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"Normal" XT stuff drying up

The Nelson Para · 2004-05-28T02:45:06+00:00

We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then set about ordering their replacement. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had them in stock. Some of them blamed a shortage of Shimano parts. More likely Shimano has already quit making these in favor of the new XTR clone with the wiggly brake levers and the "Low normal" (son of Rapid Rise) derailleur. I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next year. Prolly even Deore. Keeping my good old stuff up is going to get harder and harder. Like finding a good old long (127mm) bottom bracket spindle made of quality metal. --- __o _`\(,_ Cycling is life, (_)/ (_) all the rest, just details. The Nelson Paradigm =^o.o^= http://intergalax.com http://intbike.com _______ Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.682 / Virus Database: 444 - Release Date: 5/11/2004

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The Nelson Para
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28 May 2004, 02:45 UTC #1

We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then set about
ordering their replacement.
Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had them in
stock. Some of them blamed a shortage of Shimano parts.
More likely Shimano has already quit making these in favor
of the new XTR clone with the wiggly brake levers and the
"Low normal" (son of Rapid Rise) derailleur.
I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next year.
Prolly even Deore.
Keeping my good old stuff up is going to get harder and
harder. Like finding a good old long (127mm) bottom bracket
spindle made of quality metal.
---
__o _`\(,_ Cycling is life, (_)/ (_) all the rest,
just details. The Nelson Paradigm =^o.o^=
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Zilla
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28 May 2004, 02:45 UTC #2

The Nelson Paradigm said:
We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then set
about ordering their replacement.
Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had them in
stock. Some of them blamed a shortage of Shimano parts.
More likely Shimano has already quit making these in favor
of the new XTR clone with the wiggly brake levers and the
"Low normal" (son of Rapid Rise) derailleur.
I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next year.
Prolly even Deore.
Keeping my good old stuff up is going to get harder and
harder. Like finding a good old long (127mm) bottom
bracket spindle made of quality metal.
---
__o _`\(,_ Cycling is life, (_)/ (_) all the rest,
just details. The Nelson Paradigm =^o.o^=
intergalax.comintergalax.com intbike.comintbike.com
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Time to go SRAM...
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- Zilla Cary, NC (Remove XSPAM)

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28 May 2004, 03:15 UTC #3

The Nelson Paradigm said:
We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then set
about ordering their replacement.
Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had them in
stock. Some of them blamed a shortage of Shimano parts.
More likely Shimano has already quit making these in favor
of the new XTR clone with the wiggly brake levers and the
"Low normal" (son of Rapid Rise) derailleur.
I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next year.
Prolly even Deore.
Keeping my good old stuff up is going to get harder and
harder. Like finding a good old long (127mm) bottom
bracket spindle made of quality metal.

google.comsearch
8&q=shimano+shortages
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Slacker

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G.T.
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28 May 2004, 03:30 UTC #4

"Zilla" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:
The Nelson Paradigm said:
We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then set
about ordering their replacement.
Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had them
in stock. Some of them blamed a shortage of Shimano
parts.
More likely Shimano has already quit making these in
favor of the new XTR clone with the wiggly brake levers
and the "Low normal" (son of Rapid Rise) derailleur.
I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next
year. Prolly even Deore.
Keeping my good old stuff up is going to get harder and
harder. Like finding a good old long (127mm) bottom
bracket spindle made of quality metal.
---
__o _`\(,_ Cycling is life, (_)/ (_) all the
rest, just details. The Nelson Paradigm =^o.o^=
intergalax.comintergalax.com intbike.comintbike.com
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Time to go SRAM...
Definitely.
Greg

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Craig Brossman
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28 May 2004, 14:00 UTC #5

The Nelson Paradigm said:
We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then set
about ordering their replacement.
Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had them in
stock. Some of them blamed a shortage of Shimano parts.
More likely Shimano has already quit making these in favor
of the new XTR clone with the wiggly brake levers and the
"Low normal" (son of Rapid Rise) derailleur.
I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next year.
Prolly even Deore.
Keeping my good old stuff up is going to get harder and
harder. Like finding a good old long (127mm) bottom
bracket spindle made of quality metal.
---
__o _`\(,_ Cycling is life, (_)/ (_) all the rest,
just details. The Nelson Paradigm =^o.o^=
intergalax.comintergalax.com intbike.comintbike.com
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I like my new Sram triggers and rear mech.
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Andrew Thorne
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28 May 2004, 14:15 UTC #6

