BROL Down?

Is there a better bike light than the NiteRider Flame
Thrower?

Is there a better deal for the NiteRider Flame Thrower
Lighting System for approximately $379.99 including
shipping?

niterider.comFlameThrower.htmlOpen ↗

I am interested in both their handlebar and helmet
mounting hardware.

Father Time

Depends. Why do you think you need such a powerful lighting
system? NR stuff is designed for extreme offroad
conditions. Not what we generally face on a recumbent. For
the same money, you could get ten of those 5-LED Cateyes
and a ton of AAs.

I've got a NiteRider rig with high intensity discharge lamp
head. I never would have purchased it myself, it was a
trade. The HID replacement bulb is almost $100 (including
shipping, if you look hard you can find them in the $60
range). That is a very expensive lighting system, yessirree.
When I meet oncoming riders I have to cover the light with
my hand or they curse at me, it's so unbelievably intense.
You must never leave NR components on your bike when it's
parked. They will be gone when you return. Be sure to carry
at least one good backup light because when the NR battery
runs out the HID dies within about 10 minutes. And I had to
create a silly extension pipe mount to move the light head
out past the fairing on my TE.

Aside from those minor annoyances, I love it. But again, I'd
have never bought one for myself with my own money. I doubt
you can find a better deal but you could save 20% if you
were an REI member and still have your Spring Sale coupon.
That takes it down to about $310.00, almost reasonable!

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Is there a better bike light than the NiteRider Flame
Thrower? Is there a better deal for the NiteRider Flame
Thrower Lighting System for approximately $379.99
including shipping?
niterider.comFlameThrower.htmlOpen ↗ I
am interested in both their handlebar and helmet mounting
hardware. Father Time

David Bogie said:

Depends. Why do you think you need such a powerful
lighting system? NR stuff is designed for extreme offroad
conditions. Not what we generally face on a recumbent.

I assume you mean that some NR stuff is meant for that. Some
of their stuff (including some products with "road" in the
name) is only "good enough" for on-road commuting, so
stepping up to other stuff that might be nominally intended
for trail use is reasonable.

Quoted message said:

For the same money, you could get ten of those 5-LED
Cateyes and a ton of AAs.

But that would weigh a ton :-), and where would you mount
those ten lights (which all combined still might not do as
good a job as a "to see" light in some road conditions).

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Aside from those minor annoyances, I love it. But again,
I'd have never bought one for myself with my own money. I
doubt you can find a better deal but you could save 20% if
you were an REI member and still have your Spring Sale
coupon. That takes it down to about $310.00, almost
reasonable!

Or he could get the CygoLite HID, which with 20% off is
$240, albeit with a NiCad battery.

--
I do not accept unsolicted commercial e-mail. Remove NO_UCE
for legitimate replies.

Father Time scribed with passion and wit:

Quoted message said:

Is there a better bike light than the NiteRider Flame
Thrower?

Is there a better deal for the NiteRider Flame Thrower
Lighting System for approximately $379.99 including
shipping?

niterider.comFlameThrower.htmlOpen ↗

I am interested in both their handlebar and helmet
mounting hardware.

Father Time

Looks a bit overpriced, do you have a vested interest?
--
Ian

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Ian,

I don't wear vests.

That's a strange question for you to ask of someone who
is asking for positive or negative feeback or an
alternative product.

Father Time

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Father Time scribed with passion and wit:

Quoted message said:

Is there a better bike light than the NiteRider Flame
Thrower?

Is there a better deal for the NiteRider Flame Thrower
Lighting System

for

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

approximately $379.99 including shipping?

niterider.comFlameThrower.htmlOpen ↗

I am interested in both their handlebar and helmet
mounting hardware.

Father Time

Looks a bit overpriced, do you have a vested interest?
--
Ian

catrike.co.ukcatrike.co.ukOpen ↗

Actually, it's not a strange question, because many people
try to spam newsgroups subtly by posting questions exactly
as you have asked. It sounded me me like a very sincere
question politely phrased.

