Weight-loss question...

I forgot to convert from pounds to kg for the calories to
maintain weight, double the numbers for a kg, the numbers
given are for a pound,ie. 20/30 calories per kg.

"*Boink!" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Can I ask this group's knowledgeable posters how much time
they think it might take for a 5'9", 40-y/o man weighing
about 71kg to lose about 6kg in a healthy way (i.e.
through diet modification and moderate exercise)...?

One month? Three months? Six months...?

About two months, assuming a loss of about .9kg (2lb) of fat
per week and a gain of .23kg (.5lb) of muscle per week; the
latter assumes he does some weight training or other
resistance exercises. The muscle gain will help keep the fat
off later on.

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I forgot to convert from pounds to kg for the calories to
maintain weight, double the numbers for a kg, the numbers
given are for a pound,ie. 20/30 calories per kg.

Oh, damn: I am now *totally confused* once more!

I'll have to read all this again when I *haven't* been
drinking wine in the sun all afternoon...!

:-)

B.

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how much time they think it might take for a 5'9", 40-y/o
man weighing about 71kg to lose about 6kg

Most folks (like me, too) do not have the remotest idea what
a "kilogram" is. And...I never WANT to know.

Not really, look at italy and germany, no carb shirkers there and similar
obesity rates. the french paradox is about the rate of certain chronic
diseas, not weight perse. In fact the obesity increase in the US might
not exist as commonly percieved. I n today's NY Times is an article that
says it is just the most obese segment of the population that is getting
larger and that makes the average seem larger then is really reflected in
the low and middle segments of the population:

nytimes.com08cont.htmlOpen ↗
nted=print

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And it all fits in with and explains the so-called French
Paradox where the french eat copious amounts of fats and
not very much refined carbs and they have an obesity rate
of around 7%, while high-carb diet americans have obesity
rates exceeding 30%.

TC

In '80 congress passed an act allowing individual
researchers and the organization for which they work,
universities mostly, to patent materials developed as a
result of research. This was done as an incentive to provide
productis and techneques which could bendfit the public.
Congratulations, you have found one of thousands of such
examples in all areas of science and technology, such as for
example the two grad students who created the google search
enjine. In the past, the university might or night not have
owned all research results and the person was up the
proverbial creek. Universities and people who work there now
own and/or have created products and/or technologies
numbering in the thousands and the public has benefited
greatly by their efforts. Would you rather that one of the
major biotech firms have been the sole one to profit from
the research, they would have read the journal where the
researchh was reported and gotten the complete benefit from
it? Your level of real knowledge about science as a process
and the science community is profound in it's shallowness.
In any case, he is questioning the meaning of the obesity
statistics as commonly used, it makes no matter which way it
goes, his discovery may have a great role in some future
obesity treatment, he stands to profit no matter what so
your "discovery" is trivial in the extreme.

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Jeffrey Friedman, Rockefeller University, New York City.
Discoverer of leptin. According to The New York Times,
"Rockefeller University applied for a patent on the
discovery, and a biotechnology company, Amgen of
Thousand Oaks, Calif., licensed the commercial rights
for $20 million. Dr. Friedman got part of the money."
(New York Times,
10/17/00)

He stands to gain my minimizing the effects of high-carb
diets and influencing our collective thinking regarding
obesity. I consider this article as another piece of
industry marketing.

Regarding your reference to other europeans and their rates
of obesity similar to France, they also, like the french,
eat copious amounts of fat. Germans are famous for sausages
which are high in fat and Italians are famous for olive oil
and seafood. And they eat similar amounts of refined carbs
as the french. The french paradox involves rates of disease
and obesity, as generally, they go hand in hand.

TC

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Not really, look at italy and germany, no carb shirkers
there and similar obesity rates. the french paradox is
about the rate of certain chronic diseas, not weight
perse. In fact the obesity increase in the US might not
exist as commonly percieved. I n today's NY Times is an
article that says it is just the most obese segment of
the population that is getting larger and that makes the
average seem larger then is really reflected in the low
and middle segments of the population:

nytimes.com08cont.htmlOpen ↗
ewanted=print

Quoted message said:

And it all fits in with and explains the so-called
French Paradox where the french eat copious amounts of
fats and not very much refined carbs and they have an
obesity rate of around 7%, while high-carb diet
americans have obesity rates exceeding 30%.

TC

Regarding the story referenced: *** quote I BEG TO DIFFER
The Fat Epidemic: He Says It's an Illusion By GINA KOLATA

Ask anyone: Americans are getting fatter and fatter.
Advertising campaigns say they are. So do federal officials
and the scientists they rely on.

