USPS TdF Long Team

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The canadates are (other than Armstrong himself):

Pick 8 (2 stay home)

George Hincapie Floyd Landis Viatcheslav Ekimov Jose Luis
Rubiera Manuel Beltrán Victor Hugo Peña Pavel Padrnos Jose
Azevedo Benoit Joachim Benjamin Noval

George Floyd Eki Rubiera Beltran Pena Azevedo Pavel

in article [email hidden], brian roth at
[email hidden] wrote on 6/3/04 12:43 PM:

Quoted message said:

The canadates are (other than Armstrong himself):

Pick 8 (2 stay home)

George Hincapie Floyd Landis Viatcheslav Ekimov Jose Luis
Rubiera Manuel Beltrán Victor Hugo Peña Pavel Padrnos Jose
Azevedo Benoit Joachim Benjamin Noval

George Hincapie Floyd Landis Viatcheslav Ekimov Jose Luis
Rubiera Manuel Beltrán Victor Hugo Peña Jose Azevedo
Benoit Joachim

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Quoted message said:

The canadates are (other than Armstrong himself):

Pick 8 (2 stay home)

George Hincapie Floyd Landis Viatcheslav Ekimov Jose
Luis Rubiera Manuel Beltrán Victor Hugo Peña Pavel
Padrnos Jose Azevedo Benoit Joachim Benjamin Noval

Tough call to leave out the big Czech but I think he'll go
for Noval instead.

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"brian roth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

The canadates are (other than Armstrong himself):

Pick 8 (2 stay home)

George Hincapie Floyd Landis Viatcheslav Ekimov Jose
Luis Rubiera Manuel Beltrán Victor Hugo Peña Pavel
Padrnos Jose Azevedo Benoit Joachim Benjamin Noval

Tough call to leave out the big Czech but I think he'll go
for Noval instead.

I'm mystified that Max van Heeswijk isn't on the "long
list," given that the first few days go through Belgium and
are well suited to his abilities...

-Sonarrat.

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in article [email hidden], matabala
at [email hidden] wrote on 6/4/04 2:59 AM:

I'm mystified that Max van Heeswijk isn't on the "long
list," given that

the

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first few days go through Belgium and are well suited to
his abilities...

-Sonarrat.

The thinking may be 1) He's not going to be able to help
Armstrong where he really needs it (mountains), and 2) He'll
need to take a break and get ready for the second half of
the world cup.

If Postal was interested in getting stage wins, I think
you'd be right in including him.

-T

Sonarrat said:

I'm mystified that Max van Heeswijk isn't on the "long
list," given that the first few days go through Belgium
and are well suited to his abilities...

I'm mystified why you would think these are relevant
reasons.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Robert Chung said:

Sonarrat said:

I'm mystified that Max van Heeswijk isn't on the "long
list," given that the first few days go through Belgium
and are well suited to his abilities...

I'm mystified why you would think these are relevant
reasons.

Because next year, the team is likely to be sponsored by
Berry Floor, and that party may be interested in having a
strong Belgian showing before the serious work of defending
Lance's title begins...

-Sonarrat.

Sonarrat said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Robert Chung said:

Sonarrat said:

I'm mystified that Max van Heeswijk isn't on the "long
list," given that the first few days go through Belgium
and are well suited to his abilities...

I'm mystified why you would think these are relevant
reasons.

Because next year, the team is likely to be sponsored by
Berry Floor, and that party may be interested in having a
strong Belgian showing before the serious work of
defending Lance's title begins...

I'm mystified why you would think that van Heeswijk's
participation would satisfy the interest in having a strong
Belgian showing.

Robert Chung said:

Sonarrat said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Robert Chung said:

Sonarrat wrote:

>I'm mystified that Max van Heeswijk isn't on the "long
>list," given that the first few days go through Belgium
>and are well suited to his abilities...

I'm mystified why you would think these are relevant
reasons.

Because next year, the team is likely to be sponsored by
Berry Floor, and that party may be interested in having a
strong Belgian showing before the serious work of
defending Lance's title begins...

I'm mystified why you would think that van Heeswijk's
participation would satisfy the interest in having a
strong Belgian showing.

I see Van Heeswijk listed as (Ned) then see references to
him as a belgian. Which is he?

Richard Adams said:

Robert Chung said:

Sonarrat said:

In article <[email hidden]>, "Robert
Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Sonarrat wrote:
>
>> I'm mystified that Max van Heeswijk isn't on the "long
>> list," given that the first few days go through
>> Belgium and are well suited to his abilities...
>
>
> I'm mystified why you would think these are relevant
> reasons.

Because next year, the team is likely to be sponsored by
Berry Floor, and that party may be interested in having
a strong Belgian showing before the serious work of
defending Lance's title begins...