Father Time said:

I don't wear vests.

(chuckle)

Quoted message said:

That's a strange question for you to ask of someone who is
asking for positive or negative feeback or an alternative
product.

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Quoted message said:

Looks a bit overpriced, do you have a vested interest?

--
Where no oxen are, the crib is clean, But much benefit is
derived from the labor of the ox.

Melinda Meahan

If I ask if there is a better light then you think that I
am spammer.

I don't follow your logic. Likewise this is not your first
time at sugar coating an attack on another's credibility
without facts.

Previously, I had commented on a thread about safety shirts
for bikes to which you commented "It's a classic Spam
methodology"

By your logic, since you have nothing on topic to contribute
then I should think that you are trolling.

This is a recumbent bike group where we share
information and ask questions without your prior
approval --mostly on topic.

This is not the bloody Spanish Inquisition.

We can afford to let a few spammers in if it stops the
paranoid belief that every poster sells a product.

You seem more interested in police topics that bike topics
so use alt.fan.police to stay on topic.

Please talk about your bike and not . . . is he or isn't he
a spammer.

And, I'll try not to feed the trolls, Melinda Meahan (if
that is who you really are).

On Topic:

All I want is a 4+ hours, bright bike light --and the brand
is not important!

Thanks for the good responses on hub based and less
expensive brands.

Father Time

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Melinda Meahan

If I ask if there is a better light then you think that I
am spammer.

Why are there four spaces between your sentences? Is that
how your newsreader is performing or is that how you are
performing? Try to get your posts so that they look like
everyone's else's why don't you.

Also, you are top posting without even including the message
you are commenting on. How the hell am I (or anyone else for
that matter) suppose to know what you are talking about. If
you are going to be critical of some one else's message, at
least get your own message in the proper form.

Quoted message said:

I don't follow your logic. Likewise this is not your first
time at sugar coating an attack on another's credibility
without facts.

All is fair in love and war - you know!

Quoted message said:

Previously, I had commented on a thread about safety
shirts for bikes to which you commented "It's a classic
Spam methodology"

By your logic, since you have nothing on topic to
contribute then I should think that you are trolling.

Why are you using two separate paragraphs when it should
only be a single paragraph? In fact, your entire message
boils down to only a couple of paragraphs. Did you learn to
write on some other planet than earth?

Quoted message said:

This is a recumbent bike group where we share
information and ask

questions

Quoted message said:

without your prior approval --mostly on topic.

This is true by and large, but no one needs your approval
either to comment on ANYTHING that is posted here - whether
it be on-topic or off-topic. If someone wants to call you a
spammer, then so be it. Hells Bells! I have been called
everything in the book by the denizens who reside here on
ARBR. So what else is new, Jocko? Maybe you have some names
you would like to call me too right about now? But if you
decided to do it, please have the good grace to post it in
the proper form as there is nothing that pisses me off more
than an improper post. Try to think in paragraphs instead of
single sentences and do not leave vast blocks of space
between your sentences either as it appears that you have a
vacuum in your brain when you do that.

Quoted message said:

This is not the bloody Spanish Inquisition.

The Spanish Inquisition has an undeserved bad reputation.
Seen from their point of view, all they were doing is trying
to save souls for the Kingdom of God. You do have a soul
that needs to be saved, don't you?

Quoted message said:

We can afford to let a few spammers in if it stops the
paranoid belief

that

Quoted message said:

every poster sells a product.

No, we don't need no steenkin' spammers here!

Quoted message said:

You seem more interested in police topics that bike topics
so use alt.fan.police to stay on topic.

Being on-topic is vastly overrated. Am I the only one here
who notices that when everyone is always on-topic, that the
posts are without fail idiotic, stupid and boring! Like your
posts for instance, Father Time!

Quoted message said:

Please talk about your bike and not . . . is he or isn't
he a spammer.