Quoted message said:
We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then set about
ordering their replacement.
Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had them in
stock. Some of them blamed a shortage of Shimano parts.
More likely Shimano has already quit making these in favor
of the new XTR clone with the wiggly brake levers and the
"Low normal" (son of Rapid Rise) derailleur.
I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next year.
Prolly even Deore.
Keeping my good old stuff up is going to get harder and
harder. Like finding a good old long (127mm) bottom bracket
spindle made of quality metal.
Point 1) Buy sram Point 2) UN-72's are still widely
available.
Cheers,
-Andre

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28 May 2004, 16:45 UTC #7

"The Nelson Paradigm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then set
about ordering their replacement.
Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had them in
stock. Some of them blamed a shortage of Shimano parts.
More likely Shimano has already quit making these in favor
of the new XTR clone with the wiggly brake levers and the
"Low normal" (son of Rapid

Rise)
Quoted message said:
derailleur.
I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next year.
Prolly even Deore.
Make that bet. tinyurl.com2fp9w (links to
cyclingnews.com)
XTR = XT = LX in 2005
I've spoken with Shimano reps about Dual Control and they
feel very strongly that it's superior to Rapidrise. They
bluntly told me that Rapidrise is dead... DEAD!, I tell
ya... D-E-A-D <sniffling>
To put it in one reps words, "The future is Dual Control.
Rapidrise is old, being replaced..." All three I've spoken
with have used "Dual Control"
w/the word "future" as if they are reciting something from
their Shimano propaganda.
Rapidrise has served me very well. I don't understand why I
am being forced to adopt something else. Would it kill
Shimano to keep both systems? I guess so.
Dave

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28 May 2004, 16:45 UTC #8

"The Nelson Paradigm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then set
about ordering their replacement.
Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had them in
stock. Some of them blamed a shortage of Shimano parts.
More likely Shimano has already quit making these in favor
of the new XTR clone with the wiggly brake levers and the
"Low normal" (son of Rapid Rise) derailleur.
I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next year.
Prolly even Deore.
Keeping my good old stuff up is going to get harder and
harder. Like finding a good old long (127mm) bottom
bracket spindle made of quality metal.
---
__o _`\(,_ Cycling is life, (_)/ (_) all the rest,
just details. The Nelson Paradigm =^o.o^=
intergalax.comintergalax.com intbike.comintbike.com
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If it drops down to LX/Deore next year, you won't have
a problem.
/scott

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Jonesy
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28 May 2004, 17:00 UTC #9

"The Nelson Paradigm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then set
about ordering their replacement.
Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had them in
stock. Some of them blamed a shortage of Shimano parts.
More likely Shimano has already quit making these in favor
of the new XTR clone with the wiggly brake levers and the
"Low normal" (son of Rapid Rise) derailleur.
I guess that means that they want none of their stuff to be
interoperable from year-to-year. That's OK - When I wreck my
RD, I'll just buy SRAM. If I blow up my crank or BB, I'll go
Raceface. When my hubs give up, I'll go Hope or some other.
Since SRAM has triggers and a FD now, folks *could* go Shimano-
free immediately. It is unlikely that I will willing buy a
new Shimano part ever again. Uhh, let me clarify - I'm gonna
buy some Octalink BB - 2 for each bike. When they're done,
so is Shimano on my bikes.
Buh-bye, Shimano.
--
Jonesy "eventually"

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Craig Brossman
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28 May 2004, 19:00 UTC #10

Jonesy said:
I guess that means that they want none of their stuff to
be interoperable from year-to-year. That's OK - When I
wreck my RD, I'll just buy SRAM. If I blow up my crank or
BB, I'll go Raceface. When my hubs give up, I'll go Hope
or some other. Since SRAM has triggers and a FD now, folks
*could* go Shimano-free immediately. It is unlikely that I
will willing buy a new Shimano part ever again. Uhh, let
me clarify - I'm gonna buy some Octalink BB - 2 for each
bike. When they're done, so is Shimano on my bikes.
Buh-bye, Shimano.
I am close, but the new Shimano XT "thru" crank is very
nice, so it sits on my new bike. Next year when the cash is
availabe, the XT hubs go, since my wife is getting CK on
her new bike (yeah, she is spoiled, shouldn't they all be),
I can get away with it. My old XT front mech is serving me
well after 5 years, it will be pretty hard to part with
that though.
--
Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado (remove ".nospam" to reply)