I'm mystified why you would think that van Heeswijk's
participation would satisfy the interest in having a
strong Belgian showing.

I see Van Heeswijk listed as (Ned) then see references to
him as a belgian. Which is he?

Whoops. Well OK, that explains a lot. 😉

Pavel it is...

-Sonarrat.

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>
>> Sonarrat wrote:
>>
>>> I'm mystified that Max van Heeswijk isn't on the
>>> "long list," given that the first few days go
>>> through Belgium and are well suited to his
>>> abilities...
>>
>>
>> I'm mystified why you would think these are relevant
>> reasons.
>
>
> Because next year, the team is likely to be sponsored
> by Berry Floor, and that party may be interested in
> having a strong Belgian showing before the serious
> work of defending Lance's title begins...

I'm mystified why you would think that van Heeswijk's
participation would satisfy the interest in having a
strong Belgian showing.

I see Van Heeswijk listed as (Ned) then see references
to him as a belgian. Which is he?

Whoops. Well OK, that explains a lot. 😉

Pavel it is...

-Sonarrat.

Hey,

Um, Max is Dutch (Netherlands), but does and has lived just
across the border inside Belgium. Most of his training
rides are back into Holland.

Pavel will be selected for the Tour. The fact that you hear
so little about him, and from him, makes it easy to
overlook how very important he is. He is the one that rides
tempo all day after the break of the day goes up 10
minutes. He doesn't always need to bring it back, just ride
as fast as the escapers for 150k, until the other 7
Posties, or a sprinters team decides to finish the chase.
Either way, the guy is a fxxking locomotive.

Remember how Lance is on the front less than 3% of the Tour
de France? TT and Mountain finishes combined. Pavel is on
the front of the peloton for 55-60% of the race (time and
distance).

I thought Jan would be a even challenge to Lance. I know
have revised my estimate, and don't discount Jan as second,
but give Lance a 75% chance of winning his 6th Tour this
year. Perhaps Jan will take his #2 victory in 2005, as
Lance takes 7th wearing Berry Floor/AMD colors.

Ronde Champ said:

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Quoted message said:

>>>Sonarrat wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'm mystified that Max van Heeswijk isn't on the
>>>>"long list," given that the first few days go through
>>>>Belgium and are well suited to his abilities...
>>>
>>>
>>>I'm mystified why you would think these are relevant
>>>reasons.
>>
>>
>>Because next year, the team is likely to be sponsored
>>by Berry Floor, and that party may be interested in
>>having a strong Belgian showing before the serious work
>>of defending Lance's title begins...
>
>
>
>I'm mystified why you would think that van Heeswijk's
>participation would satisfy the interest in having a
>strong Belgian showing.
>
>

I see Van Heeswijk listed as (Ned) then see references to
him as a belgian. Which is he?

Whoops. Well OK, that explains a lot. 😉

Pavel it is...

-Sonarrat.

Hey,

Um, Max is Dutch (Netherlands), but does and has lived
just across the border inside Belgium. Most of his
training rides are back into Holland.

Pavel will be selected for the Tour. The fact that you
hear so little about him, and from him, makes it easy to
overlook how very important he is. He is the one that
rides tempo all day after the break of the day goes up 10
minutes. He doesn't always need to bring it back, just
ride as fast as the escapers for 150k, until the other 7
Posties, or a sprinters team decides to finish the chase.
Either way, the guy is a fxxking locomotive.

Remember how Lance is on the front less than 3% of the
Tour de France? TT and Mountain finishes combined. Pavel
is on the front of the peloton for 55-60% of the race
(time and distance).

I thought Jan would be a even challenge to Lance. I know
have revised my estimate, and don't discount Jan as
second, but give Lance a 75% chance of winning his 6th
Tour this year. Perhaps Jan will take his #2 victory in
2005, as Lance takes 7th wearing Berry Floor/AMD colors.

I figure Peña to be on the TdF team, too, as his function is
pretty much the same as Pavel's. They can't all be climbers.

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[email hidden], brian
roth at [email hidden] wrote on 6/3/04 12:43 PM:

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The canadates are (other than Armstrong himself):

Pick 8 (2 stay home)

George Hincapie Floyd Landis Viatcheslav Ekimov Jose
Luis Rubiera Manuel Beltrán Victor Hugo Peña Pavel
Padrnos Jose Azevedo Benoit Joachim Benjamin Noval

George Hincapie Floyd Landis Viatcheslav Ekimov Jose Luis
Rubiera Manuel Beltrán Victor Hugo Peña Jose Azevedo
Benoit Joachim

You have it right -- those will be the exact 8 support
riders, barring any mishap between now and July 3. Noval is
2nd string on a team like that.

-Ken