Roberto The [censored]

Classic case of denial. He's probably working how his
personal explanation of the Transit of Venus as the Sun
obviously revolves around HIM.

B. Lafferty said:

Hi Roberto!

Nice to learn from Cycling News that you're a follower
of rbr. Speaking about the numerous defamatory
articles that have being posted about him in Internet
newsgroups, Gaggioli retorted by saying, "I feel sorry
for them because I am going to be there a longer time
than them. I think these people there don't have any
life. That is why they are posting there."

It's too bad criminal charges weren't filed against
you. I'd love to see the juror's faces as you present
your defense:

"I don't know if it was for defending myself or what, I
just grabbed a two-by-four," Gaggioli recalled in an
interview with Cyclingnews' Mark Zalewski on the eve of
the USPRO Championships. "Everyone knows about it, I'm not
lying - I admitted it. I grabbed it to scare him. I hit
the bike. I didn't try to hurt him. If I wanted to hurt
him I would hurt in hin the race, you know? That's the
easy way. We were two people involved in the incident, and
I'm the only one to pay for it."

Some free advice for you Roberto. You might want to
get an attorney to explain to you the law of assault
and self-defense. Be certain to ask the attorney if
the retreat rule applies in the jusrisdiction in
question.

"Richard Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Classic case of denial. He's probably working how his
personal explanation of the Transit of Venus as the Sun
obviously revolves around HIM.

Why did your comment immediately cause my mind to dredge up
Marcus Aurelius' explanation for how prostitutes prevent
conception; that is, by writhing

Fine bit of journalism by CN. "Don't tell; show!"

Kirby.

"Richard Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Classic case of denial. He's probably working how his
personal explanation of the Transit of Venus as the Sun
obviously revolves around HIM.

B. Lafferty said:

Hi Roberto!

Nice to learn from Cycling News that you're a
follower of rbr. Speaking about the numerous
defamatory articles that have being posted about him
in Internet newsgroups, Gaggioli retorted by saying,
"I feel sorry for them because I am going to be
there a longer time than them. I think these people
there don't have any life. That is why they are
posting there."

It's too bad criminal charges weren't filed against
you. I'd love to see the juror's faces as you
present your defense:

"I don't know if it was for defending myself or what, I
just grabbed a two-by-four," Gaggioli recalled in an
interview with Cyclingnews' Mark

[Snip]

B. Lafferty said:

"Richard Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Classic case of denial. He's probably working how his
personal explanation of the Transit of Venus as the Sun
obviously revolves around HIM.

Why did your comment immediately cause my mind to dredge
up Marcus Aurelius' explanation for how prostitutes
prevent conception; that is, by writhing

Less Bailey's this time.

The fine article on VN, under Mr. Rogers Neighborhood had an
outstanding picture of Sundt's bike. It's quite a stretch to
imagine Johnny trying to club Roberto with his bike, but
fortunately for Roberto he had that 2x4 handy to fend the
bike off with. (for more of this style of combat see Troy)

Kirby Krieger said:

Fine bit of journalism by CN. "Don't tell; show!"

Kirby.

"Richard Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Classic case of denial. He's probably working how his
personal explanation of the Transit of Venus as the Sun
obviously revolves around HIM.

B. Lafferty said:

Hi Roberto!

Nice to learn from Cycling News that you're a
follower of rbr. Speaking about the numerous
defamatory articles that have being posted about him
in Internet newsgroups, Gaggioli retorted by saying,
"I feel sorry for them because I am going to be there
a longer time than them. I think these people there
don't have any life. That is why they are posting
there."

It's too bad criminal charges weren't filed against
you. I'd love to see the juror's faces as you present
your defense:

"I don't know if it was for defending myself or what, I
just grabbed a two-by-four," Gaggioli recalled in an
interview with Cyclingnews' Mark

[Snip]

"Richard Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

B. Lafferty said:

"Richard Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in
message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Classic case of denial. He's probably working how his
personal explanation of the Transit of Venus as the Sun
obviously revolves around HIM.

