Interesting Maintenance Results??

Before I get started - let me re-state for the record that I
am a huge WW fan.

As a program - it's great. And it really can set you
up for life.

But........ They're a business. Making money.

I don't feel that they support you a great deal once you've
reached goal. I found the previously supportive atmosphere
of the group became tinged with what I shall charitably call
envy. Add a dose of resentment to that from those that had
either been where I was and were back doing it over, or from
those who weren't getting there as fast as they wanted to.
The initial congratulatory, what an example you are, phase,
wore off pdq. Those struggling to lose a pound each week
were hardly likely to appreciate me panicking when I had
gained, leaving me feeling awkward when I wanted help, or
had lost more again. I almost felt I was outside the norm,
and my leader didn't really know how to support someone who
was doing it right. Don't get me wrong - my leader was
fantastic. It's just that meetings seemed to me to be to
support the journey, not the goal.

And if the support is gone, and you're wavering.......well,
it'd be kinda easy to fall off........

And there you are, a while down the line, a chunk of weight
back on, paying WW all over again.......

That's partially why, when I had put on some and started
back down, I've been doing it by myself (and here of course!
*grin*). I could go back now, and not pay, but I know I'd
face the same issues again.

--
krys

UK 157/129.8/126 Started March 1st 2001 GOAL August 16th
2001 ...busy going nowhere...

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I first labeled this "An interesting Maintenance thought"

At today's meeting there was the usual discussion of
losing and gaining and NOT losing. The leader
mentioned that the goal of WW is not the usual diet
behavior of losing weight to get to a goal, abandoning
the good behaviors and then regaining and then cycling
over and over.

One of the Lifetime members kind of suggested that she has
probably gained and lost about 100 pounds in the two years
since she attained Life. At that point, I also chimed in
that since it was nearly impossible to stay at exactly the
same weight week after week, that it really was a balance
of UPS and DOWNS. But clearly, not in the way of dieting
and 'end dieting' over and over.

That led me to think that I should track how much GAIN and
its hoped for generally complementary LOSS has occurred
while I'm "MAINTAINING."

After a bit of Excel balking at my lack of formula
knowlege (g), I added a new column that shows the total
GAIN since I reached Goal last year.

I think this may be an interesting number to contemplate.
It might even help put a bit of reality into the situation
of gaining and losing during MAINTENANCE. It is not
perfect but shows that there are ups and downs. I have to
think and accept that this is normal and natural. Again, I
THINK it would be nearly impossible to not have changes
from week to week over the course of months and hopefully
years of MAINTENANCE. And, clearly, some of that change is
a weight gain.

Maybe I should have reversed the "display" and showed how
much I have lost during Maintenance which might be a more
"positive" indicator????
(G) I guess I probably now know how to display that, too
and have both values.

So, with that explanation stated, since I hit goal (not
LIFETIME) I have gained:

32.8 pounds

And, fortunately, lost almost as much. This week was
a slight up and hopefully, maybe next week will be
back down.

I don't know if this means anything or not but I just laid
it out for whatever it might be worth.

Fred

That is an interesting concept. I would think that in the
long run you'd want to minimize your GAINS just in case you
stop having LOSSES.

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I first labeled this "An interesting Maintenance thought"

At today's meeting there was the usual discussion of
losing and gaining and NOT losing. The leader
mentioned that the goal of WW is not the usual diet
behavior of losing weight to get to a goal, abandoning
the good behaviors and then regaining and then cycling
over and over.

One of the Lifetime members kind of suggested that she has
probably gained and lost about 100 pounds in the two years
since she attained Life. At that point, I also chimed in
that since it was nearly impossible to stay at exactly the
same weight week after week, that it really was a balance
of UPS and DOWNS. But clearly, not in the way of dieting
and 'end dieting' over and over.

That led me to think that I should track how much GAIN and
its hoped for generally complementary LOSS has occurred
while I'm "MAINTAINING."

After a bit of Excel balking at my lack of formula
knowlege (g), I added a new column that shows the total
GAIN since I reached Goal last year.

I think this may be an interesting number to contemplate.
It might even help put a bit of reality into the situation
of gaining and losing during MAINTENANCE. It is not
perfect but shows that there are ups and downs. I have to
think and accept that this is normal and natural. Again, I
THINK it would be nearly impossible to not have changes
from week to week over the course of months and hopefully
years of MAINTENANCE. And, clearly, some of that change is
a weight gain.

