feet first surface dive

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Hi folks

This is kind of related.

I want to take the Red Cross Lifeguard certifiction
course. One part is to grab a 10lb rubber brick off the
bottom of the pool. I'm doing a feet first surface dive to
get to the bottom.

The problem is, although I can get my feet to touch the
bottom of the pool, once I bend my knees to crouch to the
brick I start floating up.

Does anyone have any tips to get to the bottom faster and
be able to crouch down without driving myself away from
the brick?

Mark

If you dont have to go feet first, go head first -- and kick
as though the devil is after you.

If you have to go feet first, once you hit the bottom,
spread your arms out, and push your self down by "flapping"
your arms like a bird. crouch down into a ball, then rotate
so that you are in position to grab the brick. Once you have
it, kick hard to the surface.

Good luck, tell me if you can do this.

Micheal

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Hi folks

This is kind of related.

I want to take the Red Cross Lifeguard certifiction
course. One part is to grab a 10lb rubber brick off the
bottom of the pool. I'm doing a feet first surface dive to
get to the bottom.

The problem is, although I can get my feet to touch the
bottom of the pool, once I bend my knees to crouch to the
brick I start floating up.

Does anyone have any tips to get to the bottom faster and
be able to crouch down without driving myself away from
the brick?

Mark

Blow all the air out of your lungs and you'll sink much
better. However, you'll have to push off the bottom to get
to the surface again, or swim up.

I find myself agreeing with Heenan funnily enough...blow
half of your air our out once you're down there (or a little
more depending upon how buoyant you are), grab the brick and
swim up again after a HUGE push off of the bottom.

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Quoted message said:

Hi folks

This is kind of related.

I want to take the Red Cross Lifeguard certifiction
course. One part is to grab a 10lb rubber brick off the
bottom of the pool. I'm doing a feet first surface dive to
get to the bottom.

The problem is, although I can get my feet to touch the
bottom of the pool, once I bend my knees to crouch to the
brick I start floating up.

Does anyone have any tips to get to the bottom faster and
be able to crouch down without driving myself away from
the brick?

Mark

(Mark Juszczec) said:

Hi folks

This is kind of related.

I want to take the Red Cross Lifeguard certifiction
course. One part is to grab a 10lb rubber brick off the
bottom of the pool. I'm doing a feet first surface dive to
get to the bottom.

The problem is, although I can get my feet to touch the
bottom of the pool, once I bend my knees to crouch to the
brick I start floating up.

Does anyone have any tips to get to the bottom faster and
be able to crouch down without driving myself away from
the brick?

Swim breaststroke. ie, use your arms.

martin

On 20 May,

(Mark Juszczec) said:

Hi folks

This is kind of related.

I want to take the Red Cross Lifeguard certifiction
course. One part is to grab a 10lb rubber brick off the
bottom of the pool. I'm doing a feet first surface dive to
get to the bottom.

The problem is, although I can get my feet to touch the
bottom of the pool, once I bend my knees to crouch to the
brick I start floating up.

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Does anyone have any tips to get to the bottom faster and
be able to crouch down without driving myself away from
the brick?

breath out slowly on the way down to reduce your buoyancy.

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(Mark Juszczec) said:

Hi folks

This is kind of related.

I want to take the Red Cross Lifeguard certifiction
course. One part is to grab a 10lb rubber brick off the
bottom of the pool. I'm doing a feet first surface dive
to get to the bottom.

The problem is, although I can get my feet to touch the
bottom of the pool, once I bend my knees to crouch to the
brick I start floating up.

Does anyone have any tips to get to the bottom faster and
be able to crouch down without driving myself away from
the brick?

Swim breaststroke. ie, use your arms.

martin

You can not swim breaststroke feet first.

Actually, if you go feet first, do not blow the air out to
be able to sink. If it takes you a little time to find the
object, you will not be able to stay under too long.