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28 May 2004, 22:58 UTC #11

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I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next year.
Prolly even Deore.
Already has for 2005. Singletrack Mag had a photo shoot of
the new LX gear

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The Nelson Para
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29 May 2004, 01:01 UTC #12

Andrew Thorne wrote:
|| We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then set
|| about ordering their replacement.
||
|| Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had them in
|| stock. Some of them blamed a shortage of Shimano parts.
||
|| More likely Shimano has already quit making these in
|| favor of the new XTR clone with the wiggly brake levers
|| and the "Low normal" (son of Rapid Rise) derailleur.
||
|| I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next year.
|| Prolly even Deore.
||
|| Keeping my good old stuff up is going to get harder and
|| harder. Like finding a good old long (127mm) bottom
|| bracket spindle made of quality metal.
||
||
|
| Point 1) Buy sram
Not unless they start making old fashion thumbshifters
| Point 2) UN-72's are still widely available.
Yes, and I'll use them when the cup and cone spindles wear
out. I still prefer the old school XT spindles.
My last one went onto my Big Sur a month ago. After that
it's UN-73 (the current version of UN72)
|
| Cheers,
|
| -Andre
---
__o _`\(,_ Cycling is life, (_)/ (_) all the rest,
just details. The Nelson Paradigm =^o.o^=
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Klydesdale
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30 May 2004, 12:45 UTC #13

"Pistof" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
"The Nelson Paradigm" <[email hidden]> wrote
in message "]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then set
about ordering

their
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
replacement.
Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had them
in stock. Some

of
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
them blamed a shortage of Shimano parts.
More likely Shimano has already quit making these in
favor of the new

XTR
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
clone with the wiggly brake levers and the "Low normal"
(son of Rapid

Rise)
Quoted message said:
derailleur.
I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next
year. Prolly even Deore.
Make that bet. tinyurl.com2fp9w (links to
cyclingnews.com)
XTR = XT = LX in 2005
I've spoken with Shimano reps about Dual Control and they
feel very

strongly
Quoted message said:
that it's superior to Rapidrise. They bluntly told me that
Rapidrise is dead... DEAD!, I tell ya... D-E-A-D
<sniffling>
To put it in one reps words, "The future is Dual Control.
Rapidrise is

old,
Quoted message said:
being replaced..." All three I've spoken with have used
"Dual Control"
w/the word "future" as if they are reciting something from
their Shimano propaganda.
Rapidrise has served me very well. I don't understand why
I am being

forced
Quoted message said:
to adopt something else. Would it kill Shimano to keep
both systems? I guess so.
Was RapidRise ever really alive to begin with? I've never
had it on any of my bikes and none of the guys in my regular
ride group has ever used it in the ten or so years we've
been riding together.
Remember, we're talking 'Normal" XT stuff here and RapidRise
was far from normal for XT derailleurs.

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G.T.
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30 May 2004, 18:00 UTC #14

"KLydesdale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:

"Pistof" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
"The Nelson Paradigm" <[email hidden]> wrote
in message "]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then set
about ordering

their
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
replacement.
Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had them
in stock. Some

of
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
them blamed a shortage of Shimano parts.
More likely Shimano has already quit making these in
favor of the new

XTR
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
clone with the wiggly brake levers and the "Low
normal" (son of Rapid

Rise)
Quoted message said:
derailleur.
I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next
year. Prolly even Deore.
Make that bet. tinyurl.com2fp9w (links to
cyclingnews.com)
XTR = XT = LX in 2005
I've spoken with Shimano reps about Dual Control and
they feel very

strongly
Quoted message said:
that it's superior to Rapidrise. They bluntly told me
that Rapidrise is dead... DEAD!, I tell ya... D-E-A-D
<sniffling>
To put it in one reps words, "The future is Dual
Control. Rapidrise is

old,
Quoted message said:
being replaced..." All three I've spoken with have used
"Dual Control"
w/the word "future" as if they are reciting something
from their Shimano propaganda.
Rapidrise has served me very well. I don't understand
why I am being

forced
Quoted message said:
to adopt something else. Would it kill Shimano to keep
both systems? I guess so.
Was RapidRise ever really alive to begin with?
Replace RapidRise with RapidFire and the above makes more
sense. Dual Control is replacing RapidFire, and doesn't
Dual Control use RapidRise or whatever they're calling it
now, anyway?
Greg

