Info Request: Webbed Belt

"Bebopper" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Howdy all, have just gotten back into this biking thing
and it is kinda fun. OK my problem: I need to carry stuff
like my wallet and keys and small junk like that, but
don't want to have to get a bag. Looked at some of the
small ones that fit behind the saddle, but my rear light
is in the way.

Cannondale makes seat bags with loops for rear lights.

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So what I'm thinking of is a wide web belt with removable
attachments like a wallet pouch that I can slip on and off.
Then I can also attach a night blinky or a cell phone using
a normal belt clip.

I haven't tried that. I use a light, cheap (under $20 US)
back pack, sometimes called a book bag. The small
compartment holds keys, checkbook, ID, etc. This is the part
that goes with me. I'll typically stuff a windshell and
patch kit into it.

The part that stays on the bike is the panniers, that gives
me an expanded carrying capacity and the ability to haul
groceries.

The phone is in a zip lock bag within the book bag, it's
impervious to rain.

Lights go with me in the book bag and can quickly be mounted
when necessary on the more or less permanent attachment
points on the bike.

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"Bebopper" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Howdy all, have just gotten back into this biking thing

and it is kinda

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fun. OK my problem: I need to carry stuff like my wallet

and keys and

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small junk like that, but don't want to have to get a bag.

Looked at some

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of the small ones that fit behind the saddle, but my rear

light is in the

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way. Also thought about getting some of them fancy bike

jerseys with back

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pockets but THEY COST ALOT!! Anyway am comfy with my

cheapo T-shirts so

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don't wanna change.

So I thought about getting a fannypack, but all of them

are way too big and

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get in the way when you're in an aero tuck. So what I'm

thinking of is a

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wide web belt with removable attachments like a wallet

pouch that I can

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slip on and off. Then I can also attach a night blinky or

a cell phone

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using a normal belt clip. Do any of you use anything like

this, and can

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give me a heads-up on where to look? Thanks muchly in

advance.

Lots of people use the backpack-style hydration packs that
offer a bit of additional storage. If you get a low-volume
bladder (~50oz.)--then when the straps are cinched down--the
pack shouldn't interfere much with an aero tuck.

A case could probably be made (but not by me!) that this
actually does less to disturb your aerodynamics than a
couple of bottles and cages.....

Bebopper said:

... So what I'm thinking of is a wide web belt with
removable attachments like a wallet pouch that I can slip
on and off. Then I can also attach a night blinky or a
cell phone using a normal belt clip. Do any of you use
anything like this, and can give me a heads-up on where to
look? Thanks muchly in advance.

I don't use anything like that. Back when I started biking,
I tried various ways of carrying stuff, and decided that
bags on the bike were absolutely the best. At least, for me.

But I wanted to comment about your blinky idea. Attaching a
blinky to your clothing, or your web belt, is probably a bad
idea. LED blinkies are great inventions, but their light is
very, very directional. They must be accurately aimed to do
any practical good.

I've ridden behind people with blinkies clipped on clothes,
backpacks, hydration packs, etc. who were unaware that their
floppy mounting surface had their blinkies pointing at
earthworms or airplanes. Mount it on your bike, with its
beam horizontal.

Or, as another poster said, you can clip it on a seat bag
with a loop designed for that purpose.

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So I thought about getting a fannypack, but all of them are
way too big and get in the way when you're in an aero tuck.

I use a fannypack sometimes, usually if I'm doing an all day
(6+ hrs) ride. I looked and couldn't find any that really
suited my needs so I made my own. I used "ballistic" nylon
(a very stout weave), plastic cut from a gallon milk jug for
reinforcement, some thin foam padding where the bag rides
against my back, a light ripstop nylon for lining, some
webbing, and a nylok buckle from REI. The bag itself is a
fairly flat U-shape with 2.0" wide tubular webbing. The
sewing only took about 1.5 hrs including the heavy duty
zipper. You could cut that time in half easily if you happen
to know how to use a sewing machine. That may seem like a
lot of work for something you can buy very cheaply (if you
find one that you like) but it suits my rather special needs
perfectly.

Regards, Bob Hunt

Eric S. Sande said:

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So what I'm thinking of is a wide web belt with removable
attachments like a wallet pouch that I can slip on and
off. Then I can also attach a night blinky or a cell phone
using a normal belt clip.

I haven't tried that. I use a light, cheap (under $20 US)
back pack, sometimes called a book bag. The small
compartment holds keys, checkbook, ID, etc. This is the
part that goes with me. I'll typically stuff a windshell
and patch kit into it.

The part that stays on the bike is the panniers, that gives
me an expanded carrying capacity and the ability to haul
groceries.

The phone is in a zip lock bag within the book bag, it's
impervious to rain.