Talking about bikes gets quite boring after awhile. We can
talk about any damn thing we want to here, and if you don't
like it, you can go screw yourself, or as we use to say when
I was a kid, go jump in the lake!

Quoted message said:

And, I'll try not to feed the trolls, Melinda Meahan (if
that is who you really are).

Jeez! You get off topic and all the nuts and screwballs
accuse you of being a troll. Where is the logic there? Let
see if this nut Father Time (if that is who you really are)
can forbear from feeding this troll?

--
Ed Dolan (I am who I really am!) - Minnesota

Quoted message said:

Hells Bells! I have been called everything in the book by
the denizens who

reside here on ARBR

How does that make you feel?

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"Father Time" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Melinda Meahan

If I ask if there is a better light then you think that
I am spammer.

Why are there four spaces between your sentences? Is that
how your newsreader is performing or is that how you are
performing? Try to get

your

Quoted message said:

posts so that they look like everyone's else's why
don't you.

Also, you are top posting without even including the
message you are commenting on. How the hell am I (or
anyone else for that matter) suppose to know what you are
talking about. If you are going to be critical of

some

Quoted message said:

one else's message, at least get your own message in the
proper form.

Quoted message said:

I don't follow your logic. Likewise this is not your
first time at

sugar

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

coating an attack on another's credibility without
facts.

All is fair in love and war - you know!

Quoted message said:

Previously, I had commented on a thread about safety
shirts for bikes to which you commented "It's a classic
Spam methodology"

By your logic, since you have nothing on topic to
contribute then I

should

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

think that you are trolling.

Why are you using two separate paragraphs when it should
only be a single paragraph? In fact, your entire message
boils down to only a couple of paragraphs. Did you learn
to write on some other planet than earth?

Quoted message said:

This is a recumbent bike group where we share
information and ask

questions

Quoted message said:

without your prior approval --mostly on topic.

This is true by and large, but no one needs your approval
either to

comment

Quoted message said:

on ANYTHING that is posted here - whether it be on-topic
or off-topic. If someone wants to call you a spammer, then
so be it. Hells Bells! I have

been

Quoted message said:

called everything in the book by the denizens who reside
here on ARBR. So what else is new, Jocko? Maybe you have
some names you would like to call

me

Quoted message said:

too right about now? But if you decided to do it, please
have the good

grace

Quoted message said:

to post it in the proper form as there is nothing that
pisses me off more than an improper post. Try to think in
paragraphs instead of single sentences and do not leave
vast blocks of space between your sentences either as it
appears that you have a vacuum in your brain when you do

that.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

This is not the bloody Spanish Inquisition.

The Spanish Inquisition has an undeserved bad reputation.
Seen from their point of view, all they were doing is
trying to save souls for the Kingdom of God. You do have a
soul that needs to be saved, don't you?

Quoted message said:

We can afford to let a few spammers in if it stops the
paranoid belief

that

Quoted message said:

every poster sells a product.

No, we don't need no steenkin' spammers here!

Quoted message said:

You seem more interested in police topics that bike
topics so use alt.fan.police to stay on topic.

Being on-topic is vastly overrated. Am I the only one here
who notices

that

Quoted message said:

when everyone is always on-topic, that the posts are
without fail idiotic, stupid and boring! Like your posts
for instance, Father Time!

Quoted message said:

Please talk about your bike and not . . . is he or isn't
he a spammer.

Talking about bikes gets quite boring after awhile. We can
talk about any damn thing we want to here, and if you
don't like it, you can go screw yourself, or as we use to
say when I was a kid, go jump in the lake!

Quoted message said:

And, I'll try not to feed the trolls, Melinda Meahan (if
that is who you really are).

Jeez! You get off topic and all the nuts and screwballs
accuse you of

being

Quoted message said:

a troll. Where is the logic there? Let see if this nut
Father Time (if that is who you really are) can forbear

from

Quoted message said:

feeding this troll?