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The Nelson Para
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30 May 2004, 18:15 UTC #15

G.T. wrote:
| "KLydesdale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
| "]news:[email hidden]...
||
|| "Pistof" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
|| "]news:[email hidden]...
||| "The Nelson Paradigm" <[email hidden]> wrote
||| in message "]news:[email hidden]...
|||| We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then set
|||| about ordering their replacement.
||||
|||| Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had them
|||| in stock. Some of them blamed a shortage of Shimano
|||| parts.
||||
|||| More likely Shimano has already quit making these in
|||| favor of the new XTR clone with the wiggly brake levers
|||| and the "Low normal" (son of Rapid Rise) derailleur.
||||
|||| I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next
|||| year. Prolly even Deore.
|||
||| Make that bet. tinyurl.com2fp9w (links to
||| cyclingnews.com)
|||
||| XTR = XT = LX in 2005
|||
||| I've spoken with Shimano reps about Dual Control and
||| they feel very strongly that it's superior to Rapidrise.
||| They bluntly told me that Rapidrise is dead... DEAD!, I
||| tell ya... D-E-A-D <sniffling>
|||
||| To put it in one reps words, "The future is Dual
||| Control. Rapidrise is old, being replaced..." All three
||| I've spoken with have used "Dual Control" w/the word
||| "future" as if they are reciting something from their
||| Shimano propaganda.
|||
||| Rapidrise has served me very well. I don't understand
||| why I am being forced to adopt something else. Would it
||| kill Shimano to keep both systems? I guess so.
|||
||
|| Was RapidRise ever really alive to begin with?
|
| Replace RapidRise with RapidFire and the above makes more
| sense. Dual Control is replacing RapidFire, and doesn't
| Dual Control use RapidRise or whatever they're calling it
| now, anyway?
It's all in a name. When I asked the Shimano rep why the
Dual Control uses a Rapid Rise (reverse sprung) rear mech,
he about bit my head off - it's now called "Low Normal"
(sounds to me like 'below normal' intelligence.)
It means that, with the shortage they are now experiencing,
they are concentrating on their new stuff and either
ignoring or have totally discontinued XT and XTR rear mechs
with the proper springs in it.
I'll just come out and say it: The XT derailleurs (except
the 8s wimpy spring version) have always been my favorite.
They work well and work long and are worth every penny. I
have 7s era rears working today. I *DO NOT LIKE* the
reverse spring mech. It relies on the spring to pull the
chain to larger cogs, instead of the smaller ones. A cable
pulling the chain to larger cogs works better and more
reliably. Period.
---
__o _`\(,_ Cycling is life, (_)/ (_) all the rest,
just details. The Nelson Paradigm =^o.o^=
intergalax.comintergalax.com intbike.comintbike.com
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30 May 2004, 18:45 UTC #16

The Nelson Paradigm said:
G.T. wrote:
| "KLydesdale" <[email hidden]> wrote in
| message "]news:[email hidden]...
||
|| "Pistof" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
|| "]news:[email hidden]...
||| "The Nelson Paradigm" <[email hidden]>
||| wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
|||| We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then set
|||| about ordering their replacement.
||||
|||| Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had
|||| them in stock. Some of them blamed a shortage of
|||| Shimano parts.
||||
|||| More likely Shimano has already quit making these in
|||| favor of the new XTR clone with the wiggly brake
|||| levers and the "Low normal" (son of Rapid Rise)
|||| derailleur.
||||
|||| I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next
|||| year. Prolly even Deore.
|||
||| Make that bet. tinyurl.com2fp9w (links to
||| cyclingnews.com)
|||
||| XTR = XT = LX in 2005
|||
||| I've spoken with Shimano reps about Dual Control and
||| they feel very strongly that it's superior to
||| Rapidrise. They bluntly told me that Rapidrise is
||| dead... DEAD!, I tell ya... D-E-A-D <sniffling>
|||
||| To put it in one reps words, "The future is Dual
||| Control. Rapidrise is old, being replaced..." All
||| three I've spoken with have used "Dual Control" w/the
||| word "future" as if they are reciting something from
||| their Shimano propaganda.
|||
||| Rapidrise has served me very well. I don't understand
||| why I am being forced to adopt something else. Would
||| it kill Shimano to keep both systems? I guess so.
|||
||
|| Was RapidRise ever really alive to begin with?
|
| Replace RapidRise with RapidFire and the above makes
| more sense. Dual Control is replacing RapidFire, and
| doesn't Dual Control use RapidRise or whatever they're
| calling it now, anyway?
It's all in a name. When I asked the Shimano rep why the
Dual Control uses a Rapid Rise (reverse sprung) rear mech,
he about bit my head off - it's now called "Low Normal"
(sounds to me like 'below normal' intelligence.)
It means that, with the shortage they are now
experiencing, they are concentrating on their new stuff
and either ignoring or have totally discontinued XT and
XTR rear mechs with the proper springs in it.
I'll just come out and say it: The XT derailleurs (except
the 8s wimpy spring version) have always been my favorite.
They work well and work long and are worth every penny. I
have 7s era rears working today. I *DO NOT LIKE* the
reverse spring mech. It relies on the spring to pull the
chain to larger cogs, instead of the smaller ones. A cable
pulling the chain to larger cogs works better and more
reliably. Period.
No need to convince me. I'll be switching to SRAM next time
I need to replace parts.
Greg