But Dr. Jeffrey Friedman, an obesity researcher at
Rockefeller University, argues that contrary to popular
opinion, national data do not show Americans growing
uniformly fatter. *** endquote

Jeffrey Friedman, Rockefeller University, New York City.
Discoverer of leptin. According to The New York Times,
"Rockefeller University applied for a patent on the
discovery, and a biotechnology company, Amgen of
Thousand Oaks, Calif., licensed the commercial rights
for $20 million. Dr. Friedman got part of the money."
(New York Times,
10/17/00)

He stands to gain my minimizing the effects of high-carb
diets and influencing our collective thinking regarding
obesity. I consider this article as another piece of
industry marketing.

Regarding your reference to other europeans and their rates
of obesity similar to France, they also, like the french,
eat copious amounts of fat. Germans are famous for sausages
which are high in fat and Italians are famous for olive oil
and seafood. And they eat similar amounts of refined carbs
as the french. The french paradox involves rates of disease
and obesity, as generally, they go hand in hand.

TC

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Quoted message said:

Not really, look at italy and germany, no carb shirkers
there and similar obesity rates. the french paradox is
about the rate of certain chronic diseas, not weight
perse. In fact the obesity increase in the US might not
exist as commonly percieved. I n today's NY Times is an
article that says it is just the most obese segment of the
population that is getting larger and that makes the
average seem larger then is really reflected in the low
and middle segments of the population:

nytimes.com08cont.htmlOpen ↗
wanted=print

Quoted message said:

And it all fits in with and explains the so-called French
Paradox where the french eat copious amounts of fats and
not very much refined carbs and they have an obesity rate
of around 7%, while high-carb diet americans have obesity
rates exceeding 30%.

TC

[email hidden] (tcomeau) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Regarding the story referenced: *** quote I BEG TO DIFFER
The Fat Epidemic: He Says It's an Illusion By GINA KOLATA

Ask anyone: Americans are getting fatter and fatter.
Advertising campaigns say they are. So do federal
officials and the scientists they rely on.

But Dr. Jeffrey Friedman, an obesity researcher at
Rockefeller University, argues that contrary to popular
opinion, national data do not show Americans growing
uniformly fatter. *** endquote

Jeffrey Friedman, Rockefeller University, New York City.
Discoverer of leptin. According to The New York Times,
"Rockefeller University applied for a patent on the
discovery, and a biotechnology company, Amgen of
Thousand Oaks, Calif., licensed the commercial rights
for $20 million. Dr. Friedman got part of the money."
(New York Times,
10/17/00)

He stands to gain my minimizing the effects of high-carb
diets and influencing our collective thinking regarding
obesity. I consider this article as another piece of
industry marketing.

Regarding your reference to other europeans and their
rates of obesity similar to France, they also, like the
french, eat copious amounts of fat. Germans are famous for
sausages which are high in fat and Italians are famous for
olive oil and seafood. And they eat similar amounts of
refined carbs as the french. The french paradox involves
rates of disease and obesity, as generally, they go hand
in hand.

TC

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Not really, look at italy and germany, no carb shirkers
there and similar obesity rates. the french paradox is
about the rate of certain chronic diseas, not weight
perse. In fact the obesity increase in the US might not
exist as commonly percieved. I n today's NY Times is an
article that says it is just the most obese segment of
the population that is getting larger and that makes the
average seem larger then is really reflected in the low
and middle segments of the population:

nytimes.com08cont.htmlOpen ↗
gewanted=print

Quoted message said:

And it all fits in with and explains the so-called
French Paradox where the french eat copious amounts of
fats and not very much refined carbs and they have an
obesity rate of around 7%, while high-carb diet
americans have obesity rates exceeding 30%.

TC

Yet another example of markd's inabillity to rationaly
discern real scientific information from BLATANTLY
flawed or corrupted info. All his talk about meat and
dairy benefiting from Price only serves to further
demonstrate that. Anyone with any rational thought can
see that the meat and dairy industry hates the truth of
Price's research as much as the food processors because
it exposes the unhelthfulness of conventional meat and
dairy products.

"Regarding your reference to other europeans and their rates
of obesity similar to France, they also, like the french,
eat copious amounts of fat. Germans are famous for sausages
which are high in fat and Italians are famous for olive oil
and seafood. And they eat similar amounts of refined carbs
as the french. The french paradox involves"

Please do provide info in support of this. If you will
recall, we americans eat a good deal of fat also in many
forms and we eat more of eveything to make us bigger,
germans - potatoes and bread, italians - pasta and
bread; please do provide the breakdown on their macro
source ratios.