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  1. Julia Altshuler said:

    From your post below, I'm not sure if you're asking what
    foods people avoid for political reasons or if you're
    asking what's a political reason as opposed to a religious
    or health one.

    Answer (C) All of the above. I asked several questions.

    Quoted message said:

    The more I think about this, the more I'm unsure of any of
    my motives. I'm positive I avoid salmon for health reasons.
    (It gives me a sore throat and makes me breathless.) I'm
    not sure exactly why I avoid McDonalds. It doesn't make me
    feel too great though I'm sure it wouldn't kill me if I
    were starving, and I've been known to eat other foods that
    aren't good for me. I don't care for the taste of the
    burgers though the fries and shakes are less objectionable.
    I also don't like the idea of the giant conglomerate on
    every corner though that feeling is as vague as my other
    reasons. Does that count as a political food avoidance?

    If you feel that avoidance is to make a stand against
    corporatisation, I guess that's a political reason. But I'm
    not sure, as I asked the question.

    Cheers Jon

  2. Pennyaline said:
    Jonski' who isn't trolling he says said:

    I was wondering though, what sort of things won't people
    eat, for political (not religoius) reasons. I'm not
    interested in kosha or halal but more the kind of thing
    like not eating foie gras.

    Oh, cuz you mean, like, I hate the whimpy unAmerican French
    so I won't eat their liverwurst? But you don't care WHY I
    don't eat halal? Why for?

    Because I didn't want anyone to get into a religious
    argument.

    I have no comment on the unAmerican French, I'm from New
    Zealand. We were a victim of state-sponsored French
    terrorism when they blew up a boat in our harbour and killed
    someone. But I like eating lamb's brains with bacon on
    toast. Go figure? :-)

    Quoted message said:

    But I absolutely love blood pudding and boiled dinners
    since Blair put everything on the line to back Uncle Sam n
    the Iraq Conflict, right?

    My wife is Irish; neither of us like blood pudding. But I
    love the crusty bloody gravy bits under a roast.

    Quoted message said:

    Of course, as with all things political, my terms are
    subject to change without notice.

    Oh, I reserve that right as well. I never claim to be
    consistent. :-)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Are vegetarians going to change the world? Meat is
    murder, right?

    Certainly they will. No good can come of killing all those
    vegetables!

    Put them into boiling water slowly; hear them scream!

    Cheers Jon

  3. On 25 May 2004 09:43:55 -0700, [email hidden] (Doug Freyburger)
    wrote:

    [A lot of good writing snipped]

    Quoted message said:

    I avoid dog because I was raised in a culture that keeps
    dogs as pets, so eating a dog is icky to me. But I think
    nothing of eating rabiit. I've known the occasional person
    who's kept a rabbit as a pet but they are mostly wild
    animals or food/fur animals. Realistically, I view my
    refusal to eat dog as politically motivated if I expand
    what "political" means widely enough.

    I was at a rabbit show in my student years. I was prodding a
    fluffy black thing through the wires of the cage and
    commented to my friend how good that would be in a
    casserole. Unfortunately, my friend had wandered off and it
    was the rabbit's owner standing beside me!

    Cheers Jon

  4. Tony Walton said:
    Jonski said:


    I was wondering though, what sort of things won't people
    eat, for political (not religoius) reasons. I'm not
    interested in kosha or halal but more the kind of thing
    like not eating foie gras.

    Quoted message said:

    Not me. If it stands still long enough I'll eat it, and
    if it moves I'll hit it with a stick until it stops,
    then eat it.

    Hah! My dad and his brothers are that way too, perhaps
    because they were raised during the depression. I honestly
    think my dad and his brothers will any anything that's
    organic. They look at me strange because I have a long list
    of foods I dislike such as: liver, frog's legs, eggplant,
    kidney, beets, brocolli, most melons, strawberries, most
    fish, turtle, squid, and so on. My dad and his two brothers
    are willing to try any food, but they do tend to shy away
    from high carb and high fat foods, just for health reasons,
    otherwise, if its organic, it is a food source.

  5. In article
    <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    Unfortunately I do not have too much knowledge which food
    is produced by manufacturers having a secret-recipe
    policy. Examples are welcome. Cocacola is one thing I
    don't drink for this reason (and another reason being that
    water with sugar is so much cheaper while having the same
    substantial value).


