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  1. I'm going to have to replace the RS SID SL at some point and
    I have a few probably basic questions.

    My first choice to replace it would be the Marzocchi EXR pro
    with 105 mm of travel. My question is this, I read somewhere
    that an 80mm fork has to be replaced with an 80mm.... What
    do I measure on the current fork to know the mm's it is?
    Does it really matter? I"m pretty sure that when I had Mr
    Adventures Judy replaced with and EXR last year, on his M2
    Comp, that he went from 80 to 100 and he's loving it.

    Does the weight of the fork really matter if I"m looking
    at that kind of fork? Based on all the unbiased AMB
    reviews I've read over the years, I haven't really
    considered looking at anything else but a Bomber.. should
    I? I"m certainly underwhelmed by constant seepage out of
    the SID,even after a full rebuild by the RS techs at NORBA
    last year.

    thanks

    penny

  2. "pas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I'm going to have to replace the RS SID SL at some point
    and I have a few probably basic questions.

    My first choice to replace it would be the Marzocchi EXR
    pro with 105 mm


    of

    Quoted message said:

    travel. My question is this, I read somewhere that an 80mm
    fork has to be replaced with an 80mm.... What do I measure
    on the current fork to know


    the

    Quoted message said:

    mm's it is? Does it really matter? I"m pretty sure that
    when I had Mr Adventures Judy replaced with and EXR last
    year, on his M2 Comp, that he went from 80 to 100 and he's
    loving it.

    Does the weight of the fork really matter if I"m looking
    at that kind of fork? Based on all the unbiased AMB
    reviews I've read over the years, I haven't really
    considered looking at anything else but a Bomber.. should


    I?

    Quoted message said:

    I"m certainly underwhelmed by constant seepage out of the
    SID,even after a full rebuild by the RS techs at NORBA
    last year.


    Fox F80RLT. It's light, and stiff (laterally).

    Another possible choice, would be the Fox Float100RLC. It's
    a little heavier, but you can give a 100mm fork a try. If
    you decide you don't like 100mm, it can be set to 80mm. It
    also cost less than the F80RLT.

    Then there's the Fox Talas series. They can be adjusted from
    85mm to 125mm.

    foxracingshox.comhomepage.asp

    The 'Zokes are damn nice forks, though. My only gripe
    about them, is lack of selection for 80mm forks, and they
    are heavy.

  3. mojo deluxe said:
    Quoted message said:


    Fox F80RLT. It's light, and stiff (laterally).

    Another possible choice, would be the Fox Float100RLC.
    It's a little heavier, but you can give a 100mm fork a
    try. If you decide you don't like 100mm, it can be set to
    80mm. It also cost less than the F80RLT.

    Then there's the Fox Talas series. They can be adjusted
    from 85mm to 125mm.

    $600??!!! ouch, that's waaaay out of my price
    range!!!!Yikes!!!

    ps

  4. "pas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    mojo deluxe said:
    Quoted message said:


    Fox F80RLT. It's light, and stiff (laterally).

    Another possible choice, would be the Fox Float100RLC.
    It's a little heavier, but you can give a 100mm fork a
    try. If you decide you don't like 100mm, it can be set
    to 80mm. It also cost less than the F80RLT.

    Then there's the Fox Talas series. They can be adjusted
    from 85mm to 125mm.

    $600??!!! ouch, that's waaaay out of my price
    range!!!!Yikes!!!


    That's why I don't have one yet, but there is hope.....

    qbike.comcgi
    bin/bike.cgi?ord=p&st=fox+forx&auct=on&lp=&hp=

    There's a lot of new bike take-offs selling on ebay with
    short steerers going for less. Considering that your frame
    is small, you should not have much of a problem finding one
    with a steerer long enough. Just make sure you know how long
    your steerer is.

  5. "pas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm going to have to replace the RS SID SL at some point
    and I have a few probably basic questions.