Maybe I should have reversed the "display" and showed how
much I have lost during Maintenance which might be a more
"positive" indicator????
(G) I guess I probably now know how to display that, too
and have both values.

So, with that explanation stated, since I hit goal (not
LIFETIME) I have gained:

32.8 pounds

And, fortunately, lost almost as much. This week was
a slight up and hopefully, maybe next week will be
back down.

I don't know if this means anything or not but I just laid
it out for whatever it might be worth.

Fred

Interesting

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I first labeled this "An interesting Maintenance thought"

At today's meeting there was the usual discussion of
losing and gaining and NOT losing. The leader
mentioned that the goal of WW is not the usual diet
behavior of losing weight to get to a goal, abandoning
the good behaviors and then regaining and then cycling
over and over.

One of the Lifetime members kind of suggested that she has
probably gained and lost about 100 pounds in the two years
since she attained Life. At that point, I also chimed in
that since it was nearly impossible to stay at exactly the
same weight week after week, that it really was a balance
of UPS and DOWNS. But clearly, not in the way of dieting
and 'end dieting' over and over.

That led me to think that I should track how much GAIN and
its hoped for generally complementary LOSS has occurred
while I'm "MAINTAINING."

After a bit of Excel balking at my lack of formula
knowlege (g), I added a new column that shows the total
GAIN since I reached Goal last year.

I think this may be an interesting number to contemplate.
It might even help put a bit of reality into the situation
of gaining and losing during MAINTENANCE. It is not
perfect but shows that there are ups and downs. I have to
think and accept that this is normal and natural. Again, I
THINK it would be nearly impossible to not have changes
from week to week over the course of months and hopefully
years of MAINTENANCE. And, clearly, some of that change is
a weight gain.

Maybe I should have reversed the "display" and showed how
much I have lost during Maintenance which might be a more
"positive" indicator????
(G) I guess I probably now know how to display that, too
and have both values.

So, with that explanation stated, since I hit goal (not
LIFETIME) I have gained:

32.8 pounds

And, fortunately, lost almost as much. This week was
a slight up and hopefully, maybe next week will be
back down.

I don't know if this means anything or not but I just laid
it out for whatever it might be worth.

Fred

That is interesting. Want to hear a coincidence? I
looked back at my chart from my first year of
maintenance (Feb 2001 - Feb 2002). I gained just under
30 pounds and lost the same.

For me, it boils down to an acceptable range of weight
rather than a specific number. Some weeks I was on the high
end of the range, other weeks, on the low end.

Thanks for making me look at it this way!

Best, Diane
--
182.6/171/165 mini/150 LT

On Wed, 19 May 2004 12:16:49 -0700, Fred <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I first labeled this "An interesting Maintenance thought"

At today's meeting there was the usual discussion of losing and
gaining and NOT losing. The leader mentioned that the goal of WW is
not the usual diet behavior of losing weight to get to a goal,
abandoning the good behaviors and then regaining and then cycling over
and over.

One of the Lifetime members kind of suggested that she has probably
gained and lost about 100 pounds in the two years since she attained
Life. At that point, I also chimed in that since it was nearly
impossible to stay at exactly the same weight week after week, that it
really was a balance of UPS and DOWNS. But clearly, not in the way of
dieting and 'end dieting' over and over.

That led me to think that I should track how much GAIN and its hoped
for generally complementary LOSS has occurred while I'm "MAINTAINING."

After a bit of Excel balking at my lack of formula knowlege (g), I
added a new column that shows the total GAIN since I reached Goal last
year.

I think this may be an interesting number to contemplate. It might
even help put a bit of reality into the situation of gaining and
losing during MAINTENANCE. It is not perfect but shows that there are
ups and downs. I have to think and accept that this is normal and
natural. Again, I THINK it would be nearly impossible to not have
changes from week to week over the course of months and hopefully
years of MAINTENANCE. And, clearly, some of that change is a weight
gain.

Maybe I should have reversed the "display" and showed how much I have
lost during Maintenance which might be a more "positive" indicator????
(G) I guess I probably now know how to display that, too and have
both values.