    Kentucky Fried Chicken.
    --
    Donna A pessimist believes all women are bad. An optimist
    hopes they are.

  6. "Miernik" wrote in message >

    Quoted message said:


    I am not going to eat any food which recipe is kept by the
    manufacturer in secret.

    It is a political reason: I care about the freedom to
    share recipes, to make changes in them, to make others
    improve the process. If the manufacturer is keeping the
    recipe in secret he prevents creativity of other people.
    He makes more people working only like machines
    reproducing his dish. Humans deserve to be given freedom
    of creativity. He prevents his workers sharing knowledge
    with his friends, as he probably had them sign an NDA. So
    he is forcing them to be less friendly. And finally he
    stops scientific progress of mankind.

    Unfortunately I do not have too much knowledge which food
    is produced by manufacturers having a secret-recipe
    policy. Examples are welcome. Cocacola is one thing I
    don't drink for this reason (and another reason being that
    water with sugar is so much cheaper while having the same
    substantial value).

    Miernik

    Bush's baked beans. I'm going to kidnap that dog and he
    *will* be telling.

    Dora

  7. Nancy Young <[email hidden]>
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    MrAoD said:

    and I finally worked up my courage to try the lactose-
    intolerant relief pills. Woo-hah, corn chowder here
    I come.

    Do they work well? I bought them once, they were rather
    expensive and you had to take like eight of them or
    something. Just curious.

    nancy

    I'm not lactose intolerant but I have friends that are. I
    was wondering the same thing, Nancy. I wonder how they work.
    I might serve 'em up as appetizers next time I have them
    over for Fettucini Alfredo.

    Michael

    --
    Deathbed statement...

    "Codeine . . . bourbon." ~~Tallulah Bankhead, actress, d.
    December 12, 1968

  8. JimLane said:


    Cindy Fuller wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Not eating at McDonald's or Burger King is a
    nutritional/food quality issue, at least for me. Not
    eating Domino's pizza is my food politics issue, because
    the founder/head honcho holds views and funds causes
    diametrically opposed to my views and causes. One can
    argue that the franchisee in my neighborhood may be a
    good Seattle liberal, but a portion of those profits
    still go back into the head honcho's pockets.

    Quoted message said:

    And all your friends who are holding stock in the company.
    Like taking money out of their packet, isn't it?

    I fail to see your point.

    nancy

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    JimLane said:
    Cindy Fuller said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Jonski said:

    Another poster on this newsgroup won't use lard/fat for
    cooking, as it doesn't match their food politics. Fair
    enough, I say.

    I was wondering though, what sort of things won't people
    eat, for political (not religoius) reasons. I'm not
    interested in kosha or halal but more the kind of thing
    like not eating foie gras.

    Not eating dog, horse, or foie gras is a cultural/animal
    rights issue. Not eating at McDonald's or Burger King is
    a nutritional/food quality issue, at least for me. Not
    eating Domino's pizza is my food politics issue, because
    the founder/head honcho holds views and funds causes
    diametrically opposed to my views and causes. One can
    argue that the franchisee in my neighborhood may be a
    good Seattle liberal, but a portion of those profits
    still go back into the head honcho's pockets.

    Cindy

    And all your friends who are holding stock in the company.
    Like taking money out of their packet, isn't it?


    Dominos is just now getting around to an IPO, which means
    the stock is currently not publicly held.

    Cindy

    --
    C.J. Fuller

    Delete the obvious to email me

  10. Michael Rolfe said:

    "Tony Walton" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Except, for some reason, insects. The idea of eating
    insects makes me shudder (I know I'm wrong here;
    honeyed locusts and witchetty grubs are perfectly
    good, but I'm shuddering as I type that!)

    Mopane worms aren't insects, though:

    In fact they are.

    Quoted message said:


    lodges.safari.co.zamopane worms gallery.html

    Insects, annelids, whatever.

    I'll broaden my statement to "The idea of eating insects,
    annelids, arachnids, helminths and similar creatures (but
    not molluscs, crustaceans or echinoderms) makes me shudder".

    lodges.safari.co.zalodges.safari.co.za seems not to be reachable at the
    moment, in fact.

