'll need and I'm sure you'll have
some of it already. If you have a threaded headset, you will need at least one 32 mm headset wrench
and a wide adjustable wrench. If not, a 2nd 32 mm wrench.

A set of calipers is nice and you can find some on Ebay for about $40 that have one more significant
digit and are seem made better than the General that you'll find most widely distributed and cost
double that. I couldn't resist a set of plastic calipers at the 99¢ store for
2/99¢. I can tell the difference between a 2.0 and 1.5 mm spoke with them and they are accurate
enough for most routine bicycle stuff.

Great advise guys, thanks.

Here's my take. Your right I have a lot of the less specialized tools already. I was lucky my dad
started me off well some years ago with Snap-on tools. They have never failed. They only disappear.
I wish they made bike tools.

I'll start buying the "good" stuff as I need them and shop Harbor Freight for the stuff that doesn't
matter, although they do carry some of the better stuff too.

Thanks for the real specific recommendations Paul. I'm gonna start on your list soon, but I've never
heard of Lifu or Felco tools.

I can only drool over the Pedro's Master tool Kit at this point. The wife says she wants to get the
Visa balance down.

Thank again, BI

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BobI said:

I'm thinking of buying some bike tools so I can do some of my own maintenance work and maybe
build a frame up at some time. I like maintaining my cars, so I thought working on my bike would
give me a chance to learn more about the thing.

Here's the question. I'd like any recommendations on a good set of tools for home bike
maintenance. Spin Doctor and Park come to mind. I like Park tools, but the price. Are Spin Doc
any good?

Can't comment on Spin Doctor, but Lifu also make a complete one-price set, and their individual
tools are nice.

A lot of the Spin Doctor tools are just rebranded Lifu, I believe. For instance, my Spin Doctor
chain tool has plastic caps that have the Lifu logo. The chain tool, Spin Doctor cone wrenches, and
lockring tool I have work fine. I think Supergo sells the same tools under the Aerion name.

Dave Thompson said:

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dave hanson!! the problem defines itself after "doing your own work" that is when the mech. diy
knows what the bike needs(after the diy mech has screwed it up in his very own idiosyncratic
style and that's more knowing than having the LBS screw it up in their style whcih will probably
be a mystery) doing your own work results in your own private and in-depth paranoia about WHATS
AGONNA HAPPEN ON THE ROAD based on what disasters experienced going ondown to the superduper. my
kit ways in a something like 14 lbs leaving only a giant channelock out(on second thought...)
reason being i can maybe trade goodwill for a tool loan- rearing the weight gods ugly heads-yeah
but are you carrying beans?? once beans are carried then the 14 pound problem recedes somewhat.
the distance-remotness idea-ace! walking ten miles in the hot sun pushing a bike is uncool

Anybody know what the hell this guy is raving on about?!?!?

I'm glad someone asked...

BobI said:

Great advise guys, thanks.

Here's my take. Your right I have a lot of the less specialized tools already. I was lucky my dad
started me off well some years ago with Snap-on tools. They have never failed. They only disappear.
I wish they made bike tools.

I'll start buying the "good" stuff as I need them and shop Harbor Freight for the stuff that
doesn't matter, although they do carry some of the better stuff too.

Thanks for the real specific recommendations Paul. I'm gonna start on your list soon, but I've
never heard of Lifu or Felco tools.

I can only drool over the Pedro's Master tool Kit at this point. The wife says she wants to get the
Visa balance down.

Thank again, BI

I'll second Pauls list and suggest you add VAR tools if the are still around (the ones I have are
ancient and still good)

I took a look at the Pedros master kit.... what a burn!

even assuming that everything in there is the best quality of it available... you could still part
that out to park / Lifu / Craftsman and come in much cheaper...

"Master Kit" no BB taps ... no HS press ... No reamers/champfering tools of any kind .. no cable
puller ... no thirdhand tool (does anyone need one of those?) .. no chain whips...

If you are going to drool find one of the old Campi tool kits... in the custom Cherry(?) case...
they were a work of art.

Park are greatly overpriced for the quality.

Check out Pedro and/or look for Wrench Force (a Trek house brand but made by Snap-On).

Spin Doc is a Performance house brand, I believe.

Quoted message said:

Here's the question. I'd like any recommendations on a good set of tools for home bike
maintenance. Spin Doctor and Park come to mind. I like Park tools, but the price. Are Spin Doc
any good?

(g.daniels) said:

dave hanson!! the problem defines itself after "doing your own work" that is when the mech. diy
knows what the bike needs(after the diy mech has screwed it up in his very own idiosyncratic style
and that's more knowing than having the LBS screw it up in their style whcih will probably be a
mystery) doing your own work results in your own private and in-depth paranoia about WHATS AGONNA
HAPPEN ON THE ROAD based on what disasters experienced going ondown to the superduper. my kit ways
in a something like 14 lbs leaving only a giant channelock out(on second thought...) reason being i
can maybe trade goodwill for a tool loan- rearing the weight gods ugly heads-yeah but are you
carrying beans?? once beans are carried then the 14 pound problem recedes somewhat. the
distance-remotness idea-ace! walking ten miles in the hot sun pushing a bike is uncool

DUDE.... lay off the PRODUCT W! Nimrod Hugentobler
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Steve <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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I bought the cheap $50 Nasbar tool kit, and replaced the tools that didn't get the job done with
better ones

Exactly. when i got my nashbar set, it was 45 bucks and a couple for shipping. it is a mix of lifu
tools, and no-name generic. however, the 45 dollars is well worth it for what you get, and the
absolute junk (in my set, it was the cone wrenches and adjustable lockring wrench) got replaced. in
fact- a couple of the lifu tools, like the BB splined tool, work better for me than the park ones
ive used. (i had the woodshop i run buy a park toolset.. you know, for wood.)

the nicest tools are the nicest tools. but if you dont have the nicest paycheck, nashbar generic is
fine, as long as you take up the slack where necessary.

i also have to say that i bought this toolkit a few years ago, and i know that nashbar has upgraded
some of it since then. i also know that when i broke a tool, they sent me a new one immediately. (of
course, if you buy pedro, you wont break tools, but i just dont have the free cash right now)

Paul Kopit said:

I have not had good luck with the Park cone wrenches, 13,15, (16 & 17 maybe). The Pedro's wrenches
are stunning.

Many years ago a friend of mine who's been a bike mechanic for decades recommended Kingsbridge cone
wrenches. I've never regretted buying them.

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aw you can't read. bimmer! listen, chuck the adj wrench and go for the lightest vise grips then when
the cable needs held between the teeth... gonna screw up your nuts? don't use on your nuts-hear the
one about the camel? use different nuts! boy there's an idea! the big question(this refers to size
of the tool, guys) is the headset wrench for those of us flogging along on a solid front ends over
rough roads, distinctly a behavioral problem as one person's rough road is paradise to the next
flogger. hard to find a headset wrench in the boonies? clearly a question of paranoia, doing your
own work or letting the LBS screw it up. see, it's behavioral. to get from A to B one must use one's
HEAD! not one's tool.