So, with that explanation stated, since I hit goal (not LIFETIME) I
have gained:

32.8 pounds

And, fortunately, lost almost as much. This week was a slight up and
hopefully, maybe next week will be back down.

I don't know if this means anything or not but I just laid it out for
whatever it might be worth.

Fred

Looking at those types of numbers seems to be a way of keeping it in
perspective, Lee
Fred <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I first labeled this "An interesting Maintenance thought"

At today's meeting there was the usual discussion of
losing and gaining and NOT losing. The leader
mentioned that the goal of WW is not the usual diet
behavior of losing weight to get to a goal, abandoning
the good behaviors and then regaining and then cycling
over and over.

One of the Lifetime members kind of suggested that she has
probably gained and lost about 100 pounds in the two years
since she attained Life. At that point, I also chimed in
that since it was nearly impossible to stay at exactly the
same weight week after week, that it really was a balance
of UPS and DOWNS. But clearly, not in the way of dieting
and 'end dieting' over and over.

That led me to think that I should track how much GAIN and
its hoped for generally complementary LOSS has occurred
while I'm "MAINTAINING."

After a bit of Excel balking at my lack of formula
knowlege (g), I added a new column that shows the total
GAIN since I reached Goal last year.

I think this may be an interesting number to contemplate.
It might even help put a bit of reality into the situation
of gaining and losing during MAINTENANCE. It is not
perfect but shows that there are ups and downs. I have to
think and accept that this is normal and natural. Again, I
THINK it would be nearly impossible to not have changes
from week to week over the course of months and hopefully
years of MAINTENANCE. And, clearly, some of that change is
a weight gain.

Maybe I should have reversed the "display" and showed how
much I have lost during Maintenance which might be a more
"positive" indicator????
(G) I guess I probably now know how to display that, too
and have both values.

So, with that explanation stated, since I hit goal (not
LIFETIME) I have gained:

32.8 pounds

And, fortunately, lost almost as much. This week was
a slight up and hopefully, maybe next week will be
back down.

I don't know if this means anything or not but I just laid
it out for whatever it might be worth.

Fred

I think it would be interesting to log it. Normal weight fluctuations
are not gains and loss but fluctuations. Keep up the good work on
maintenance by reacting to the weekly ups or downs.
Michelle : Ozzie in Switzerland
69.8/59.6/61kg

Fred said:

I first labeled this "An interesting Maintenance thought"

At today's meeting there was the usual discussion of losing
and gaining and NOT losing. The leader mentioned that the
goal of WW is not the usual diet behavior of losing weight
to get to a goal, abandoning the good behaviors and then
regaining and then cycling over and over.

One of the Lifetime members kind of suggested that she has
probably gained and lost about 100 pounds in the two years
since she attained Life. At that point, I also chimed in
that since it was nearly impossible to stay at exactly the
same weight week after week, that it really was a balance
of UPS and DOWNS. But clearly, not in the way of dieting
and 'end dieting' over and over.

That led me to think that I should track how much GAIN and
its hoped for generally complementary LOSS has occurred
while I'm "MAINTAINING."

After a bit of Excel balking at my lack of formula knowlege
(g), I added a new column that shows the total GAIN since I
reached Goal last year.

I think this may be an interesting number to contemplate.
It might even help put a bit of reality into the situation
of gaining and losing during MAINTENANCE. It is not
perfect but shows that there are ups and downs. I have to
think and accept that this is normal and natural. Again, I
THINK it would be nearly impossible to not have changes
from week to week over the course of months and hopefully
years of MAINTENANCE. And, clearly, some of that change is
a weight gain.

Maybe I should have reversed the "display" and showed how
much I have lost during Maintenance which might be a more
"positive" indicator????
(G) I guess I probably now know how to display that, too
and have both values.

So, with that explanation stated, since I hit goal (not
LIFETIME) I have gained:

32.8 pounds

And, fortunately, lost almost as much. This week was a
slight up and hopefully, maybe next week will be back down.

I don't know if this means anything or not but I just laid
it out for whatever it might be worth.

Fred

I tend to agree with you here. They (WW) have figured out
how to teach people to lose weight. They know how to support
them in this effort. Once you reach goal/lifetime and no
longer paying them, the support tends to disappear. Sure you
can go to the meetings but from what I have seen you are on
your own to figure out this thing called Lifetime. I wonder,
too, if they have hopes that you will fail and come back as
a paying customer.