--
Ed Dolan (I am who I really am!) - Minnesota

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Quoted message said:

Hells Bells! I have been called everything in the book by
the denizens

who

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reside here on ARBR.

How does that make you feel?

It is all water off a duck's back by now. I will admit at
first I was a bit

idiot to boot, but I got used to it and now it is all music
to my ears. I give Mr. Sherman most of the credit for my
ability to take fire under pressure. In fact, if someone is
not calling me a name, I feel some what slighted and
ignored. The folks on this newsgroup that I have a decent
relationship with I can count on the fingers of one hand.
Apparently, it is not my destiny to be loved, or even
liked. So be it!

Thanks for the proper post. Form counts for a lot with me.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Father Time said:

I don't follow your logic. Likewise this is not your first
time at sugar coating an attack on another's credibility
without facts.

Previously, I had commented on a thread about safety
shirts for bikes to which you commented "It's a classic
Spam methodology"

Ah, then it's probably just your "tone of voice" that is
coming across that way.

Quoted message said:

By your logic, since you have nothing on topic to
contribute then I should think that you are trolling.

Ha! You can go check my Usenet posting record on Google and
see that I am not a troll. You just said that you thought it
was strange that someone asked if you had a vested interest
in something you asked about in a peculiar way and I was
just trying to do you the courtesy of commenting on why I
thought they had said it. *I* was not questioning your
intentions, nor was I criticizing them or anything.

Quoted message said:

This is a recumbent bike group where we share
information and ask questions without your prior
approval --mostly on topic.

I never said that anybody needed my approval. The idea of
that is totally ridiculous anyway. I wasn't saying that *I*
thought you were a troll, only that given the way you
phrased your question I didn't think it was so strange of a
thing to wonder about, but I thought the person who asked if
you had a vested interest was sincerely asking the question.

Quoted message said:

This is not the bloody Spanish Inquisition.

Of course not.

Quoted message said:

We can afford to let a few spammers in if it stops the
paranoid belief that every poster sells a product.

(A) If I had really believed you to be a spammer, I
would not have said anything to you on the list but
rather would have reported you to your ISP. I'm that
kind of person.

(B) I absolutely disagree on "allowing" spammers into
Usenet, and I can think of quite a few newsgroups whose
signal-to-noise ratio demonstrate why.

Quoted message said:

You seem more interested in police topics that bike topics
so use alt.fan.police to stay on topic.

(C) Please note that I never tried to criticize anybody for
being off-topic, spamming, or whatever.

(D) I glean more information here than I can offer, and that
is a reasonable reason for hanging out on a NG.

Quoted message said:

Please talk about your bike and not . . . is he or isn't
he a spammer.

I wasn't saying who was or who wasn't a spammer. You must
have me confused with the person who asked if you had a
vested interest in the light you asked about.

Quoted message said:

And, I'll try not to feed the trolls, Melinda Meahan (if
that is who you really are).

(CHUCKLE) "Melinda Meahan" sounds more like a real person
than "Father Time."

Quoted message said:

All I want is a 4+ hours, bright bike light --and the
brand is not important!

I saw a Cateye LED light at the LBS a day or two ago that
looked really good. It had the configuration of three
circles on the top row nad one or two circles on the bottom
row, and I was really impressed with how bright it looked in
the middle of the day in bright light, so I bet it would
look really bright at night.

--
Where no oxen are, the crib is clean, But much benefit is
derived from the labor of the ox.

"Melinda Meahan - remove TRASH to reply" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

Father Time said:

I don't follow your logic. Likewise this is not your
first time at

sugar

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

coating an attack on another's credibility without
facts.

Previously, I had commented on a thread about safety
shirts for bikes to which you commented "It's a classic
Spam methodology"

Ah, then it's probably just your "tone of voice" that is
coming across that way.

Quoted message said:

By your logic, since you have nothing on topic to
contribute then I

should

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

think that you are trolling.

