help

(byalik) said:

Don't treat to my words with indifferens..

In fact, to be sure no-one treats Byalik's words with
"indifferens", Google shows that he is requesting help in at
least four languages on five different newsgroups in 184
posts since the middle of April. And I remember the same
story under a different name a couple of months back.

No different to a gypsy beggar in the streets of Europe.

If your heart-strings are tugged, send money to the chariy
of your choice, but not to "byalik".

Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and
carbs to email.
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On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:05:40 +1000, you , Alan

Quoted post said:

Google shows that he is requesting help in at least four
languages on five different newsgroups in 184 posts since
the middle of April. And I remember the same story under a
different name a couple of months back.

Seems to me that it might be an idea if he were to read
your sig :-))

ie: Everything in Moderation

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Alan said:

On 1 Jun 2004 23:54:52 -0700, [email hidden]

(byalik) said:

Don't treat to my words with indifferens..

In fact, to be sure no-one treats Byalik's words with
"indifferens", Google shows that he is requesting help in
at least four languages on five different newsgroups in 184
posts since the middle of April. And I remember the same
story under a different name a couple of months back.

No different to a gypsy beggar in the streets of Europe.

If your heart-strings are tugged, send money to the chariy
of your choice, but not to "byalik".

Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and carbs
to email.

Hi Allan

Here I go, I never can resist playing Devil's Advocate. 😉

If the guy was genuine and put out one or two requests for
help, one or two things might happen. One, he will get some
degree of help and realise that requesting help on the
internet works and so continue to send out requests. Two, he
gets no response from his initial requests and decides to
keep trying, trying more newsgroups in the hope that
somewhere, sometime he might be lucky.

Either way he could have a genuine reason for widening his
scope, the fact that he has made a 184 posts is no indicator
as to whether he is genuine or not. The previous similar
story with a different name may well be what inspired him,
not a proof of scamming. You could have a very genuine case
of distress here, there is no reason to believe that because
he hasn't stopped that he is a fake.

I suspect that there is a very high probability that he is
sponging on the system, but I would never be sure enough to
disregard him or call him a fake, not without real evidence.

I have jury service next month, Supreme Court, and I will
tell you now, if the evidence isn't direct and indisputable,
then I am going for acquittal. No other juror will sway me,
but I may well sway them, I regard circumstantial as another
word for possibly.

I wouldn't sleep too well if I thought that I had wronged
someone innocent in a way that permanently damaged them.

Actually, I was called before my type 2 diagnosis, so I
could probably get out of now. At the very least I would be
disrupting the court with a lot of visits to the loo.

Regards

David

J David Anderson said:

Alan said:

On 1 Jun 2004 23:54:52 -0700, [email hidden]

(byalik) said:

Don't treat to my words with indifferens..

In fact, to be sure no-one treats Byalik's words with
"indifferens", Google shows that he is requesting help in
at least four languages on five different newsgroups in
184 posts since the middle of April. And I remember the
same story under a different name a couple of months back.

No different to a gypsy beggar in the streets of Europe.

If your heart-strings are tugged, send money to the chariy
of your choice, but not to "byalik".

Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and carbs
to email.

Hi Allan

Here I go, I never can resist playing Devil's Advocate. 😉

If the guy was genuine and put out one or two requests for
help, one or two things might happen. One, he will get some
degree of help and realise that requesting help on the
internet works and so continue to send out requests. Two,
he gets no response from his initial requests and decides
to keep trying, trying more newsgroups in the hope that
somewhere, sometime he might be lucky.

Either way he could have a genuine reason for widening his
scope, the fact that he has made a 184 posts is no
indicator as to whether he is genuine or not. The previous
similar story with a different name may well be what
inspired him, not a proof of scamming. You could have a
very genuine case of distress here, there is no reason to
believe that because he hasn't stopped that he is a fake.

I suspect that there is a very high probability that he is
sponging on the system, but I would never be sure enough to
disregard him or call him a fake, not without real
evidence.