Lights go with me in the book bag and can quickly be
mounted when necessary on the more or less permanent
attachment points on the bike.

Thanks to everyone for the replies. As with Bob Hunt, I was
about to go the DYI route, getting some thick wide webbing
and putting a buckle on it. But my sewing skill isn't
sufficiently advanced to make loops for a belt pouch (OK
actually I'm just lazy), so I was looking at some of them
PDA cases with belt clips, which are big enough for a
wallet. To make a long story short, I was in a recycling
mood this morn and went to a thrift store. It has some
smallish [censored] packs for a buck apiece, so I bought one and
it's working out. It's not totally ideal, but may be I just
need to get used to it. Yes, it's my laziness talking.

Thanks for the note about the directional nature of the LED
blinky. Right now I have it mounted on the seat post, and
I'll leave it there.

Question: For night riding, do I need a front light (for
legal purposes), or is it enough to have a rear light? If I
need to I'll get a LED one for long battery life. That and
it uses AA so it's lighter. I think the prob with LED front
light is that they don't put out much of a beam, but my
situation is more of a "to be seen" rather than "to see," so
if I put it on flash mode it should be OK.

I'm getting used to the clipless stuff I've just got. It's a
SPD road type (one side only), so I'm still having some
probs getting my 2nd foot to clip
in. Yeah shoulda get a 2-sided setup oh well. Having to
look down more than once to flip it and get it clipped
isn't too great. With my old toe clips I can just flip
it by feel. Just need more practice I guess.

Thanks again for all ya input and just want to say that ya
are a great bunch of folks. Have enjoyed reading through
the messages.

Beboper said:

Thanks to everyone for the replies. As with Bob Hunt, I was
about to go the DYI route, getting some thick wide webbing
and putting a buckle on it. But my sewing skill isn't
sufficiently advanced to make loops for a belt pouch (OK
actually I'm just lazy), so I was looking at some of them
PDA cases with belt clips, which are big enough for a
wallet. To make a long story short, I was in a recycling
mood this morn and went to a thrift store. It has some
smallish [censored] packs for a buck apiece, so I bought one and
it's working out. It's not totally ideal, but may be I just
need to get used to it. Yes, it's my laziness talking.

When I travel light, I use a [censored] pack. Don't wear it tho.
I just buckle it around my rack. Tuck the loose ends up to
keep them out of the spokes and go. It's very aero, has
never come off by itself, and when I get off the bike, I
wear it as a [censored] pack. IMO, virtually any bike benefits
from a rear rack - or the rider does, at least! It's just a
good practical hikers' [censored] pack. Available in better
outdoor stores. Mine was from MEC in Canada, but not trying
to plug any brands. Bernie

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Question: For night riding, do I need a front light (for
legal purposes), or is it enough to have a rear light?

If anything, the front light is the more important, as long
as you also have a rear reflector. Check you local
ordinances for what's actually required as opposed to what
is recommended.

Most jurisdictions specify minimum visibility distances.

There have been discussions here about what the appropriate
type of lighting may be, but no one has ever successfully
argued that active lighting, front and rear, is a bad idea.

What you use is going to depend on your conditions and
your budget.

If you spend a lot of time riding after dark then a
generator may be the way to go, the "big" rechargeables
usually give up in run time what they gain in illumination,
although they are great for sub-hour winter commutes.

LEDs will likely meet the legal visibility requirements and
won't be too expensive in terms of initial cost, you might
still consider rechargeable batteries with these.

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On Mon, 31 May 2004 02:03:43 GMT, Beboper <[email hidden]>

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Question: For night riding, do I need a front light (for
legal purposes), or is it enough to have a rear light?

Front light is legally required in California.

Whether required or not, get one!!!! I have a Trek white LED
lamp- one LED, no good for seeing in the dark but fine for
being seen. Steady or flashing mode, AAA batteries, last
forever. And as small as rear lights. I consider the minimum
for night riding. Just notice how hard it is to see other
bicyclists when they don't have a front light if yo have any
doubts about their use.

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If I need to I'll get a LED one for long battery life.
That and it uses AA so it's lighter. I think the prob with
LED front light is that they don't put out much of a beam,
but my situation is more of a "to be seen" rather than "to
see," so if I put it on flash mode it should be OK.

I'm in a city so I don't need to light up the road. LED
lights work well in these situations.

Beboper said:

Question: For night riding, do I need a front light (for
legal purposes), or is it enough to have a rear light? If
I need to I'll get a LED one for long battery life. That
and it uses AA so it's lighter. I think the prob with LED
front light is that they don't put out much of a beam, but
my situation is more of a "to be seen" rather than "to
see," so if I put it on flash mode it should be OK.

Every state in the Union requires a front light, not only
"for legal purposes" but for practical purposes.