    My first choice to replace it would be the Marzocchi EXR
    pro with 105 mm


    of

    Quoted message said:

    travel. My question is this, I read somewhere that an 80mm
    fork has to be replaced with an 80mm.... What do I measure
    on the current fork to know


    the

    Quoted message said:

    mm's it is?

    Put a zip tie around the stanchion, push it down to the
    bottom against the seals and go ride/bounce about/jump
    off the biggest obstacle you can find. Measuring the
    amount the zip tie has moved should give a rough estimate
    of fork travel.

    Quoted message said:

    Does it really matter? I"m pretty sure that when I had Mr
    Adventures Judy replaced with and EXR last year, on his
    M2 Comp, that he went from 80 to 100 and he's loving it.

    A difference of 20mm in travel roughly equates to slackening
    the head angle by a degree. Forks with the same travel from
    different manufacturers will vary slightly but this is the
    general rule of thumb.

    Quoted message said:

    Does the weight of the fork really matter if I"m looking
    at that kind of fork? Based on all the unbiased AMB
    reviews I've read over the years, I haven't really
    considered looking at anything else but a Bomber.. should


    I?

    considering value for money, probably not. I'm keen to try
    one of the magura range of forks though, but they are a bit
    of an unknown quantity.

    Quoted message said:

    thanks penny

    Steve.

  6. pas said:

    I'm going to have to replace the RS SID SL at some point
    and I have a few probably basic questions.

    My first choice to replace it would be the Marzocchi EXR
    pro with 105 mm of travel. My question is this, I read
    somewhere that an 80mm fork has to be replaced with an
    80mm.... What do I measure on the current fork to know the
    mm's it is?

    Google would probably be your easiest option, or you could
    just ask here...

    It's 63-80mm 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    Does it really matter? I"m pretty sure that when I had Mr
    Adventures Judy replaced with and EXR last year, on his M2
    Comp, that he went from 80 to 100 and he's loving it.

    It really depends on the geometry of the bike. A 100mm fork
    will jack up the front end, which will tend to give you a
    more upright (and possibly more comfortable) ride. It will
    make steering a little slower though.

    Quoted message said:

    Does the weight of the fork really matter if I"m looking
    at that kind of fork?

    You'll be going from pretty much the lightest fork on the
    market to one of the heavier XC forks. You'll probably
    notice the difference, but you should get used to it. And
    the extra stiffness should compensate a little.

    From a weight point of view, you may want to look at one of
    the 'Zocchi air-sprung forks rather than a coil model. But
    whilst you also lose weight, you also lose in suppleness.

    Quoted message said:

    Based on all the unbiased AMB reviews I've read over the
    years, I haven't really considered looking at anything
    else but a Bomber.. should I?

    They're cheap, durable and they work well. There are other
    forks on the market, but seeing as you've discounted Fox, I
    don't think there's a lot else suitable.

    --
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  7. bomba said:
    pas said:

    I'm going to have to replace the RS SID SL at some point
    and I have a few probably basic questions.

    My first choice to replace it would be the Marzocchi EXR
    pro with 105 mm of travel. My question is this, I read
    somewhere that an 80mm fork has to be replaced with an
    80mm.... What do I measure on the current fork to know
    the mm's it is?

    Google would probably be your easiest option, or you could
    just ask here...

    It's 63-80mm 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    Does it really matter? I"m pretty sure that when I had Mr
    Adventures Judy replaced with and EXR last year, on his
    M2 Comp, that he went from 80 to 100 and he's loving it.

    It really depends on the geometry of the bike. A 100mm
    fork will jack up the front end, which will tend to give
    you a more upright (and possibly more comfortable) ride.
    It will make steering a little slower though.

    Quoted message said:

    Does the weight of the fork really matter if I"m looking
    at that kind of fork?

    You'll be going from pretty much the lightest fork on the
    market to one of the heavier XC forks. You'll probably
    notice the difference, but you should get used to it. And
    the extra stiffness should compensate a little.

    From a weight point of view, you may want to look at one
    of the 'Zocchi air-sprung forks rather than a coil model.
    But whilst you also lose weight, you also lose in
    suppleness.

