JOGLE Day 4

On Fri, 21 May 2004 19:5:23 -0001, [email hidden] (Richard

Bates) said:

Got from JOG to Dunbeath. Camping, cold, knackered.

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You say that people who drive to YHs annoy you. I was
reading somewhere (C+ ?) that the YHA used to forbid
arriving by car.

Quoted message said:

Got from JOG to Dunbeath. Camping, cold, knackered.

www.artybee.net for full report

What you need is a welcoming overnight stay in Norfolk, my
boy, where you can be amply supplied with home-cooked food,
supplied with ample quantities of el vino collapso, and
spend the night in a warm guest room in a comfy bed with
nice soft duvet...

If you've lost the contact details, email me, and I'll pick
it up on the wafflycat addy...

If you are veggie or a meat eater, I'll cook up a feast.

Cheers, Auntie helen s (worrying about urc regulars getting
cold and worn out)

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Quoted message said:

You say that people who drive to YHs annoy you. I was
reading somewhere (C+ ?) that the YHA used to forbid
arriving by car.

It's probably quite difficult to get from one hostel to
another within a day in some parts of the country now that
many of them have been closed in the YHA's rationalisation
programme. I don't have a difficulty with folk who drive to
Youth Hostels. The organisation is probably heavily
dependent on them as a core source of income. I'd rather the
network of hostels survive through the use of motorist
hostellers than to atrophy because of some puritanical
stance to preserve the original ethos of the organisation.

Quoted message said:

You say that people who drive to YHs annoy you. I was
reading somewhere (C+ ?) that the YHA used to forbid
arriving by car.

It's probably quite difficult to get from one hostel to
another within a day in some parts of the country now that
many of them have been closed in the YHA's rationalisation
programme. I don't have a difficulty with folk who drive to
Youth Hostels. The organisation is probably heavily
dependent on them as a core source of income. I'd rather the
network of hostels survive through the use of motorist
hostellers than to atrophy because of some puritanical
stance to preserve the original ethos of the organisation.

Not Responding said:

On Fri, 21 May 2004 19:5:23 -0001, [email hidden]

(Richard Bates) said:

Got from JOG to Dunbeath. Camping, cold, knackered.

www.artybee.net for full report

--
Sent from the middle of nowhere using a Psion Series 5
palmtop and a Motorola mobile phone.

You say that people who drive to YHs annoy you. I was
reading somewhere (C+ ?) that the YHA used to forbid
arriving by car.

Yes it did, and was so much better for it.

When staying at YHs now you now have to fill in a form that
asks for vehicle reg.no. I always put 'bike' (or 'trike'😉.

John B

"vernon levy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You say that people who drive to YHs annoy you. I was
reading somewhere (C+ ?) that the YHA used to forbid
arriving by car.

It's probably quite difficult to get from one hostel to
another within a

day

Quoted message said:

in some parts of the country now that many of them have
been closed in the YHA's rationalisation programme. I
don't have a difficulty with folk who drive to Youth
Hostels. The organisation is probably heavily dependent
on them as a core source of income. I'd rather the
network of hostels

survive

Quoted message said:

through the use of motorist hostellers than to atrophy
because of some puritanical stance to preserve the
original ethos of the organisation.

I'd agree with that. Last weekend I stayed in Lockton
Hostel. There were four of us, I arrived by bike, Barney on
foot and the other two guys in their own cars. One of them
kindly drove us to the pub, he didn't drink so everyone was
happy. They couldn't ban motorists, they'd only park in the
road and cause more problems, if they bothered to use the
YHs at all. If they didn't the places would close for good.
Its the large groups that I object to, so I can't get booked
in anywhere. I'll be in Bellingham YH next Saturday night
(29th) BTW at the end of day 1 on my three day Berwick-upon-
Tweed to Leeds Tour.

Not Responding said:

You say that people who drive to YHs annoy you. I was
reading somewhere (C+ ?) that the YHA used to forbid
arriving by car.

Yes, when I was younger you were not allowed to arrive by
car. If it was the start of your trip the form used to be to
park you car somewhere local but away from the hostel and
then walk the last quarter mile.

Tony

Not Responding said:

You say that people who drive to YHs annoy you. I was
reading somewhere (C+ ?) that the YHA used to forbid
arriving by car.

Yes, when I was younger you were not allowed to arrive by
car. If it was the start of your trip the form used to be to
park you car somewhere local but away from the hostel and
then walk the last quarter mile.

Tony

vernon levy said:

Quoted message said:

You say that people who drive to YHs annoy you. I was
reading somewhere (C+ ?) that the YHA used to forbid
arriving by car.

It's probably quite difficult to get from one hostel to
another within a day in some parts of the country now that
many of them have been closed in the YHA's rationalisation
programme.