What you want to do is jump in with your arms flush next to
your body. As you reach the bottom of the pool, bring you
arms up with your palms facing up. This will push you
further down. What you will be doing is a reverse
breaststroke motion and you will be pushing water up and
away from your body.

To keep yourself down you need to keep stroking towards the
surface with your palms facing up. once your hands get above
your head, point your fingers down and bring your arms
towards the bottom next to your body, trying not to push
water down, since this would start to push you up.

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Quoted message said:

Hi folks

This is kind of related.

I want to take the Red Cross Lifeguard certifiction
course. One part is to grab a 10lb rubber brick off the
bottom of the pool. I'm doing a feet first surface dive
to get to the bottom.

The problem is, although I can get my feet to touch the
bottom of the pool, once I bend my knees to crouch to
the brick I start floating up.

Does anyone have any tips to get to the bottom faster
and be able to crouch down without driving myself away
from the brick?

Mark

Blow all the air out of your lungs and you'll sink much
better. However, you'll have to push off the bottom to get
to the surface again, or swim up.

Duncan Heenan said:

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Quoted message said:

(Mark Juszczec) said:

Hi folks

This is kind of related.

I want to take the Red Cross Lifeguard certifiction
course. One part is to grab a 10lb rubber brick off the
bottom of the pool. I'm doing a feet first surface dive
to get to the bottom.

The problem is, although I can get my feet to touch the
bottom of the pool, once I bend my knees to crouch to
the brick I start floating up.

Does anyone have any tips to get to the bottom faster
and be able to crouch down without driving myself away
from the brick?

Swim breaststroke. ie, use your arms.

martin

You can not swim breaststroke feet first.

Why would you want to?

Now you screwed this up too. Read the man's problem: "The
problem is, although I can get my feet to touch the bottom
of the pool, once I bend my knees to crouch to the brick I
start floating up."

Feet first has nothing to do with it. You should spend
whatever time it takes to understand coaching before you
venture into the dangerous waters of reading comprehension.

martin

classically, i thought this test occured as though you are
coming from the deck to the middle of the pool, locating the
object from the surface and then submerging to retrieve it.
even blowing half you air out will give you a good 10-15
seconds to pick it up and get out. its easy to test this
out. all he has to do is try both methods. trying to scull
etc when under is wasteful of time and energy.

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Actually, if you go feet first, do not blow the air out to
be able to sink. If it takes you a little time to find the
object, you will not be able to stay under too long.

What you want to do is jump in with your arms flush next
to your body. As you reach the bottom of the pool, bring
you arms up with your palms facing up. This will push you
further down. What you will be doing is a reverse
breaststroke motion and you will be pushing water up and
away from your body.

To keep yourself down you need to keep stroking towards
the surface with your palms facing up. once your hands get
above your head, point your fingers down and bring your
arms towards the bottom next to your body, trying not to
push water down, since this would start to push you up.

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Quoted message said:

Hi folks

This is kind of related.

I want to take the Red Cross Lifeguard certifiction
course. One part is to grab a 10lb rubber brick off
the bottom of the pool. I'm doing a feet first surface
dive to get to the bottom.

The problem is, although I can get my feet to touch
the bottom of the pool, once I bend my knees to crouch
to the brick I start floating up.

Does anyone have any tips to get to the bottom faster
and be able to crouch down without driving myself away
from the brick?

Mark

Blow all the air out of your lungs and you'll sink much
better. However, you'll have to push off the bottom to
get to the surface again, or swim

up.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Martin W. Smith said:

Now you screwed this up too. Read the man's problem: "The
problem is, although I can get my feet to touch the bottom
of the pool, once I bend my knees to crouch to the brick I
start floating up."

Addressing the OP's problem, "bending my knees to crouch"
sounds a bit off. The OP may not have a firm grasp of
underwater physics.

You don't bend your knees to crouch, as most people float
rather than sinking to the bottom. You tuck your knees up
into a ball and extend your arms out sideways so you can
rotate to a head-down position. Then if you need to you can
swim the last meter or so down to the brick using
breaststroke, dolphin, or whatever.