Ha! You can go check my Usenet posting record on Google
and see that I am not a troll. You just said that you
thought it was strange that someone asked if you had a
vested interest in something you asked about in a peculiar
way and I was just trying to do you the courtesy of
commenting on why I thought they had said it. *I* was not
questioning your intentions, nor was I criticizing them or
anything.

Quoted message said:

This is a recumbent bike group where we share
information and ask

questions

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

without your prior approval --mostly on topic.

I never said that anybody needed my approval. The idea of
that is totally ridiculous anyway. I wasn't saying that
*I* thought you were a troll, only that given the way you
phrased your question I didn't think it was so strange of
a thing to wonder about, but I thought the person who
asked if you had a vested interest was sincerely asking
the question.

Quoted message said:

This is not the bloody Spanish Inquisition.

Of course not.

Quoted message said:

We can afford to let a few spammers in if it stops the
paranoid belief

that

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

every poster sells a product.

(A) If I had really believed you to be a spammer, I would
not have said anything to you on the list but rather
would have reported you to your ISP. I'm that kind of
person.

(B) I absolutely disagree on "allowing" spammers into
Usenet, and I can think of quite a few newsgroups
whose signal-to-noise ratio demonstrate

why.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You seem more interested in police topics that bike
topics so use alt.fan.police to stay on topic.

(A) Please note that I never tried to criticize anybody
for being off-topic, spamming, or whatever.

(B) I glean more information here than I can offer, and
that is a reasonable reason for hanging out on a NG.

Quoted message said:

Please talk about your bike and not . . . is he or isn't
he a spammer.

I wasn't saying who was or who wasn't a spammer. You must
have me confused with the person who asked if you had a
vested interest in the light you asked about.

Quoted message said:

And, I'll try not to feed the trolls, Melinda Meahan (if
that is who you really are).

(CHUCKLE) "Melinda Meahan" sounds more like a real person
than "Father Time."

Quoted message said:

All I want is a 4+ hours, bright bike light --and the
brand is not important!

I saw a Cateye LED light at the LBS a day or two ago that
looked really good. It had the configuration of three
circles on the top row nad one or two circles on the
bottom row, and I was really impressed with how bright it
looked in the middle of the day in bright light, so I bet
it would look really bright at night.

It is interesting to note and compare my answer to Father
Time to Melinda's. She is ever the note of sweet reason and
forbearance. I fancy that I used to be like this myself in
another lifetime, but I have given it up as I have learned
from bitter experience that sweet reason and forbearance
will get you exactly nowhere in this life. It even seems to
engender contempt for the most part. So instead, I go for
the jugular like a mad beast because that is what life (and
Mr. Sherman) has taught me to do.

However, it is good to touch base every now and then with a
rational soul who knows how to think about things. Note at
the end of her message how she still wants to be helpful to
this jerk about the bike light. That would not ever even
occur to me to do such a thing! I always like to end my
messages with a bit of invective so there is no mistaking
how I feel about things. Truth to tell, I am mostly [censored] 100% of the time lately. I blame this sad state of
affairs wholly on Mr. Sherman, ever my nemesis and foe 'til
death do us part.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

In a word - Yes - It's not pretty and requires changing
batteries everynight, but yes! therer is a better system!

I commute 14 miles, one way, week-days starting at 4 AM,
and I went through many variations before I discovered the
current system that works GREAT! It's always dark, winter
and summer on the way to work, and in the winter, it's
sometimes dark by the time that I head for home. I do a
lot of night riding! Part of my route is no paved or
lighted, part is.

I use three Mag-Lites! powered with rechargeable
batteries. I always have a set of batteries charging at
home when I am at work, and a set of batteries charging at
work when I am at home.

The Mag-Lites that I use are the smaller version of the
three to five D-cell battery flashlights that you see a lot
of cops and truckers use. Milled from solid aluminum and
almost indistructalble. Cops that carry one of these do not
carry night sticks, truckers routinely use them as tire
thumpers. They're tough!