Most collisions with cars come from the front (turning
cars, cars pulling out in front of you, etc.) and most
serious falls are caused by things in the road in front
of you (gravel, potholes, bad RR tracks, etc.) You need
light in front.

LED headlights are (currently, in 2004) OK if you're riding
at slow speeds on good, smooth roads in areas where there's
good street lighting. They work as "be seen" lights. But I'm
sure they'll get much better in years to come.

If you find yourself riding in an area where the street
lights have gone out, or you get partially blinded by a
dimwit driver's high beams, or you get held over at work and
it's dark out, you'll want a good headlight.

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On Mon, 31 May 2004 02:03:43 GMT, Beboper <[email hidden]>

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Question: For night riding, do I need a front light (for
legal purposes),

I suppose local laws could differ, but in general, yes you
do.

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or is it enough to have a rear light? If I need to I'll get
a LED one for long battery life. That and it uses AA so
it's lighter. I think the prob with LED front light is that
they don't put out much of a beam, but my situation is more
of a "to be seen" rather than "to see," so if I put it on
flash mode it should be OK.

My Trek "Northern X2" has a 2.4 watt Halogen and an LED,
each with two modes. The halogen has dim and bright modes,
and the LED has solid and flashing. The LED is sufficient
for conditions where a light isn't really needed to see
where I'm going, and runs full-strength on nearly dead
batteries. When I used it with those almost-dead batteries,
I could see it's reflection on road signs very far away, so
it throws quite a bit of light.

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I'm getting used to the clipless stuff I've just got. It's
a SPD road type (one side only), so I'm still having some
probs getting my 2nd foot to clip
in. Yeah shoulda get a 2-sided setup oh well. Having to
look down more than once to flip it and get it clipped
isn't too great. With my old toe clips I can just flip
it by feel. Just need more practice I guess.

After one season with one-sided pedals, I gave up and put
some two-sided pedals on. Why bother with all that work,
when two-sided pedals are so cheap anyway?
--
Rick Onanian

Frank Krygowski said:

Bebopper said:

... So what I'm thinking of is a wide web belt with
removable attachments like a wallet pouch that I can
slip on and off. Then I can also attach a night blinky
or a cell phone using a normal belt clip.

I don't use anything like that. Back when I started
biking, I tried various ways of carrying stuff, and
decided that bags on the bike were absolutely the best. At
least, for me.

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you, uhh, been able to pull that off at work? (heh)

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Chalo said:

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you, uhh, been able to pull that off at work? (heh)

Kinda off-topic, but, utilikilts are a sort of Seattle fad,
aren't they? I would imagine in other cities, if a man wears
what some people would call a skirt, someone's going to get
beat up. Here, they seem to have some popularity among the
working class and certain Gen X types. Do men wear them in
other places?

(just curious)

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Chalo said:

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you, uhh, been able to pull that off at work? (heh)

Kinda off-topic, but, utilikilts are a sort of Seattle
fad, aren't they? I would imagine in other cities, if a
man wears what some people would call a skirt, someone's
going to get beat up. Here, they seem to have some
popularity among the working class and certain Gen X
types. Do men wear them in other places?

(just curious)

definitely not here in boise. i live in the (not a) liberal
neighbourhood in the state and could probably pull it off.

did you really mean gen x'ers? most of us are in our
thirties now. aiiyy...
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Chalo said:

utilikilts.comcatalog workman index.htmOpen ↗

you, uhh, been able to pull that off at work? (heh)

Kinda off-topic, but, utilikilts are a sort of Seattle
fad, aren't they? I would imagine in other cities, if a
man wears what some people would call a skirt, someone's
going to get beat up. Here, they seem to have some
popularity among the working class and certain Gen X
types. Do men wear them in other places?

Like Scotland? I imagine so!

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Claire Petersky said:

Kinda off-topic, but, utilikilts are a sort of Seattle
fad, aren't they? I would imagine in other cities, if a
man wears what some people would call a skirt, someone's
going to get beat up. Here, they seem to have some
popularity among the working class and certain Gen X
types. Do men wear them in other places?

Not in this corner of Ohio.

I have friends in an Irish band, who recently took to
performing in kilts. One of them recently told me that he
picked up an extra one very cheap - hinting I could buy it.

Not interested. I think he's going to have that extra kilt
for a long time.

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Claire Petersky said:

Kinda off-topic, but, utilikilts are a sort of Seattle fad,
aren't they? I would imagine in other cities, if a man
wears what some people would call a skirt, someone's going
to get beat up. Here, they seem to have some popularity
among the working class and certain Gen X types. Do men
wear them in other places?

The only time I've _ever_ seen a man in a kilt is when
he's dressed up in complete traditional garb for an
appropriate event.
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Rick Onanian