Why did your comment immediately cause my mind to dredge
up Marcus

Aurelius'

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

explanation for how prostitutes prevent conception; that
is, by writhing

Quoted message said:

Less Bailey's this time.

Good advice. :-)

In article <[email hidden]>, B.

Lafferty said:

Hi Roberto!

Nice to learn from Cycling News that you're a follower
of rbr. Speaking about the numerous defamatory
articles that have being posted about him in Internet
newsgroups, Gaggioli retorted by saying, "I feel sorry
for them because I am going to be there a longer time
than them. I think these people there don't have any
life. That is why they are posting there."

It's too bad criminal charges weren't filed against
you. I'd love to see the juror's faces as you present
your defense:

"I don't know if it was for defending myself or what, I
just grabbed a two-by-four," Gaggioli recalled in an
interview with Cyclingnews' Mark Zalewski on the eve of
the USPRO Championships. "Everyone knows about it, I'm not
lying - I admitted it. I grabbed it to scare him. I hit
the bike. I didn't try to hurt him. If I wanted to hurt
him I would hurt in hin the race, you know? That's the
easy way. We were two people involved in the incident, and
I'm the only one to pay for it."

I've done some races with him and I haven't always liked how
he handled himself among amateur racers during the finales
but otherwise he's been fine and we've exchanged a joke or
two during races once in awhile. I don't agree with going
after somebody with a 2 x 4 but what would others suggest is
a better means of stopping the behavior of the other
rider(s) that got him that mad in the first place? Should he
retaliate DURING the race when other (innocent) riders could
have been harmed by doing so? And don't suggest he shouldn't
retaliate because from what I've read retailiation of some
kind was in order. It's also worth noting that the guy
Roberto went after saw the whole thing for what it really
was and both riders agreed later that they were done with it
and should move on.

So Brian et al, next time somebody endangers you by
intentionally slamming you into a curb on the last lap
whatcha gonna do about it? ...And when y'all answer try to
think like a bike racer who makes his living on a bike and
needs to reach a mutual understanding in a lot less time and
money than it would take with lawyers involved.

-WG

warren said:

In article
<[email hidden]>, B.

Lafferty said:

Hi Roberto!

Nice to learn from Cycling News that you're a follower
of rbr. Speaking about the numerous defamatory
articles that have being posted about him in Internet
newsgroups, Gaggioli retorted by saying, "I feel sorry
for them because I am going to be there a longer time
than them. I think these people there don't have any
life. That is why they are posting there."

It's too bad criminal charges weren't filed against
you. I'd love to see the juror's faces as you present
your defense:

"I don't know if it was for defending myself or what, I
just grabbed a two-by-four," Gaggioli recalled in an
interview with Cyclingnews' Mark Zalewski on the eve of
the USPRO Championships. "Everyone knows about it, I'm not
lying - I admitted it. I grabbed it to scare him. I hit
the bike. I didn't try to hurt him. If I wanted to hurt
him I would hurt in hin the race, you know? That's the
easy way. We were two people involved in the incident, and
I'm the only one to pay for it."

I've done some races with him and I haven't always liked
how he handled himself among amateur racers during the
finales but otherwise he's been fine and we've exchanged a
joke or two during races once in awhile. I don't agree
with going after somebody with a 2 x 4 but what would
others suggest is a better means of stopping the behavior
of the other rider(s) that got him that mad in the first
place? Should he retaliate DURING the race when other
(innocent) riders could have been harmed by doing so? And
don't suggest he shouldn't retaliate because from what
I've read retailiation of some kind was in order. It's
also worth noting that the guy Roberto went after saw the
whole thing for what it really was and both riders agreed
later that they were done with it and should move on.

So Brian et al, next time somebody endangers you by
intentionally slamming you into a curb on the last lap
whatcha gonna do about it? ...And when y'all answer try to
think like a bike racer who makes his living on a bike and
needs to reach a mutual understanding in a lot less time
and money than it would take with lawyers involved.

-WG

Sounds a little like our foreign policy.

Steve

--
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Brooklyn, NY

"warren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In article
<[email hidden]>, B.