I have jury service next month, Supreme Court, and I will
tell you now, if the evidence isn't direct and
indisputable, then I am going for acquittal. No other juror
will sway me, but I may well sway them, I regard
circumstantial as another word for possibly.

I wouldn't sleep too well if I thought that I had wronged
someone innocent in a way that permanently damaged them.

Actually, I was called before my type 2 diagnosis, so I
could probably get out of now. At the very least I would be
disrupting the court with a lot of visits to the loo.

Regards

David

David, I've watched your "devil's advocacy" of some of the
spam posters since you arrived.

I was pretty naive when I arrived on the ngs a couple of
years back. Over time, google "advanced groups search"
became invaluable.

For example, it shows me that you, although a newby to T2,
are not a newby to ngs. You've been posting to them long
before I discovered usenet. Probably longer with a previous
addy. But I don't notice any medical ones in your google
"resume"; over here, on a.s.d., m.h.d,
a.s.d.uk and a.f.d. and a couple of others I used for cancer
and arthritis, we are plagued by spammers, scammers,
kooks and trolls. You are yet to meet some of our
favourites, like doe, Mu_n etc. You've already met a
couple of the aspartame/stevia weirdos.

One reason you don't get as many on this ng is the virulent
response they get here. I don't agree with the knee-jerk
reactions of some here, which is why I check out guys like
"byalik" as best I can; but I don't like to see the leeches,
slime-bags and spivs who frequent these groups preying on
people, particularly on newbies who are often vulnerable or
credulous at a critical time in their lives.

I haven't checked - I hope you've munged your addy; if not
expect all

You mention jury service, and erring on the side of the
accused. I understand the philosophy; but while you're not
sleeping well when deliberating on their fate, consider how
well the victims of the accused are sleeping, if the accused
is guilty but exonerated. Like the mugger who assaulted my
78 yo (at the time) mother, who got a good-behaviour bond
because of his deprived back-ground. So, instead of erring
on their side, possibly try not to err at all, but make a
valid decision on the evidence. If that means acquittal, OK;
but if it doesn't, convict.

Byalik is a con, a scammer playing on the compassion of the
credulous.

You like to play devil's advocate; I don't seek
controversy, but I will let you know when I disagree with
your point of view.

But I'd still like a coffee if we're still talking on
Monday :-)

Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and
carbs to email.
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

J David Anderson said:

Alan said:

On 1 Jun 2004 23:54:52 -0700, [email hidden]
(byalik) wrote:

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Quoted message said:

Regards

David

Actually this guy has been begging over the internet for
years. The kid is probably ready for college and he
can't afford it, so he starts begging again with the
same old story.

Oh, did anyone notice he's got a new ISP?

Vicki

Alan said:

Quoted message said:

Here I go, I never can resist playing Devil's Advocate. 😉

If the guy was genuine and put out one or two requests for
help, one or two things might happen. One, he will get
some degree of help and realise that requesting help on
the internet works and so continue to send out requests.
Two, he gets no response from his initial requests and
decides to keep trying, trying more newsgroups in the hope
that somewhere, sometime he might be lucky.

Either way he could have a genuine reason for widening his
scope, the fact that he has made a 184 posts is no
indicator as to whether he is genuine or not. The previous
similar story with a different name may well be what
inspired him, not a proof of scamming. You could have a
very genuine case of distress here, there is no reason to
believe that because he hasn't stopped that he is a fake.

I suspect that there is a very high probability that he is
sponging on the system, but I would never be sure enough
to disregard him or call him a fake, not without real
evidence.

I have jury service next month, Supreme Court, and I will
tell you now, if the evidence isn't direct and
indisputable, then I am going for acquittal. No other
juror will sway me, but I may well sway them, I regard
circumstantial as another word for possibly.

I wouldn't sleep too well if I thought that I had wronged
someone innocent in a way that permanently damaged them.