They put ot a lot of light, I once had a car flash his
brights at me thinking I was on a hi/low beam system!
Three lights allow you to focus the beams where you
want/need them, for me that is two out and one down close.
Works great!

Mounting can be a problem, as the mount must be stable and
yet quickly dismountable. I solved the problem by making a
block cut out of resin that matches the handlebar piece that
I have mounted on the front. The block mounts to the bar,
and the flashlight to the block, both held on by one wrap of
velcro. Works great, only the velcro has needed to be
replaced. Slight re-adjustment when mounting each morning is
easy! It's fast, they come off right away at work, and plop
into my bag.

Cost? I don't know, as it has been too long, but the system
consists of: Three, 2 cell, mag-lites; 24 C-cell batteries;
2 chargers; velcro; resin blocks.

Hope this helps.

--muskrat--

Father Time said:

Is there a better bike light than the NiteRider Flame
Thrower?

Is there a better deal for the NiteRider Flame Thrower
Lighting System for approximately $379.99 including
shipping?

niterider.comFlameThrower.htmlOpen ↗

I am interested in both their handlebar and helmet
mounting hardware.

Father Time

Now I know how bottom posting is seen as ridiculous by some
people. Your whole post was cut off Ed. I do not quite
relate with lights, spam (for lights?) but I learned about
the top versus bottom rants.

Chris Jordan Santa Cruz, CA

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"Melinda Meahan - remove TRASH to reply"
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Quoted message said:

Father Time said:

I don't follow your logic. Likewise this is not your
first time at

sugar

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

coating an attack on another's credibility without
facts.

Previously, I had commented on a thread about safety
shirts for bikes to which you commented "It's a
classic Spam methodology"

Ah, then it's probably just your "tone of voice" that is
coming across that way.

Quoted message said:

By your logic, since you have nothing on topic to
contribute then I

should

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

think that you are trolling.

Ha! You can go check my Usenet posting record on Google
and see that I am not a troll. You just said that you
thought it was strange that someone asked if you had a
vested interest in something you asked about in a
peculiar way and I was just trying to do you the
courtesy of commenting on why I thought they had said
it. *I* was not questioning your intentions, nor was I
criticizing them or anything.

Quoted message said:

This is a recumbent bike group where we share
information and ask

questions

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

without your prior approval --mostly on topic.

I never said that anybody needed my approval. The idea
of that is totally ridiculous anyway. I wasn't saying
that *I* thought you were a troll, only that given the
way you phrased your question I didn't think it was so
strange of a thing to wonder about, but I thought the
person who asked if you had a vested interest was
sincerely asking the question.

Quoted message said:

This is not the bloody Spanish Inquisition.

Of course not.

Quoted message said:

We can afford to let a few spammers in if it stops the
paranoid belief

that

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

every poster sells a product.

(A) If I had really believed you to be a spammer, I
would not have said anything to you on the list but
rather would have reported you to your ISP. I'm that
kind of person.

(B) I absolutely disagree on "allowing" spammers into
Usenet, and I can think of quite a few newsgroups
whose signal-to-noise ratio demonstrate

why.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You seem more interested in police topics that bike
topics so use alt.fan.police to stay on topic.

(A) Please note that I never tried to criticize anybody
for being off-topic, spamming, or whatever.

(B) I glean more information here than I can offer, and
that is a reasonable reason for hanging out on a NG.

Quoted message said:

Please talk about your bike and not . . . is he or
isn't he a spammer.

I wasn't saying who was or who wasn't a spammer. You
must have me confused with the person who asked if you
had a vested interest in the light you asked about.

Quoted message said:

And, I'll try not to feed the trolls, Melinda Meahan
(if that is who you really are).

(CHUCKLE) "Melinda Meahan" sounds more like a real
person than "Father Time."

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All I want is a 4+ hours, bright bike light --and the
brand is not important!