Lafferty said:

Hi Roberto!

Nice to learn from Cycling News that you're a follower of
rbr.
Speaking about the numerous defamatory articles that have
being posted

about

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

him in Internet newsgroups, Gaggioli retorted by saying,
"I feel sorry

for

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

them because I am going to be there a longer time than
them. I think

these

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

people there don't have any life. That is why they are
posting there."

It's too bad criminal charges weren't filed against
you. I'd love

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

see the juror's faces as you present your defense:

"I don't know if it was for defending myself or what, I
just grabbed a two-by-four," Gaggioli recalled in an
interview with Cyclingnews' Mark Zalewski on the eve of
the USPRO Championships. "Everyone knows about

it,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'm not lying - I admitted it. I grabbed it to scare
him. I hit the

bike. I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

didn't try to hurt him. If I wanted to hurt him I would
hurt in hin the race, you know? That's the easy way. We
were two people involved in the incident, and I'm the
only one to pay for it."

I've done some races with him and I haven't always liked
how he handled himself among amateur racers during the
finales but otherwise he's been fine and we've exchanged a
joke or two during races once in awhile. I don't agree
with going after somebody with a 2 x 4 but what would
others suggest is a better means of stopping the behavior
of the other rider(s) that got him that mad in the first
place? Should he retaliate DURING the race when other
(innocent) riders could have been harmed by doing so? And
don't suggest he shouldn't retaliate because from what
I've read retailiation of some kind was in order. It's
also worth noting that the guy Roberto went after saw the
whole thing for what it really was and both riders agreed
later that they were done with it and should move on.

So Brian et al, next time somebody endangers you by
intentionally slamming you into a curb on the last lap
whatcha gonna do about it? ...And when y'all answer try to
think like a bike racer who makes his living on a bike and
needs to reach a mutual understanding in a lot less time
and money than it would take with lawyers involved.

How I would handle it isn't the issue. What Roberto did was
to apparently perpetrate an assault with a deadly weapon. It
appears from reports of the incident that he was under no
immediate threat requiring the use of such force to defend
himself. Presumably, he had the ability to withdraw from the
confrontation thereby negating any potential reliance he
might have had to the legal defense of self-defense.

I guess Roberto forgot about this:

"I saw him get off his bike, and I thought he wanted to have
a chat," Sundt said. "But he took apart one of the police
barriers and had this two-by-four in his hands. It is a
really physical sport, but I didn't know it was going to go
to that degree. I'd already set my bike down, because I
thought maybe he wanted to square up. At the last minute I
picked up my bike and blocked [the two-by-four]."

Gaggioli denied the two-by-four tale. "Those are just
rumors," Gaggioli said. "It's not true." When asked how he
accounted for the dent in Sundt's frame, Gaggioli answered,
"I don't know. Maybe he crashed."

But Sundt and Rice say five witnesses signed statements to
USA Cycling attesting that Gaggioli had indeed assaulted
Sundt with a piece of wood.

"There are a bunch of witnesses," Rice said. "It's not like
it was in some back alley. There were a couple of guys that
saw the whole thing."

That there exist a handful of signed statements is one of
the few facts USCF Southeast regional coordinator George
Heagerty would confirm.

Quoted message said:

"I don't know if it was for defending myself or what, I
just grabbed a two-by-four," Gaggioli recalled in an
interview with Cyclingnews' Mark Zalewski on the eve of
the USPRO Championships. "Everyone knows about it, I'm not
lying - I admitted it. I grabbed it to scare him. I hit
the bike. I didn't try to hurt him. If I wanted to hurt
him I would hurt in hin the race, you know? That's the
easy way. We were two people involved in the incident, and
I'm the only one to pay for it."

Some free advice for you Roberto. You might want to
get an attorney to explain to you the law of assault
and self-defense. Be certain to ask the attorney if
the retreat rule applies in the jusrisdiction in
question.

"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"warren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In article
<[email hidden]>, B.

Lafferty said:

Hi Roberto!