    --
    Tony

  11. Quoted message said:

    Hah! My dad and his brothers are that way too, perhaps
    because they were raised during the depression. I honestly
    think my dad and his brothers will eat any anything that's
    organic.

    I'd say the Depression had the opposite effect on eating
    habits. My mother-in-law has said that they learned to eat
    everything during the Depression because there wasn't
    anything else, but they really got little variety compared
    to what's available today. When offered shellfish in a
    Chinese restaurant, she refuses it. That's normal enough for
    people who grew up not eating it and not knowing anyone who
    did, but I was surprised when she showed no interest in
    trying a mild goat cheese. It was simply too weird for her.

    --Lia

  12. Yeff <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Greg Zywicki said:

    Jonski <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:


    Are vegetarians going to change the world? Meat is
    murder, right?

    Them cows, pigs, and chickens had it coming to them,
    alls I'm sayin'.

    You were clearly provoked.

    Something like an attractive nuissance, in the very least.

  13. Quoted message said:

    Hah! My dad and his brothers are that way too, perhaps
    because they were raised during the depression. I honestly
    think my dad and his brothers will any anything that's
    organic.

    I don't think I'd go quite that far. Styrofoam's organic,
    but I do draw the line at McDonald's burger buns.

    --
    Tony

  14. Dog3 said:


    I'm not lactose intolerant but I have friends that are. I
    was wondering the same thing, Nancy. I wonder how they
    work. I might serve 'em up as appetizers next time I have
    them over for Fettucini Alfredo.

    If I take one or two Lactaid pills I can have a serving of
    whipped cream.

  15. Nancy Young said:
    JimLane said:

    Cindy Fuller wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Not eating at McDonald's or Burger King is a
    nutritional/food quality issue, at least for me. Not
    eating Domino's pizza is my food politics issue, because
    the founder/head honcho holds views and funds causes
    diametrically opposed to my views and causes. One can
    argue that the franchisee in my neighborhood may be a
    good Seattle liberal, but a portion of those profits
    still go back into the head honcho's pockets.

    Quoted message said:

    And all your friends who are holding stock in the company.
    Like taking money out of their packet, isn't it?

    I fail to see your point.

    nancy

    Obviously it went over your head. If your liberal friends
    were holding any Dominos stock (undergoing an IPO right now,
    granted, and they cannot own stock. . . but if they did) you
    would be denying your own friends a return on their
    investment just to get back at one person you disagree with.
    Sorta like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

    jim

  16. "Julia Altshuler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:Aq%sc.9502$eT4.2751@attbi_s54...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Hah! My dad and his brothers are that way too, perhaps
    because they were raised during the depression. I
    honestly think my dad and his brothers will eat any
    anything that's organic.

    I'd say the Depression had the opposite effect on eating
    habits. My mother-in-law has said that they learned to eat
    everything during the Depression because there wasn't
    anything else, but they really got little variety compared
    to what's available today. When offered shellfish in a
    Chinese restaurant, she refuses it. That's normal enough
    for people who grew up not eating it and not knowing
    anyone who did, but I was surprised when she showed no
    interest in trying a mild goat cheese. It was simply too
    weird for her.

    --Lia


    My mother was born in 1928 and she will try *anything*. Her
    father used to go to the old (they tore it down in the early
    to mid 1980's) Stop & Shop in the Chicago Loop at least once
    a week and would always bring home "weird" food (for the
    1930's) like avocado, boar, buffalo, any variety of organ
    meat etc. We were in Italy once in a restaurant in Piemonte
    and a word that I had never heard before was used by the
    waiter to describe a special appetizer. All I could tell her
    (she doesn't speak Italian) was that it was veal something
    in a green sauce. Turned out the word for the dish was in
    dialect and it was veal testicles in green sauce. I could
    *not* make myself eat it but mom thought it delicious. I
    know she's eaten insects on their travels, again, something
    I can't make myself try. I don't think this was affected one
    bit by the depression other than she abhors waste of any
    kind. Eating for her as a child was always an adventure
    because of her father - he was a telegrapher by training and
    worked for the Chicago Tribune covering sporting events all
    around the country. He'd visit all the ethnic haunts in
    every city he was assigned to follow a ball game. He
    acquired some very interesting tastes and his daughter was
    the only one who would try them at home with him. My Irish
    grandmother would just shrug and prepare other food for her
    and my uncle when something "weird" was brought home.