Actually, I was called before my type 2 diagnosis, so I
could probably get out of now. At the very least I would
be disrupting the court with a lot of visits to the loo.

Regards

David

David, I've watched your "devil's advocacy" of some of the
spam posters since you arrived.

I was pretty naive when I arrived on the ngs a couple of
years back. Over time, google "advanced groups search"
became invaluable.

For example, it shows me that you, although a newby to T2,
are not a newby to ngs. You've been posting to them long
before I discovered usenet. Probably longer with a previous
addy. But I don't notice any medical ones in your google
"resume";

No, there were quite a few on various health, fitness,
nutrition, psychology, writing, programming, ocean kayaking,
running etc., all under various incarnations, (I started in
1986, way before the WWW) but nothing much of a medical
nature. In those days I was very healthy.

Sob ...

Quoted message said:

over here, on a.s.d., m.h.d,
a.s.d.uk and a.f.d. and a couple of others I used for
cancer and arthritis, we are plagued by spammers,
scammers, kooks and trolls. You are yet to meet some
of our favourites, like doe, Mu_n etc. You've already
met a couple of the aspartame/stevia weirdos.

Something to look forward to, eh Alan?

Quoted message said:

One reason you don't get as many on this ng is the virulent
response they get here. I don't agree with the knee-jerk
reactions of some here, which is why I check out guys like
"byalik" as best I can; but I don't like to see the
leeches, slime-bags and spivs who frequent these groups
preying on people, particularly on newbies who are often
vulnerable or credulous at a critical time in their lives.

I haven't checked - I hope you've munged your addy;

No, I use a hotmail address with full filtering, and
Mailwasher running
24/7 to eradicate the spam. I am curious to discover just
how bad the spam can get. Currently I am running at about
six hundred a day according to the logs.

Quoted message said:

if not expect all

Oh? That's interesting; do you think that they will send me
a Blonde or a Redhead? ( I already have a brunette.)

Quoted message said:

You mention jury service, and erring on the side of the
accused. I understand the philosophy; but while you're not
sleeping well when deliberating on their fate, consider how
well the victims of the accused are sleeping,

I would still rather err on the side of caution. Defending
counsel loves
me.

Quoted message said:

if the accused is guilty but exonerated. Like the mugger
who assaulted my 78 yo (at the time) mother, who got a good-
behaviour bond because of his deprived back-ground.

That I will not agree with, not even remotely. Truth in
sentencing and no leniency for repeat offenders should be
the standard.

I am sorry to hear about your Mother, and can empathise with
her. I have been robbed at gunpoint, knife point, stabbed,
and beaten by a group of drunks. Silver Service cabs, you've
been there.

Quoted message said:

So, instead of erring on their side, possibly try not to
err at all, but make a valid decision on the evidence.

When they provide evidence I will do just that, but
circumstantial evidence and eloquency on the part of the
prosecutor doesn't do the trick. It has to be real evidence.
I grew up around a Courthouse, my mother was a magistrate.

Quoted message said:

If that means acquittal, OK; but if it doesn't, convict.

Byalik is a con, a scammer playing on the compassion of the
credulous.

You like to play devil's advocate; I don't seek
controversy, but I will let you know when I disagree with
your point of view.

I would expect no less.

Quoted message said:

But I'd still like a coffee if we're still talking on
Monday :-)

We are and you shall.

Cheers

David

Quoted message said:

Actually this guy has been begging over the internet for
years. The kid is probably ready for college and he
can't afford it, so he starts begging again with the
same old story.

Oh, did anyone notice he's got a new ISP?

I think he might be remotely related to the guy who is
Minister of Economic Development in Nigeria who is looking
for someone to front him money to recover an oil escrow
account fund, or the South African diamond merchant looking
for someone to provide letter of funding for diamond
certificates, or the Biafran Minister of the Interior
seeking access to accounts in off-shore banks. You pick it -
the scam of the week club.

Just wish they would quit clogging up my email box.

Cheers.