Nice to learn from Cycling News that you're a follower
of rbr.
Speaking about the numerous defamatory articles that
have being posted

about

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

him in Internet newsgroups, Gaggioli retorted by
saying, "I feel sorry

for

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

them because I am going to be there a longer time than
them. I think

these

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

people there don't have any life. That is why they are
posting there."

It's too bad criminal charges weren't filed
against you. I'd love

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

see the juror's faces as you present your defense:

"I don't know if it was for defending myself or what,
I just grabbed a two-by-four," Gaggioli recalled in an
interview with Cyclingnews' Mark Zalewski on the eve
of the USPRO Championships. "Everyone knows about

it,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'm not lying - I admitted it. I grabbed it to scare
him. I hit the

bike. I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

didn't try to hurt him. If I wanted to hurt him I
would hurt in hin

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

race, you know? That's the easy way. We were two
people involved in

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

incident, and I'm the only one to pay for it."

I've done some races with him and I haven't always liked
how he handled himself among amateur racers during the
finales but otherwise he's been fine and we've exchanged
a joke or two during races once in awhile. I don't agree
with going after somebody with a 2 x 4 but what would
others suggest is a better means of stopping the
behavior of the other rider(s) that got him that mad in
the first place? Should he retaliate DURING the race
when other (innocent) riders could have been harmed by
doing so? And don't suggest he shouldn't retaliate
because from what I've read retailiation of some kind
was in order. It's also worth noting that the guy
Roberto went after saw the whole thing for what it
really was and both riders agreed later that they were
done with it and should move on.

So Brian et al, next time somebody endangers you by
intentionally slamming you into a curb on the last lap
whatcha gonna do about it? ...And when y'all answer try
to think like a bike racer who makes his living on a
bike and needs to reach a mutual understanding in a lot
less time and money than it would take with lawyers
involved.

How I would handle it isn't the issue. What Roberto did
was to apparently perpetrate an assault with a deadly
weapon. It appears from reports of the incident that he
was under no immediate threat requiring the use of such
force to defend himself. Presumably, he had the ability to
withdraw from the confrontation thereby negating any
potential reliance he might have

had

Quoted message said:

to the legal defense of self-defense.

Warren seems to be saying that Gag' *had to* do "something".

I will respond to that. Gag' should have lodged a complaint
with the officials and with the local jurisdiction if any
crimes were committed. That is how one is supposed to
respond to criminal aggression. Instead he chose to escalate
the situation (with a weapon). He had an infinite number of
choices without resorting to crime.

"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

"Richard Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Classic case of denial. He's probably working how his
personal explanation of the Transit of Venus as the Sun
obviously revolves around HIM.

Why did your comment immediately cause my mind to dredge
up Marcus Aurelius' explanation for how prostitutes
prevent conception; that is, by writhing

Have a quote or cite on that one?

[email hidden]

why did that greasy haired hasbeen tell velonews that he had
no idea how John Sundt's bike got dented and that maybe it
happened by crashing in the race?????

what a jerk off.

his wife is cute for a bike racer, which really isnt
saying much

In article <[email hidden]>, B.

Lafferty said:

"warren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article
<[email hidden]>, B.

Lafferty said:

Hi Roberto!

Nice to learn from Cycling News that you're a follower
of rbr.
Speaking about the numerous defamatory articles that
have being posted

about

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

him in Internet newsgroups, Gaggioli retorted by
saying, "I feel sorry

for

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

them because I am going to be there a longer time than
them. I think

these

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

people there don't have any life. That is why they are
posting there."

It's too bad criminal charges weren't filed
against you. I'd love

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

see the juror's faces as you present your defense:

"I don't know if it was for defending myself or what,
I just grabbed a two-by-four," Gaggioli recalled in an
interview with Cyclingnews' Mark Zalewski on the eve
of the USPRO Championships. "Everyone knows about

it,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'm not lying - I admitted it. I grabbed it to scare
him. I hit the

bike. I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

didn't try to hurt him. If I wanted to hurt him I
would hurt in hin the race, you know? That's the easy
way. We were two people involved in the incident, and
I'm the only one to pay for it."