    Quoted message said:

    Based on all the unbiased AMB reviews I've read over the
    years, I haven't really considered looking at anything
    else but a Bomber.. should I?

    They're cheap, durable and they work well. There are other
    forks on the market, but seeing as you've discounted Fox,
    I don't think there's a lot else suitable.

    no not FOX, Rock Shock.

  8. bomba said:
    Quoted message said:

    Based on all the unbiased AMB reviews I've read over the
    years, I haven't really considered looking at anything
    else but a Bomber.. should I?

    They're cheap, durable and they work well. There are other
    forks on the market, but seeing as you've discounted Fox,
    I don't think there's a lot else suitable.

    OK, so let me ask this... Based on everyting I've ever read
    here, the majority opinion seems to the that RS is not a
    great product... is there a good reason to reconsider this
    and maybe look at a RS?

    clueless,

    Penny

  9. pas said:

    bomba wrote (of Marzocchi forks):

    Quoted message said:


    They're cheap, durable and they work well. There are
    other forks on the market, but seeing as you've
    discounted Fox, I don't think there's a lot else
    suitable.

    no not FOX, Rock Shock.

    He's referring to the Talas forks, I believe, which you
    (understandably) ruled out due to $$$.

    Bill "Marathon SL on closeout" S.

  10. S o r n i said:
    pas said:

    bomba wrote (of Marzocchi forks):

    Quoted message said:


    They're cheap, durable and they work well. There are
    other forks on the market, but seeing as you've
    discounted Fox, I don't think there's a lot else
    suitable.

    no not FOX, Rock Shock.

    He's referring to the Talas forks, I believe, which you
    (understandably) ruled out due to $$$.

    Bill "Marathon SL on closeout" S.

    it's like this, hubby just started an MBA program at a local
    private university, which rules out any pricey bike goodies
    for a while. ;-)

    Penny

  11. pas said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > They're cheap, durable and they work well. There are
    > other forks on the market, but seeing as you've
    > discounted Fox, I don't think there's a lot else
    > suitable.

    no not FOX, Rock Shock.

    He's referring to the Talas forks, I believe, which you
    (understandably) ruled out due to $$$.

    it's like this, hubby just started an MBA program at a
    local private university, which rules out any pricey bike
    goodies for a while. ;-)

    Which is why you've discounted Fox.

    --
    a.m-b FAQ: j-harris.netambfaq.htm

    b.bmx FAQ: t-online.debmx faq.htm

  12. "pas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm going to have to replace the RS SID SL at some point
    and I have a few probably basic questions.

    My first choice to replace it would be the Marzocchi EXR
    pro with 105 mm of travel. My question is this, I read
    somewhere that an 80mm fork has to be replaced with an
    80mm.... What do I measure on the current fork to know the
    mm's it is? Does it really matter?

    As others have answered, it's a 63-80mm fork, with travel
    adjustment. I got that from the description in mtbr.com.

    Now, do you run it in 63 or 80mm mode? The cable-tie-around
    the stantion travel measurement will work for you.

    Keeping the travel nearly the same keeps the geometry of the
    bike the same (steering angle and all that.) If you don't
    mind slower steering, then get a longer-travel fork. I have
    found that most folks get used to it, but some are really
    picky. When I was running my 63mm Bomber on my Fango, it was
    way too twitchy. It was designed to take an 80mm fork, and
    it shows. Shorter stem length also makes a difference, and
    I'm guessing you run a shorter stem, so you could probably
    take an 85mm travel fork.

    Quoted message said:

    I"m pretty sure that when I had Mr Adventures Judy
    replaced with and EXR last year, on his M2 Comp, that he
    went from 80 to 100 and he's loving it.

    That's a little less than 4/5 of an inch increase in
    travel (1 inch =
    25.4mm). Does he notice a handling difference? He's a pretty
    experienced rider, and if he doesn't notice, or it's
    small enough not to care, you might be able to go 100.
    But you and your bike are smaller to start with, so it
    might have a more exaggerated effect on your geometry.