"krys" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2h24u5F7rns5U1@uni-
berlin.de...

Quoted message said:

Before I get started - let me re-state for the record that
I am a huge WW fan.

As a program - it's great. And it really can set you up
for life.

But........ They're a business. Making money.

I don't feel that they support you a great deal once
you've reached goal.

I

Quoted message said:

found the previously supportive atmosphere of the group
became tinged with what I shall charitably call envy. Add
a dose of resentment to that from those that had either
been where I was and were back doing it over, or

from

Quoted message said:

those who weren't getting there as fast as they wanted to.
The initial congratulatory, what an example you are,
phase, wore off pdq. Those struggling to lose a pound each
week were hardly likely to appreciate me panicking when I
had gained, leaving me feeling awkward when I wanted

help,

Quoted message said:

or had lost more again. I almost felt I was outside the
norm, and my

leader

Quoted message said:

didn't really know how to support someone who was doing it
right. Don't

get

Quoted message said:

me wrong - my leader was fantastic. It's just that
meetings seemed to me

to

Quoted message said:

be to support the journey, not the goal.

And if the support is gone, and you're
wavering.......well, it'd be kinda easy to fall
off........

And there you are, a while down the line, a chunk of
weight back on,

paying

Quoted message said:

WW all over again.......

That's partially why, when I had put on some and started
back down, I've been doing it by myself (and here of
course! *grin*). I could go back

now,

Quoted message said:

and not pay, but I know I'd face the same issues again.

--
krys

UK 157/129.8/126 Started March 1st 2001 GOAL August 16th
2001 ...busy going nowhere...

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I first labeled this "An interesting Maintenance
thought"

At today's meeting there was the usual discussion of
losing and gaining and NOT losing. The leader
mentioned that the goal of WW is not the usual diet
behavior of losing weight to get to a goal, abandoning
the good behaviors and then regaining and then cycling
over and over.

One of the Lifetime members kind of suggested that she
has probably gained and lost about 100 pounds in the two
years since she attained Life. At that point, I also
chimed in that since it was nearly impossible to stay at
exactly the same weight week after week, that it really
was a balance of UPS and DOWNS. But clearly, not in the
way of dieting and 'end dieting' over and over.

That led me to think that I should track how much GAIN
and its hoped for generally complementary LOSS has
occurred while I'm "MAINTAINING."

After a bit of Excel balking at my lack of formula
knowlege (g), I added a new column that shows the total
GAIN since I reached Goal last year.

I think this may be an interesting number to
contemplate. It might even help put a bit of reality
into the situation of gaining and losing during
MAINTENANCE. It is not perfect but shows that there are
ups and downs. I have to think and accept that this is
normal and natural. Again, I THINK it would be nearly
impossible to not have changes from week to week over
the course of months and hopefully years of MAINTENANCE.
And, clearly, some of that change is a weight gain.

Maybe I should have reversed the "display" and showed
how much I have lost during Maintenance which might be a
more "positive" indicator????
(G) I guess I probably now know how to display that,
too and have both values.

So, with that explanation stated, since I hit goal (not
LIFETIME) I have gained:

32.8 pounds

And, fortunately, lost almost as much. This week was
a slight up and hopefully, maybe next week will be
back down.

I don't know if this means anything or not but I just
laid it out for whatever it might be worth.

Fred

I am no expert and have only been doing this for about a
year.

But I do not think it is possible to minimize the gains. I
think swings are natural. I guess maybe if one really,
really, really accurately journaled and knew exactly what
activity points one really earned one might be able to get
close or closer.

Yes, I may have learned from NYC's trip that I really can't
do 3 POINT-LADEN desserts but I should have known that
anyway. Now I really do. I might have walked about 2 miles
in Manhattan one night and did a 4-5 mile walk (not hike)
another day. We that little exercise, I should have watched
a bit better. I guess sitting in an airplane for 12 hours
and sweating over whether the pilot could fly the thing was
not worth as many points as I thought (G)

I think I would like to explore this a bit more. The
article someone posted the other day on the Long Term
Weight Registry might be a starting point. Now to find that
link again...