I've done some races with him and I haven't always liked
how he handled himself among amateur racers during the
finales but otherwise he's been fine and we've exchanged
a joke or two during races once in awhile. I don't agree
with going after somebody with a 2 x 4 but what would
others suggest is a better means of stopping the
behavior of the other rider(s) that got him that mad in
the first place? Should he retaliate DURING the race
when other (innocent) riders could have been harmed by
doing so? And don't suggest he shouldn't retaliate
because from what I've read retailiation of some kind
was in order. It's also worth noting that the guy
Roberto went after saw the whole thing for what it
really was and both riders agreed later that they were
done with it and should move on.

So Brian et al, next time somebody endangers you by
intentionally slamming you into a curb on the last lap
whatcha gonna do about it? ...And when y'all answer try
to think like a bike racer who makes his living on a
bike and needs to reach a mutual understanding in a lot
less time and money than it would take with lawyers
involved.

How I would handle it isn't the issue. What Roberto did
was to apparently perpetrate an assault with a deadly
weapon. It appears from reports of the incident that he
was under no immediate threat requiring the use of such
force to defend himself. Presumably, he had the ability to
withdraw from the confrontation thereby negating any
potential reliance he might have had to the legal defense
of self-defense.

I agree mostly with what you've said but you didn't offer an
alternative way for Gaggioli to stop Sundt's behavior. It
really isn't an issue of self defense. It's an issue among
professional bike racers establishing what is tolerable and
what is not. Doing it in the parking lot is safer for the
innocent riders among them during a race.

-WG

In article <[email hidden]>, Chris

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Warren seems to be saying that Gag' *had to* do
"something".

Yes he did, otherwise Sundt's behavior probably would have
continued.

Quoted message said:

I will respond to that. Gag' should have lodged a
complaint with the officials and with the local
jurisdiction if any crimes were committed. That is how one
is supposed to respond to criminal aggression.

That hardly even works in Hockey, nevermind a little bike
race. Do you know of any examples where your method proved
effective?

It's worth noting that the riders were okay with mutual
apologies but others outside the arena are not.

I see it as establishing turf within the peloton. Sundt was
trying to do that and Gagioli was responding. (It could have
been done in other ways) As Eddy B said in his book,
sometimes you have to crash instead of backing off because
if you always back off the other riders will know they can
push you around.

Last year a guy who is pretty well known shoved me out of
his way during a race and on the next lap I gave his bars a
tap with my knee during a turn. He got the message and there
was no more problem.

-WG

In article <[email hidden]>, Danny Callen

Quoted message said:

"warren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I agree mostly with what you've said but you didn't
offer an alternative way for Gaggioli to stop Sundt's
behavior. It really isn't an issue of self defense. It's
an issue among professional bike racers establishing
what is tolerable and what is not. Doing it in the
parking lot is safer for the innocent riders among them
during a race.

-WG

Okay, now I'm catchin' up. I understand your argument and
agree that an official would do little other than maybe
disqualify Sundt for his actions (and by the way that is
only if more than one rider capitulated the actions of
Sundt). I also understand how easy it is to fly off the
handle in such a situation and think two things. One, it's
a real [censored] move in my opinion to pick up a two by four.
I've seen Johnny Sundt and I think I [censored] bigger than him.

I'd say Roberto is about 5'6" tall and maybe 150 pounds.

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Did Roberto really need a 2x4 to make his point?

You're forgetting that Sundt came towards Roberto after a
previous race and told Roberto he wanted to punch him right
there and Roberto says he told Sundt he didn't want to
fight him, then turned his back and rode away. The next
time Sundt did this to/with Gaggioli is when Roberto found
the nearby 2x4.