Ross

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[email hidden] (Mark Juszczec) wrote:

>Hi folks
>
>This is kind of related.
>
>I want to take the Red Cross Lifeguard certifiction
>course. One part is to grab a 10lb rubber brick off
>the bottom of the pool. I'm doing a feet first surface
>dive to get to the bottom.
>
>The problem is, although I can get my feet to touch
>the bottom of the pool, once I bend my knees to crouch
>to the brick I start floating up.
>
>Does anyone have any tips to get to the bottom faster
>and be able to crouch down without driving myself away
>from the brick?

Swim breaststroke. ie, use your arms.

martin

You can not swim breaststroke feet first.

Why would you want to?

Now you screwed this up too. Read the man's problem: "The
problem is, although I can get my feet to touch the bottom
of the pool, once I bend my knees to crouch to the brick I
start floating up."

Feet first has nothing to do with it. You should spend
whatever time it takes to understand coaching before you
venture into the dangerous waters of reading
comprehension.

martin

Read the header.

Duncan Heenan said:

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"Duncan Heenan"

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"Martin W. Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> [email hidden] (Mark Juszczec) wrote:
>
> >Hi folks
> >
> >This is kind of related.
> >
> >I want to take the Red Cross Lifeguard certifiction
> >course. One part is to grab a 10lb rubber brick off
> >the bottom of the pool. I'm doing a feet first
> >surface dive to get to the bottom.
> >
> >The problem is, although I can get my feet to touch
> >the bottom of the pool, once I bend my knees to
> >crouch to the brick I start floating up.
> >
> >Does anyone have any tips to get to the bottom faster
> >and be able to crouch down without driving myself
> >away from the brick?
>
> Swim breaststroke. ie, use your arms.
>
> martin
>
You can not swim breaststroke feet first.

Why would you want to?

Now you screwed this up too. Read the man's problem: "The
problem is, although I can get my feet to touch the
bottom of the pool, once I bend my knees to crouch to the
brick I start floating up."

Feet first has nothing to do with it. You should spend
whatever time it takes to understand coaching before you
venture into the dangerous waters of reading
comprehension.

martin

Read the header.

Nothing to do with his problem.

Victory is mine.

here's my advice: don't call jumping in the pool a "feet
first surface dive"

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Hi folks

This is kind of related.

I want to take the Red Cross Lifeguard certifiction
course. One part is to grab a 10lb rubber brick off the
bottom of the pool. I'm doing a feet first surface dive to
get to the bottom.

The problem is, although I can get my feet to touch the
bottom of the pool, once I bend my knees to crouch to the
brick I start floating up.

Does anyone have any tips to get to the bottom faster and
be able to crouch down without driving myself away from
the brick?

Mark

oscargrouch said:

here's my advice: don't call jumping in the pool a "feet
first surface dive"

He didn't. He *is* doing a feet first surface dive. The test
begins in the water, not on the deck.

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Quoted message said:

Hi folks

This is kind of related.

I want to take the Red Cross Lifeguard certifiction
course. One part is to grab a 10lb rubber brick off the
bottom of the pool. I'm doing a feet first surface dive
to get to the bottom.

The problem is, although I can get my feet to touch the
bottom of the pool, once I bend my knees to crouch to the
brick I start floating up.

Does anyone have any tips to get to the bottom faster and
be able to crouch down without driving myself away from
the brick?

Mark

do you mean he's fully in the water already (treading) and
the "feet first surface dive" is just trying to drop down in
the water to get to the bottom? if so, and, mind you, i'm no
hydrokinesiologist, then that seems like a pretty damn
inefficient way to try to get to the bottom from that
position, especially if you want to pick something up when
you get there...isn't it easier to dive head first and swim
down there?

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oscargrouch said:

here's my advice: don't call jumping in the pool a "feet
first surface dive"

He didn't. He *is* doing a feet first surface dive. The
test begins in the water, not on the deck.