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31 May 2004, 18:45 UTC #17

"KLydesdale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:

"Pistof" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
"The Nelson Paradigm" <[email hidden]> wrote
in message "]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then set
about ordering

their
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
replacement.
Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had them
in stock. Some

of
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
them blamed a shortage of Shimano parts.
More likely Shimano has already quit making these in
favor of the new

XTR
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
clone with the wiggly brake levers and the "Low
normal" (son of Rapid

Rise)
Quoted message said:
derailleur.
I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next
year. Prolly even Deore.
Make that bet. tinyurl.com2fp9w (links to
cyclingnews.com)
XTR = XT = LX in 2005
I've spoken with Shimano reps about Dual Control and
they feel very

strongly
Quoted message said:
that it's superior to Rapidrise. They bluntly told me
that Rapidrise is dead... DEAD!, I tell ya... D-E-A-D
<sniffling>
To put it in one reps words, "The future is Dual
Control. Rapidrise is

old,
Quoted message said:
being replaced..." All three I've spoken with have used
"Dual Control"
w/the word "future" as if they are reciting something
from their Shimano propaganda.
Rapidrise has served me very well. I don't understand
why I am being

forced
Quoted message said:
to adopt something else. Would it kill Shimano to keep
both systems? I guess so.
Was RapidRise ever really alive to begin with? I've never
had it on any

of
Quoted message said:
my bikes and none of the guys in my regular ride group has
ever used it in the ten or so years we've been riding
together.
Yeah, not RapidRise. I can't believe I wrote that. I meant
Rapid F-I-R-E. Thanks.
Rapidrise has to do w/the derailleur, not the shifters. Ugh.
I remember when Shimano first introduced the RapidRise XTR
derailleur. Everyone was jokingly calling it RapidDemise,
like it would be the end of Shimano. Guess not.
Quoted message said:
Remember, we're talking 'Normal" XT stuff here and
RapidRise was far from normal for XT derailleurs.

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Chris Phillipo
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1 June 2004, 15:15 UTC #18

In article <[email hidden]>,
dataylor123 @yahoo.com says...
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Yeah, not RapidRise. I can't believe I wrote that. I meant
Rapid F-I-R-E. Thanks.
Rapidrise has to do w/the derailleur, not the
shifters. Ugh.
I remember when Shimano first introduced the RapidRise XTR
derailleur. Everyone was jokingly calling it RapidDemise,
like it would be the end of Shimano. Guess not.
No, just the end of good shifting.
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Klydesdale
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1 June 2004, 22:15 UTC #19

"Pistof" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:

"KLydesdale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:

"Pistof" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
"The Nelson Paradigm" <[email hidden]>
wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
> We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then
> set about ordering

their
Quoted message said:
> replacement.
>
> Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had
> them in stock.