They seem to want to cater for those looking for 'cheap'
accommodation in the cities on the 'Do Britain in 7 Days'
Tourist Trail'.

Quoted message said:

I don't have a difficulty with folk who drive to Youth
Hostels.

The main problem I have is that those arriving by motor
vehicle tend to have less consideration for those who have
walked or cycled. After a hard days riding one of the last
things I want is to be kept up late by loud televisions and
late arrivals from the pub.

Quoted message said:

The organisation is probably heavily dependent on them as
a core source of income.

You are probably unfortunately right :-( I have camped a lot
more since the YHA changed its rules.

John B

On Fri, 21 May 2004 21:16:30 +0100, "vernon levy" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You say that people who drive to YHs annoy you. I was
reading somewhere (C+ ?) that the YHA used to forbid
arriving by car.

It's probably quite difficult to get from one hostel to
another within a day in some parts of the country now that
many of them have been closed in the YHA's rationalisation
programme. I don't have a difficulty with folk who drive to
Youth Hostels. The organisation is probably heavily
dependent on them as a core source of income. I'd rather
the network of hostels survive through the use of motorist
hostellers than to atrophy because of some puritanical
stance to preserve the original ethos of the organisation.

I wasn't advocating a reinstatement of the rule; merely
observing.

I haven't done YHA'ing since I was 14, 20 years ago and
don't imagine I'll be rejoining in the foreseeable future.
How they run and fund their organisation is entirely none of
my business.

However, I do hope they do whatever is needed to retain
their vitality and usefulness.

vernon levy said:

Quoted message said:

You say that people who drive to YHs annoy you. I was
reading somewhere (C+ ?) that the YHA used to forbid
arriving by car.

It's probably quite difficult to get from one hostel to
another within a day in some parts of the country now that
many of them have been closed in the YHA's rationalisation
programme.

They seem to want to cater for those looking for 'cheap'
accommodation in the cities on the 'Do Britain in 7 Days'
Tourist Trail'.

Quoted message said:

I don't have a difficulty with folk who drive to Youth
Hostels.

The main problem I have is that those arriving by motor
vehicle tend to have less consideration for those who have
walked or cycled. After a hard days riding one of the last
things I want is to be kept up late by loud televisions and
late arrivals from the pub.

Quoted message said:

The organisation is probably heavily dependent on them as
a core source of income.

You are probably unfortunately right :-( I have camped a lot
more since the YHA changed its rules.

John B

MSeries said:

"vernon levy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You say that people who drive to YHs annoy you. I was
reading somewhere (C+ ?) that the YHA used to forbid
arriving by car.

Quoted message said:

Its the large groups that I object to, so I can't get
booked in anywhere

I couldn't agree more. One problem is that many school and
youth groups now demand exclusive use of hostels even if
they don't fill all the beds due to 'safety' concerns.

I have also come across couples booking four or six bedded
rooms just so they didn't have to share with anyone else.

John B

On Fri, 21 May 2004 21:16:30 +0100, "vernon levy" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You say that people who drive to YHs annoy you. I was
reading somewhere (C+ ?) that the YHA used to forbid
arriving by car.

It's probably quite difficult to get from one hostel to
another within a day in some parts of the country now that
many of them have been closed in the YHA's rationalisation
programme. I don't have a difficulty with folk who drive to
Youth Hostels. The organisation is probably heavily
dependent on them as a core source of income. I'd rather
the network of hostels survive through the use of motorist
hostellers than to atrophy because of some puritanical
stance to preserve the original ethos of the organisation.

I wasn't advocating a reinstatement of the rule; merely
observing.

I haven't done YHA'ing since I was 14, 20 years ago and
don't imagine I'll be rejoining in the foreseeable future.
How they run and fund their organisation is entirely none of
my business.

However, I do hope they do whatever is needed to retain
their vitality and usefulness.

MSeries said:

"vernon levy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You say that people who drive to YHs annoy you. I was
reading somewhere (C+ ?) that the YHA used to forbid
arriving by car.

Quoted message said:

Its the large groups that I object to, so I can't get
booked in anywhere

I couldn't agree more. One problem is that many school and
youth groups now demand exclusive use of hostels even if
they don't fill all the beds due to 'safety' concerns.

I have also come across couples booking four or six bedded
rooms just so they didn't have to share with anyone else.

John B

"JohnB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Not Responding said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You say that people who drive to YHs annoy you. I was
reading somewhere (C+ ?) that the YHA used to forbid
arriving by car.

Yes it did, and was so much better for it.

That must have been in the days when they used to expect you
to do some cleaning chores in't mornings as well then 😉
Things have moved on since..