"Christopher Jordan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Now I know how bottom posting is seen as ridiculous by
some people. Your whole post was cut off Ed. I do not
quite relate with lights, spam (for lights?) but I learned
about the top versus bottom rants.

What the hell do you mean my post was cut off? What kind of
a newsreader are you using? I am using my OE newsreader and
it works just fine. If you are using Google, it should all
be there on the page even if you have to go to the full page
to get it. Screw it! If you do not know how to use Google by
now, then you never will.

By the way, I never rant. My posts are replete with wisdom
and truth and many other good things. I always cut to the
quick of an argument. You should hang on my every word and
at the end of it all you will be a wiser and far better man
than you have ever been heretofore.

There is NEVER any reason to top post. If you have a brain
in your head, you can figure out how to edit judiciously so
as to help the reader to make sense out of what is being
said. That is always my number one main concern - to make
sure that the reader knows what is going on. But when some
one top posts, it is almost impossible to accomplish this
very simple and elementary task.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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It is interesting to note and compare my answer to Father
Time to Melinda's. She is ever the note of sweet reason
and forbearance.

Why, thank you for the compliment!

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be like this myself in another lifetime, but I have given
it up as I have learned from bitter experience that sweet
reason and forbearance will get you exactly nowhere in
this life.

Where it gets me for the most part is to stay in a
state of contentment and peace. But I will concede that
it's primarily a female-gender thing more than a male-
gender thing.

--
Where no oxen are, the crib is clean, But much benefit is
derived from the labor of the ox.

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Edward Dolan said:

It is interesting to note and compare my answer to
Father Time to

Melinda's.

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She is ever the note of sweet reason and forbearance.

Why, thank you for the compliment!

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be like this myself in another lifetime, but I have
given it up as I

have

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learned from bitter experience that sweet reason and
forbearance will

get

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you exactly nowhere in this life.

Where it gets me for the most part is to stay in a
state of contentment and peace. But I will concede that
it's primarily a female-gender thing more than a male-
gender thing.

You have got that right Melinda. We men are only good for
one thing and that is killing one another. After a life time
of reflecting on the human condition I despair of there ever
being any such thing as progress. What needs to happen is
for the male gender to go out of existence and for the

place is to spread those genes around in order to insure
vigor and vitality. Nature made a huge mistake when it
could not figure out how to procreate by cell division
without all the problems of inbreeding. If nature could
have solved this problem by cell division, there would
never have been any reason

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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Melinda's.

. What needs to happen is for the male gender to go out of
existence and for the

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female gender to completely take over

Well noted; and speaking of that Catrike Speed can now be
purchased at Amazon.com I bought my Speed from a female
dealer last year, so I guess I am ahead of the game.

Such a shame it did not have lights! That *is* what this
thread is about; isn't it?

Chris J.

"Christopher Jordan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message pare my
answer to Father

Time to

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Melinda's.

. What needs to happen is for the male gender to go out of
existence and for the

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female gender to completely take over

Well noted; and speaking of that Catrike Speed can now be
purchased at Amazon.com I bought my Speed from a female
dealer last year, so I guess I am ahead of the game.

Such a shame it did not have lights! That *is* what this
thread is about; isn't it?

Chris J.

Chris, any thread that goes on too long is going to get
sidetracked and/or go off the rails altogether. That of
course is what has happened to this thread. You must learn
to expect this sort of thing because we are all mature
adults here and we have minds that range broadly. One
thought leads to another and before you know it we are in
Timbuktu. You might as well get used to it. Only extremely
boring subject topics will stay on topic. That is not really
what we want here is it?

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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is killing one another. After a life time of reflecting on
the human condition I despair of there ever being any such
thing as progress. What needs to happen is for the male
gender to go out of existence and for the female gender to
completely take over.

I don't think so. I think that would cause more problems
than it would create. In fact I think that tendency *is*
causing more problems than it thinks it is solving

Melinda, a traditionalist at heart

--
Where no oxen are, the crib is clean, But much benefit is
derived from the labor of the ox.