Fred

Laura said:

That is an interesting concept. I would think that in the
long run you'd want to minimize your GAINS just in case you
stop having LOSSES.

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I first labeled this "An interesting Maintenance thought"

At today's meeting there was the usual discussion of
losing and gaining and NOT losing. The leader
mentioned that the goal of WW is not the usual diet
behavior of losing weight to get to a goal, abandoning
the good behaviors and then regaining and then cycling
over and over.

One of the Lifetime members kind of suggested that she
has probably gained and lost about 100 pounds in the two
years since she attained Life. At that point, I also
chimed in that since it was nearly impossible to stay at
exactly the same weight week after week, that it really
was a balance of UPS and DOWNS. But clearly, not in the
way of dieting and 'end dieting' over and over.

That led me to think that I should track how much GAIN
and its hoped for generally complementary LOSS has
occurred while I'm "MAINTAINING."

After a bit of Excel balking at my lack of formula
knowlege (g), I added a new column that shows the total
GAIN since I reached Goal last year.

I think this may be an interesting number to contemplate.
It might even help put a bit of reality into the
situation of gaining and losing during MAINTENANCE. It is
not perfect but shows that there are ups and downs. I
have to think and accept that this is normal and natural.
Again, I THINK it would be nearly impossible to not have
changes from week to week over the course of months and
hopefully years of MAINTENANCE. And, clearly, some of
that change is a weight gain.

Maybe I should have reversed the "display" and showed how
much I have lost during Maintenance which might be a more
"positive" indicator????
(G) I guess I probably now know how to display that, too
and have both values.

So, with that explanation stated, since I hit goal (not
LIFETIME) I have gained:

32.8 pounds

And, fortunately, lost almost as much. This week was
a slight up and hopefully, maybe next week will be
back down.

I don't know if this means anything or not but I just
laid it out for whatever it might be worth.

Fred

That is sad that you don't have the support system for the
Lifetime members. I know at my meeting my leader (who has
been at or near goal for 35 years now) always mentions the
lifetime members in the room that are at their goal and asks
their total weight loss and how they manage to keep the
weight off while maintaining. As you said it is a business,
but she wants people to keep coming so they don't gain and
come back to lose again, she wants to see you no matter
what, but she always points out the life time members in the
room who are at goal.

I think most lifetime members that are at goal, just weigh
and leave, so you don't hear as much from them.

Debbie

"krys" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2h24u5F7rns5U1@uni-
berlin.de...

Quoted message said:

Before I get started - let me re-state for the record that
I am a huge WW fan.

As a program - it's great. And it really can set you up
for life.

But........ They're a business. Making money.

I don't feel that they support you a great deal once
you've reached goal.

I

Quoted message said:

found the previously supportive atmosphere of the group
became tinged with what I shall charitably call envy. Add
a dose of resentment to that from those that had either
been where I was and were back doing it over, or

from

Quoted message said:

those who weren't getting there as fast as they wanted to.
The initial congratulatory, what an example you are,
phase, wore off pdq. Those struggling to lose a pound each
week were hardly likely to appreciate me panicking when I
had gained, leaving me feeling awkward when I wanted

help,

Quoted message said:

or had lost more again. I almost felt I was outside the
norm, and my

leader

Quoted message said:

didn't really know how to support someone who was doing it
right. Don't

get

Quoted message said:

me wrong - my leader was fantastic. It's just that
meetings seemed to me

to

Quoted message said:

be to support the journey, not the goal.

And if the support is gone, and you're
wavering.......well, it'd be kinda easy to fall
off........

And there you are, a while down the line, a chunk of
weight back on,

paying

Quoted message said:

WW all over again.......

That's partially why, when I had put on some and started
back down, I've been doing it by myself (and here of
course! *grin*). I could go back

now,

Quoted message said:

and not pay, but I know I'd face the same issues again.

--
krys

UK 157/129.8/126 Started March 1st 2001 GOAL August 16th
2001 ...busy going nowhere...

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I first labeled this "An interesting Maintenance
thought"

At today's meeting there was the usual discussion of
losing and gaining and NOT losing. The leader
mentioned that the goal of WW is not the usual diet
behavior of losing weight to get to a goal, abandoning
the good behaviors and then regaining and then cycling
over and over.