    Kate

  17. Dave Smith <[email hidden]> got [censored] and typed
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Dog3 said:


    I'm not lactose intolerant but I have friends that are. I
    was wondering the same thing, Nancy. I wonder how they
    work. I might serve 'em up as appetizers next time I have
    them over for Fettucini Alfredo.

    If I take one or two Lactaid pills I can have a serving of
    whipped cream.

    A big serving or do you still have to watch your intake? One
    of my friends that is lactose intolerant loves ice cream. I
    didn't realize how acute this condition can be until I was
    stuck with him one afternoon when he polished off a triple
    scoop of mocha almond fudge. He got very sick to his stomach
    and had the most horrible gas. I'm not kidding, I had to
    leave the car.

    Michael
    --
    Deathbed statement...

    "Codeine . . . bourbon." ~~Tallulah Bankhead, actress, d.
    December 12, 1968

  18. JimLane said:


    Nancy Young said:

    JimLane wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    And all your friends who are holding stock in the
    company. Like taking money out of their packet,
    isn't it?

    I fail to see your point.

    Quoted message said:

    Obviously it went over your head. If your liberal friends
    were holding any Dominos stock (undergoing an IPO right
    now, granted, and they cannot own stock. . . but if they
    did) you would be denying your own friends a return on
    their investment just to get back at one person you
    disagree with. Sorta like cutting off your nose to spite
    your face.

    I couldn't believe you really meant that, I thought I
    *must* really have missed your point. It's so ridiculous I
    don't know what to say in response. At the very least I
    don't owe anyone profits on the stocks they choose. Not
    even family members. Like, oh, my brother has Dominoes
    stock, let me order one of their disgusting pizzas? Sorry,
    bro, that's a no.

    nancy

  19. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:
    Nancy Young said:
    JimLane said:

    Cindy Fuller wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    >Not eating at McDonald's or Burger King is a
    >nutritional/food quality issue, at least for me. Not
    >eating Domino's pizza is my food politics issue,
    >because the founder/head honcho holds views and funds
    >causes diametrically opposed to my views and causes.
    >One can argue that the franchisee in my neighborhood
    >may be a good Seattle liberal, but a portion of those
    >profits still go back into the head honcho's pockets.

    Quoted message said:

    And all your friends who are holding stock in the
    company. Like taking money out of their packet,
    isn't it?

    I fail to see your point.

    nancy

    Obviously it went over your head. If your liberal friends
    were holding any Dominos stock (undergoing an IPO right
    now, granted, and they cannot own stock. . . but if they
    did) you would be denying your own friends a return on
    their investment just to get back at one person you
    disagree with. Sorta like cutting off your nose to spite
    your face.

    jim


    You're kidding, right? I have to put my own personal
    preferences aside in order to puff up the portfolio of a
    friend? What planet do you live on?

    --
    Donna A pessimist believes all women are bad. An optimist
    hopes they are.

  20. Nancy Young said:
    JimLane said:


    Nancy Young said:

    JimLane wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >And all your friends who are holding stock in the
    >company. Like taking money out of their packet,
    >isn't it?

    I fail to see your point.

    Quoted message said:

    Obviously it went over your head. If your liberal friends
    were holding any Dominos stock (undergoing an IPO right
    now, granted, and they cannot own stock. . . but if they
    did) you would be denying your own friends a return on
    their investment just to get back at one person you
    disagree with. Sorta like cutting off your nose to spite
    your face.

    I couldn't believe you really meant that, I thought I
    *must* really have missed your point. It's so ridiculous I
    don't know what to say in response. At the very least I
    don't owe anyone profits on the stocks they choose. Not
    even family members. Like, oh, my brother has Dominoes
    stock, let me order one of their disgusting pizzas? Sorry,
    bro, that's a no.

    nancy

    Nancy, I own a few shares of Seven Eleven, and I'm beggin
    you to buy a Big Gulp. Please. Do it for me.

    modom

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