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Quoted message said:

Hi folks

This is kind of related.

I want to take the Red Cross Lifeguard certifiction
course. One part is to grab a 10lb rubber brick off the
bottom of the pool. I'm doing a feet first surface dive
to get to the bottom.

The problem is, although I can get my feet to touch the
bottom of the pool, once I bend my knees to crouch to
the brick I start floating up.

Does anyone have any tips to get to the bottom faster
and be able to crouch down without driving myself away
from the brick?

Mark

oscargrouch said:

do you mean he's fully in the water already (treading) and
the "feet first surface dive" is just trying to drop down
in the water to get to the bottom?

No, I mean he is in the water already, and he does a feet
first surface dive.

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if so, and, mind you, i'm no hydrokinesiologist, then that
seems like a pretty damn inefficient way to try to get to
the bottom from that position, especially if you want to
pick something up when you get there...isn't it easier to
dive head first and swim down there?

Have you never watched synchronized swimmers during a
competition?

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oscargrouch said:

here's my advice: don't call jumping in the pool a "feet
first surface dive"

He didn't. He *is* doing a feet first surface dive. The
test begins in the water, not on the deck.

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"Mark Juszczec" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Hi folks
>
> This is kind of related.
>
> I want to take the Red Cross Lifeguard certifiction
> course. One part is to grab a 10lb rubber brick off
> the bottom of the pool. I'm doing a feet first surface
> dive to get to the bottom.
>
> The problem is, although I can get my feet to touch
> the bottom of the pool, once I bend my knees to crouch
> to the brick I start floating up.
>
> Does anyone have any tips to get to the bottom faster
> and be able to crouch down without driving myself away
> from the brick?
>
> Mark

well using a term in its definition is brilliant...where'd
you learn that?

and not much, i must admit

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oscargrouch said:

do you mean he's fully in the water already (treading)
and the "feet

first

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surface dive" is just trying to drop down in the water to
get to the

bottom?

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No, I mean he is in the water already, and he does a feet
first surface dive.

Quoted message said:

if so, and, mind you, i'm no hydrokinesiologist, then
that seems like a pretty damn inefficient way to try to
get to the bottom from that

position,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

especially if you want to pick something up when you
get there...isn't it easier to dive head first and swim
down there?

Have you never watched synchronized swimmers during a
competition?

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"oscargrouch" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

>here's my advice: don't call jumping in the pool a
>"feet first surface dive"

He didn't. He *is* doing a feet first surface dive. The
test begins in the water, not on the deck.

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>> Hi folks
>>
>> This is kind of related.
>>
>> I want to take the Red Cross Lifeguard certifiction
>> course. One

part

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>> is to grab a 10lb rubber brick off the bottom of the
>> pool. I'm

doing

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>> a feet first surface dive to get to the bottom.
>>
>> The problem is, although I can get my feet to touch
>> the bottom of

the

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>> pool, once I bend my knees to crouch to the brick I
>> start floating

up.

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>>
>> Does anyone have any tips to get to the bottom
>> faster and be able to crouch down without driving
>> myself away from the brick?
>>
>> Mark
>

oscargrouch said:

well using a term in its definition is brilliant...where'd
you learn that?

I didn't define surface dive. The term has a well-known
definition. I assumed you knew it. Sorry. A surface dive is
a dive that begins on the surface, not above the surface,
and not below the surface. The surface dive is subdivided
into the head first and the feet first types, with the
obvious meanings.

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and not much, i must admit

Then I suppose you have never seen a feet first,
surface dive.

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oscargrouch said:

do you mean he's fully in the water already (treading)
and the "feet

first

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surface dive" is just trying to drop down in the water
to get to the

bottom?

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No, I mean he is in the water already, and he does a feet
first surface dive.

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if so, and, mind you, i'm no hydrokinesiologist, then
that seems like a pretty damn inefficient way to try to
get to the bottom from that

position,

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Quoted message said:

especially if you want to pick something up when you get
there...isn't it easier to dive head first and swim down
there?