    Quoted message said:

    Does the weight of the fork really matter if I"m looking
    at that kind of fork?

    The SID is light. Really light. And flexy. Really flexy. And
    not too reliable, from what I've heard.

    With a Bomber, you gain weight, but lose flex and
    reliability issues. A coil-n-oil fork (the best kind) will
    be heavier than an air fork. It will also be more plush.
    It's easier to set an air fork's spring rate (more air =
    higher spring rate) With a coil fork, you have to change
    coils. You would probably like to use the light springs,
    because you don't weigh much.

    OK, here's what I did: I bought a used Z3 Air (2002, IIRC)
    on eBay. Chris Phillipo sold me the guts of his Z3 coil. I
    put in springs, screwed the thing together after using new
    fork oil (cheap 7.5 weight bought at the local motorcycle
    shop), set the preload and the compression damping, and rode
    it. All told, this fork set me back under $200, with new
    seals, wipers, oil and all the parts. It has 100mm of
    travel, and doesn't weigh all that much more than my 80mm Z2
    Flylight Air. As in, not noticeable when riding. The tools
    required are not that expensive (regular metric sockets and
    a oil seal tool) and you, with your capabilities of doing
    stuff just following drawings and a short written
    description, could do the work forever, and even on Mr.
    Penny's fork.

    I dig doing my own work, however. And getting a bargain on a
    fork and parts is always high on my list.

    Quoted message said:

    Based on all the unbiased AMB reviews I've read over the
    years, I haven't really considered looking at anything
    else but a Bomber.. should I? I"m certainly underwhelmed
    by constant seepage out of the SID,even after a full
    rebuild by the RS techs at NORBA last year.

    Reliability issues. Ugh.

    There are plenty of places selling coil-n-oil Marzocchi
    forks, and even last year's models on closeout. You have a
    good LBS who will install the star nut, cut the steerer to
    length and set the fork crown headset race.

    I'll bet that if you search on 2003 Marzocchi 80mm/85mm
    coil, you'll find some bargains. Like at Phat Tire, the MX
    Comp is $250. Sure, it's an air fork, but it *is* a
    Marzocchi. 🙂 Light, stiff and cheap. Just like Sorni. LOL.

    My $0.02. And remember, this advice is worth every penny you
    paid, pardon the pun. 🙂
    --
    Jonesy

  13. "pas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    bomba said:
    Quoted message said:

    Based on all the unbiased AMB reviews I've read over
    the years, I haven't really considered looking at
    anything else but a Bomber.. should I?

    They're cheap, durable and they work well. There are
    other forks on the market, but seeing as you've
    discounted Fox, I don't think there's a lot else
    suitable.

    OK, so let me ask this... Based on everyting I've ever
    read here, the majority opinion seems to the that RS is
    not a great product... is there a good reason to
    reconsider this and maybe look at a RS?

    I don't think you are clueless, but Mr. Harris has listed
    two things wheich I have not found to be true, and at least
    one that you have *experienced* not to be true: That RS
    shocks are durable and "work well." The last time I rode a
    RS fork, it was flexy and operated poorly. I know that a new
    fork needs some time to break in, but the travel control was
    [censored], and I don't know any forks that get less flexy over
    the course of time. You yourself are a victim of an oil leak
    less than a year after a pro factory-guy rebuild. No way in
    hell that should happen to a quality fork.

    They are cheap, that'll I'll agree with. But in this area, I
    really do think you get what you pay for. Easy for me to say
    - it's not my money.
    --
    Jonesy "not entirely true - you've taken some of my money
    for jobs..."

  14. "S o r n i" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    pas said:

    bomba wrote (of Marzocchi forks):

    Quoted message said:


    They're cheap, durable and they work well. There are
    other forks on the market, but seeing as you've
    discounted Fox, I don't think there's a lot else
    suitable.

    no not FOX, Rock Shock.

    He's referring to the Talas forks, I believe, which you
    (understandably) ruled out due to $$$.