Some
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
of
Quoted message said:
> them blamed a shortage of Shimano parts.
>
> More likely Shimano has already quit making these in
> favor of the

new
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
XTR
Quoted message said:
> clone with the wiggly brake levers and the "Low
> normal" (son of

Rapid
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Rise)
> derailleur.
>
> I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX next
> year. Prolly

even
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> Deore.
Make that bet. tinyurl.com2fp9w (links to
cyclingnews.com)
XTR = XT = LX in 2005
I've spoken with Shimano reps about Dual Control and
they feel very

strongly
Quoted message said:
that it's superior to Rapidrise. They bluntly told me
that Rapidrise

is
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
dead... DEAD!, I tell ya... D-E-A-D <sniffling>
To put it in one reps words, "The future is Dual
Control. Rapidrise

is
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
old,
Quoted message said:
being replaced..." All three I've spoken with have
used "Dual

Control"
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
w/the word "future" as if they are reciting something
from their

Shimano
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
propaganda.
Rapidrise has served me very well. I don't understand
why I am being

forced
Quoted message said:
to adopt something else. Would it kill Shimano to keep
both systems?

I
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
guess so.
Was RapidRise ever really alive to begin with? I've
never had it on

any
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of
Quoted message said:
my bikes and none of the guys in my regular ride group
has ever used it

in
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Quoted message said:
the ten or so years we've been riding together.
Yeah, not RapidRise. I can't believe I wrote that. I
meant Rapid

F-I-R-E.
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Thanks.
You sounded so sure of yourself too. ;^)
I've tinkered with the Dual Control stuff on a friend's new
bike - I actually kind of like it. But not enough to pay
the prices they're asking to swap all my bikes over to it
and it's not the kind of thing I can see myself having on
just one bike So I see SRAM trigger shifters in my future.

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The Nelson Para
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1 June 2004, 23:45 UTC #20

"KLydesdale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
|
| "Pistof" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
| "]news:[email hidden]...
| >
| > "KLydesdale" <[email hidden]> wrote in
| > message "]news:[email hidden]...
| > >
| > > "Pistof" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
| > > "]news:[email hidden]...
| > > > "The Nelson Paradigm" <[email hidden]>
| > > > wrote in message news:2hnms5Ff7dthU1@uni-
| > > > berlin.de...
| > > > > We sold a set of XT 9s rapidfire pods today, then
| > > > > set about
ordering
| > > their
| > > > > replacement.
| > > > >
| > > > > Nobody, and I mean NOBODY we do business with had
| > > > > them in stock.
| Some
| > > of
| > > > > them blamed a shortage of Shimano parts.
| > > > >
| > > > > More likely Shimano has already quit making these
| > > > > in favor of the
| new
| > > XTR
| > > > > clone with the wiggly brake levers and the "Low
| > > > > normal" (son of
| Rapid
| > > > Rise)
| > > > > derailleur.
| > > > >
| > > > > I'm willing to bet this stuff drops down to LX
| > > > > next year. Prolly
| even
| > > > > Deore.
| > > >
| > > > Make that bet. tinyurl.com2fp9w (links to
| > > > cyclingnews.com)
| > > >
| > > > XTR = XT = LX in 2005
| > > >
| > > > I've spoken with Shimano reps about Dual Control and
| > > > they feel very
| > > strongly
| > > > that it's superior to Rapidrise. They bluntly told
| > > > me that
Rapidrise
| is
| > > > dead... DEAD!, I tell ya... D-E-A-D <sniffling>
| > > >
| > > > To put it in one reps words, "The future is Dual
| > > > Control. Rapidrise
| is
| > > old,
| > > > being replaced..." All three I've spoken with have
| > > > used "Dual
| Control"
| > > > w/the word "future" as if they are reciting
| > > > something from their
| Shimano
| > > > propaganda.
| > > >
| > > > Rapidrise has served me very well. I don't
| > > > understand why I am
being
| > > forced
| > > > to adopt something else. Would it kill Shimano to
| > > > keep both
systems?
| I
| > > > guess so.
| > > >
| > >
| > > Was RapidRise ever really alive to begin with? I've
| > > never had it on
| any
| > of
| > > my bikes and none of the guys in my regular ride group
| > > has ever used
it
| in
| > > the ten or so years we've been riding together.
| >
| > Yeah, not RapidRise. I can't believe I wrote that. I
| > meant Rapid
| F-I-R-E.
| > Thanks.
| >
|
|
| You sounded so sure of yourself too. ;^)
|
|I've tinkered with the Dual Control stuff on a friend's new
| bike - I
|actually kind of like it. But not enough to pay the prices
| they're
asking
| to swap all my bikes over to it and it's not the kind of
| thing I can see myself having on just one bike So I see
| SRAM trigger shifters in my future.
I may eventually try to hook some dual controls up to a
"normal" derailleur and see if it works at all.
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