I am a current member of YHA, having rejoined when the
children were small, many moons ago (the youngest is nearly
17 now). We always arrived by car, and booked a family
room. The reality is that people of all ages are much more
likely to arrive by car than any other means these days,
and that parents and their children - and probably everyone
else - can sleep better if families are in family rooms -
which is firmly the direction in which YHAs have been
moving - more family rooms, smaller dormitories too. I
think it's good. I don't see any problem about allowing
people to arrive by car, or the provision of family rooms,
or anything else that YHA has been doing over the years to
be more inclusive while delivering affordable accommodation
in remote and beautiful places.

Rich

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Richard Goodman <[email hidden]> writes

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"JohnB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Not Responding said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You say that people who drive to YHs annoy you. I was
reading somewhere (C+ ?) that the YHA used to forbid
arriving by car.

Yes it did, and was so much better for it.

That must have been in the days when they used to expect
you to do some cleaning chores in't mornings as well then
😉 Things have moved on since..

It wasn't that long ago that they stopped the chores thing,
the non car rule must have been some time earlier as I can't
remember it. I never mined the chores, but I can see why
they have dropped them.

Quoted message said:

I am a current member of YHA, having rejoined when the
children were small, many moons ago (the youngest is nearly
17 now). We always arrived by car, and booked a family
room. The reality is that people of all ages are much more
likely to arrive by car than any other means these days,
and that parents and their children - and probably everyone
else - can sleep better if families are in family rooms -
which is firmly the direction in which YHAs have been
moving - more family rooms, smaller dormitories too. I
think it's good.

The nice thing about arriving by bike, on foot etc. is that
you always feel just that little bit smug :-) - even though
I'm quite likely to arrive by car as well.......... Of
course it's a non-issue really as I can't see that the YHa
would have any realistic alternative.

I do like the family rooms, it means we were able to take
Elinor hostelling when she was 2, and hopefully spogling
will go a lot younger.
--
Chris French, Leeds

In message <[email hidden]>, JohnB
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

vernon levy said:

Quoted message said:

You say that people who drive to YHs annoy you. I was
reading somewhere (C+ ?) that the YHA used to forbid
arriving by car.

It's probably quite difficult to get from one hostel to
another within a day in some parts of the country now
that many of them have been closed in the YHA's
rationalisation programme.

They seem to want to cater for those looking for 'cheap'
accommodation in the cities on the 'Do Britain in 7 Days'
Tourist Trail'.

Hmm, most hostels are still either country or small town
ones. I would expect that the big city hostels are
significant money earners for the YHA, if that helps keep
the rest of the network open then all well and good.

Quoted message said:

--
Chris French, Leeds

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<[email hidden]>,
Richard Goodman <[email hidden]> writes

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"JohnB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Not Responding said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You say that people who drive to YHs annoy you. I was
reading somewhere (C+ ?) that the YHA used to forbid
arriving by car.

Yes it did, and was so much better for it.

That must have been in the days when they used to expect
you to do some cleaning chores in't mornings as well then
😉 Things have moved on since..

It wasn't that long ago that they stopped the chores thing,
the non car rule must have been some time earlier as I can't
remember it. I never mined the chores, but I can see why
they have dropped them.

Quoted message said:

I am a current member of YHA, having rejoined when the
children were small, many moons ago (the youngest is nearly
17 now). We always arrived by car, and booked a family
room. The reality is that people of all ages are much more
likely to arrive by car than any other means these days,
and that parents and their children - and probably everyone
else - can sleep better if families are in family rooms -
which is firmly the direction in which YHAs have been
moving - more family rooms, smaller dormitories too. I
think it's good.

The nice thing about arriving by bike, on foot etc. is that
you always feel just that little bit smug :-) - even though
I'm quite likely to arrive by car as well.......... Of
course it's a non-issue really as I can't see that the YHa
would have any realistic alternative.

I do like the family rooms, it means we were able to take
Elinor hostelling when she was 2, and hopefully spogling
will go a lot younger.
--
Chris French, Leeds

In message <[email hidden]>, JohnB
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

vernon levy said:

Quoted message said:

You say that people who drive to YHs annoy you. I was
reading somewhere (C+ ?) that the YHA used to forbid
arriving by car.

It's probably quite difficult to get from one hostel to
another within a day in some parts of the country now
that many of them have been closed in the YHA's
rationalisation programme.

They seem to want to cater for those looking for 'cheap'
accommodation in the cities on the 'Do Britain in 7 Days'
Tourist Trail'.

Hmm, most hostels are still either country or small town
ones. I would expect that the big city hostels are
significant money earners for the YHA, if that helps keep
the rest of the network open then all well and good.

Quoted message said:

--
Chris French, Leeds