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Secondly, I have to assume Roberto's reputation probably
exacerbated the situation. What would I have done? The
same thing I've done in the past. Confront the rider
without a "weapon"

Supposedly it was Sundt who came to Gaggioli. I could be
wrong but it sounded like when Gaggioli saw Sundt coming
toward him in a very threatening manner (for a second time
in successive races) Gaggioli grabbed a 2x4 from a nearby
crowd barrier. I don't think we know whether Gaggioli took
a swing to defend himself from Sundt's advance or if
Gaggioli went towards Sundt and swung at him. But we do
know that both riders have agreed they did something wrong
and they apologized to each other at the next opportunity
(next race).

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I recognize your point but Roberto's actions make
whatever Johnny did in the race a moot point.

I think getting intentionally shoved off the road at high
speed is not a moot point.

-WG

warren said:

You're forgetting that Sundt came towards Roberto after a
previous race and told Roberto he wanted to punch him
right there and Roberto says he told Sundt he didn't want
to fight him, then turned his back and rode away. The next
time Sundt did this to/with Gaggioli is when Roberto found
the nearby 2x4.

So, Roberto doesn't really control Roberto, does he? Sundt
does. Sundt FORCED Gag to pick up the 2x4. And now
everyone's blaming Roberto for Sundt's action of forcing
Roberto to attack Sundt.

I saw something like this in a Star Trek episode once. There
was this planet full of people with psychokinetic powers and
Spock was like "No, no, don't make me kiss Uhura!" So I
understand exactly what you're talking about. Does Sundt
wear a gold leafy laurel thing on his head?

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In article <Svbxc.56303$3x.23387@attbi_s54>, Tim Lines

Quoted message said:

warren said:

You're forgetting that Sundt came towards Roberto after
a previous race and told Roberto he wanted to punch him
right there and Roberto says he told Sundt he didn't
want to fight him, then turned his back and rode away.
The next time Sundt did this to/with Gaggioli is when
Roberto found the nearby 2x4.

So, Roberto doesn't really control Roberto, does he? Sundt
does. Sundt FORCED Gag to pick up the 2x4. And now
everyone's blaming Roberto for Sundt's action of forcing
Roberto to attack Sundt.

You were there and saw what happened?

-WG

Tim Lines said:

warren said:

You're forgetting that Sundt came towards Roberto after a
previous race and told Roberto he wanted to punch him
right there and Roberto says he told Sundt he didn't want
to fight him, then turned his back and rode away. The
next time Sundt did this to/with Gaggioli is when Roberto
found the nearby 2x4.

So, Roberto doesn't really control Roberto, does he? Sundt
does. Sundt FORCED Gag to pick up the 2x4. And now
everyone's blaming Roberto for Sundt's action of forcing
Roberto to attack Sundt.

'FORCED' is one of those rationalizations people come up
with, which wouldn't carry any weight when exposed for its
own folly before rational minds. Gag did what Gag did,
he's nobody's puppet and he should have known better as
he's no child.

Gag made at least four errors, did you spot them?

1. He failed to take the issue up with race officials,
prefering to take matters into his own hands.
2. He assaulted someone with a weapon with intent to cause
bodily harm.
3. He failed to consider the consequences his actions would
have on his team.
4. With his extremely poor choice of actions and perjury
he's tarnishing the names of his sponsors.

He's quoted recently as saying he's still going to manage
the team, even as the suspension bars that. As a rider and
the team manager he's left his team and his team's sponsors
in an ugly predicament. No sponsor wants to be associated
with a thug (unless that thug happens to be Martha Stewart,
her [censored] is selling better than before her conviction, maybe
she should get together with Sean 'Puffy' Coombs.) There's a
very sound reason why police tell drivers to just 'walk
away' from offenses of other drivers, rather than go super
nova into road rage. What seems like a good idea when you're
white hot may seem like a very poor choice when you're
handcuffed and sitting in the back of a police car or trying
to convince a judge and 12 rational jurors the devil made
you do it.

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I saw something like this in a Star Trek episode once.
There was this planet full of people with psychokinetic
powers and Spock was like "No, no, don't make me kiss
Uhura!" So I understand exactly what you're talking about.
Does Sundt wear a gold leafy laurel thing on his head?

You should either follow cycling or be a trekkie, don't
mix the two.