Have you never watched synchronized swimmers during a
competition?

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> "oscargrouch" <[email hidden]>
> wrote:
>
> >here's my advice: don't call jumping in the pool a
> >"feet first surface dive"
>
> He didn't. He *is* doing a feet first surface dive.
> The test begins in the water, not on the deck.
>
> >"Mark Juszczec" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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> >> Hi folks
> >>
> >> This is kind of related.
> >>
> >> I want to take the Red Cross Lifeguard certifiction
> >> course. One

part

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> >> is to grab a 10lb rubber brick off the bottom of
> >> the pool. I'm

doing

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> >> a feet first surface dive to get to the bottom.
> >>
> >> The problem is, although I can get my feet to touch
> >> the bottom of

the

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> >> pool, once I bend my knees to crouch to the brick I
> >> start floating

up.

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> >>
> >> Does anyone have any tips to get to the bottom
> >> faster and be able to crouch down without driving
> >> myself away from the brick?
> >>
> >> Mark
> >
>

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oscargrouch said:

well using a term in its definition is brilliant...where'd
you learn that?

I didn't define surface dive. The term has a well-known
definition. I assumed you knew it. Sorry. A surface dive
is a dive that begins on the surface, not above the
surface, and not below the surface. The surface dive is
subdivided into the head first and the feet first types,
with the obvious meanings.

My opinion is that things really went wrong when he asked
you if the guy was already in the water and just wants to
get to the bottom and you said no. Probably you should
have said yes.

I too am a little confused by the question since the
instructor should have explained how to do the surface dive
before asking you to do it. If even using the techniques
your instructor taught you, you still can't do it, maybe
you're just too boyant. Nothing can change the laws of
physics. So I'm a little iffy on what kinds of tips you
might be looking for.

Anyway, to do a feet first surface dive, you spread your
arms out, push down and do a scizors kick at the same time.
Push yourself as far out of the water as possible. As you go
down, you swing your arms back up over your head providing
further force downward.

That should provide sufficient momentum to get you to the
bottom. You'll have to curl your legs as you touch bottom.
Letting out a little air at that point will help. Maybe
that's the key point. Don't let your momentum stop as you
hit bottom. You might have to exhale to do that.

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Then I suppose you have never seen a feet first,
surface dive.

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"oscargrouch" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

>do you mean he's fully in the water already (treading)
>and the "feet

first

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>surface dive" is just trying to drop down in the water
>to get to the

bottom?

Quoted message said:

No, I mean he is in the water already, and he does a
feet first surface dive.

>if so, and, mind you, i'm no hydrokinesiologist, then
>that seems like a pretty damn inefficient way to try to
>get to the bottom

from

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>that

position,

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>especially if you want to pick something up when you
>get there...isn't it easier to dive head first and swim
>down there?

Have you never watched synchronized swimmers during a
competition?

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>> "oscargrouch" <[email hidden]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >here's my advice: don't call jumping in the pool a
>> >"feet first surface dive"
>>
>> He didn't. He *is* doing a feet first surface dive.
>> The test begins in the water, not on the deck.
>>
>> >"Mark Juszczec" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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>> >> Hi folks
>> >>
>> >> This is kind of related.
>> >>
>> >> I want to take the Red Cross Lifeguard
>> >> certifiction course. One

part

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>> >> is to grab a 10lb rubber brick off the bottom of
>> >> the pool. I'm

doing

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>> >> a feet first surface dive to get to the bottom.
>> >>
>> >> The problem is, although I can get my feet to
>> >> touch the

bottom

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>> >> of

the

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>> >> pool, once I bend my knees to crouch to the brick
>> >> I start floating

up.

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>> >>
>> >> Does anyone have any tips to get to the bottom
>> >> faster and be able to crouch down without driving
>> >> myself away from the brick?
>> >>
>> >> Mark
>> >
>>
>

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