    Bill "Marathon SL on closeout" S.


    How do you like that fork? How much do you weigh? Also, how
    is the lateral stiffness? I have not ruled one of those out,
    which is why I ask.

  15. "bomba" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    pas said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> They're cheap, durable and they work well. There are
    >> other forks on the market, but seeing as you've
    >> discounted Fox, I don't think there's a lot else
    >> suitable.
    >
    >
    > no not FOX, Rock Shock.

    He's referring to the Talas forks, I believe, which you
    (understandably) ruled out due to $$$.

    it's like this, hubby just started an MBA program at a
    local private university, which rules out any pricey
    bike goodies for a while. ;-)

    Which is why you've discounted Fox.


    Understandably, which is why I may still get the
    Marathon SL.

  16. mojo deluxe said:

    "bomba" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    pas said:

    >>> They're cheap, durable and they work well. There are
    >>> other forks on the market, but seeing as you've
    >>> discounted Fox, I don't think there's a lot else
    >>> suitable.
    >>
    >>
    >> no not FOX, Rock Shock.
    >
    > He's referring to the Talas forks, I believe, which you
    > (understandably) ruled out due to $$$.
    >

    it's like this, hubby just started an MBA program at a
    local private university, which rules out any pricey
    bike goodies for a while. ;-)

    Which is why you've discounted Fox.


    Understandably, which is why I may still get the
    Marathon SL.

    {sound of moving finger between lips rapidly,
    designating insanity}

    Bill "needs a program to keep track of all the playas, I
    tells ya" S.

  17. "S o r n i" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    mojo deluxe said:

    "bomba" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 08:08:29 -0700, pas wrote:

    >>>> They're cheap, durable and they work well. There
    >>>> are other forks on the market, but seeing as you've
    >>>> discounted Fox, I don't think there's a lot else
    >>>> suitable.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> no not FOX, Rock Shock.
    >>
    >> He's referring to the Talas forks, I believe, which
    >> you (understandably) ruled out due to $$$.
    >>
    >
    > it's like this, hubby just started an MBA program at a
    > local private university, which rules out any pricey
    > bike goodies for a while. ;-)

    Which is why you've discounted Fox.


    Understandably, which is why I may still get the
    Marathon SL.

    {sound of moving finger between lips rapidly, designating
    insanity}

    Bill "needs a program to keep track of all the playas, I
    tells ya" S.


    In the meantime, I have some questions below.

  18. Jonesy said:

    Light, stiff and cheap. Just like Sorni. LOL.

    Sorni's light?

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  19. Jonesy said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Based on all the unbiased AMB reviews I've read over
    > the years, I haven't really considered looking at
    > anything else but a Bomber.. should I?

    They're cheap, durable and they work well. There are
    other forks on the market, but seeing as you've
    discounted Fox, I don't think there's a lot else
    suitable.

    OK, so let me ask this... Based on everyting I've ever
    read here, the majority opinion seems to the that RS is
    not a great product... is there a good reason to
    reconsider this and maybe look at a RS?

    I don't think you are clueless, but Mr. Harris has listed
    two things wheich I have not found to be true, and at
    least one that you have *experienced* not to be true: That
    RS shocks are durable and "work well."

    Read the question and response again Mr Jones. We were
    talking about Marzocchi Bombers, not Rock Shox.

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  20. mojo deluxe said:

    "S o r n i" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Bill "Marathon SL on closeout" S.


    How do you like that fork? How much do you weigh? Also,
    how is the lateral stiffness? I have not ruled one of
    those out, which is why I ask.

    Sorry, didn't see this before (more server woes -- seems to
    be a Thursday Thing?!?).

    Overall, I like the fork. Wheel isn't the stiffest, so
    sometimes hard to judge fork's, but I think it's definitely
    more rigid than my previous X-fly
    100.

    Mine's a 2002 model, I think, so the newer closeout models
    are probably better. (I know they're beefier, made more for
    disc brakes than earlier forks were.)

    Bill "get more opinions" S.

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