One of the Lifetime members kind of suggested that she
has probably gained and lost about 100 pounds in the two
years since she attained Life. At that point, I also
chimed in that since it was nearly impossible to stay at
exactly the same weight week after week, that it really
was a balance of UPS and DOWNS. But clearly, not in the
way of dieting and 'end dieting' over and over.

That led me to think that I should track how much GAIN
and its hoped for generally complementary LOSS has
occurred while I'm "MAINTAINING."

After a bit of Excel balking at my lack of formula
knowlege (g), I added a new column that shows the total
GAIN since I reached Goal last year.

I think this may be an interesting number to
contemplate. It might even help put a bit of reality
into the situation of gaining and losing during
MAINTENANCE. It is not perfect but shows that there are
ups and downs. I have to think and accept that this is
normal and natural. Again, I THINK it would be nearly
impossible to not have changes from week to week over
the course of months and hopefully years of MAINTENANCE.
And, clearly, some of that change is a weight gain.

Maybe I should have reversed the "display" and showed
how much I have lost during Maintenance which might be a
more "positive" indicator????
(G) I guess I probably now know how to display that,
too and have both values.

So, with that explanation stated, since I hit goal (not
LIFETIME) I have gained:

32.8 pounds

And, fortunately, lost almost as much. This week was
a slight up and hopefully, maybe next week will be
back down.

I don't know if this means anything or not but I just
laid it out for whatever it might be worth.

Fred

Krys, Interestingly, I had the same experience. My leader
rarely called on me and often avoided my questions or
comments. Almost as if I were a threat to her.

I considered becoming a leader just so I would be able to
talk about what I was going through occassionally! Of
course, being a leader is a lot more than that, which is why
I never went through with it.

I'm not sure what the answer to this is, but wanted to share
that I felt the same way before my pregnancy.

Best, Diane
--
182.6/171/165 mini/150 LT

On Wed, 19 May 2004 23:23:31 +0100, "krys" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Before I get started - let me re-state for the record that I am a huge WW
fan.

As a program - it's great. And it really can set you up for life.

But........
They're a business. Making money.

I don't feel that they support you a great deal once you've reached goal. I
found the previously supportive atmosphere of the group became tinged with
what I shall charitably call envy. Add a dose of resentment to that from
those that had either been where I was and were back doing it over, or from
those who weren't getting there as fast as they wanted to. The initial
congratulatory, what an example you are, phase, wore off pdq. Those
struggling to lose a pound each week were hardly likely to appreciate me
panicking when I had gained, leaving me feeling awkward when I wanted help,
or had lost more again. I almost felt I was outside the norm, and my leader
didn't really know how to support someone who was doing it right. Don't get
me wrong - my leader was fantastic. It's just that meetings seemed to me to
be to support the journey, not the goal.

And if the support is gone, and you're wavering.......well, it'd be kinda
easy to fall off........

And there you are, a while down the line, a chunk of weight back on, paying
WW all over again.......

That's partially why, when I had put on some and started back down, I've
been doing it by myself (and here of course! *grin*). I could go back now,
and not pay, but I know I'd face the same issues again.

That's what it is - another way of looking at it. And with
numbers rather than just impressions of what is happening.

dcb said:

That is interesting. Want to hear a coincidence? I looked
back at my chart from my first year of maintenance (Feb
2001 - Feb 2002). I gained just under 30 pounds and lost
the same.

For me, it boils down to an acceptable range of weight
rather than a specific number. Some weeks I was on the high
end of the range, other weeks, on the low end.

Thanks for making me look at it this way!

Best, Diane

interesting, Lee
krys <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Before I get started - let me re-state for the record that
I am a huge WW fan.

As a program - it's great. And it really can set you up
for life.

But........ They're a business. Making money.

I don't feel that they support you a great deal once
you've reached goal.

I

Quoted message said:

found the previously supportive atmosphere of the group
became tinged with what I shall charitably call envy. Add
a dose of resentment to that from those that had either
been where I was and were back doing it over, or

from

Quoted message said:

those who weren't getting there as fast as they wanted to.
The initial congratulatory, what an example you are,
phase, wore off pdq. Those struggling to lose a pound each
week were hardly likely to appreciate me panicking when I
had gained, leaving me feeling awkward when I wanted

help,

Quoted message said:

or had lost more again. I almost felt I was outside the
norm, and my

leader

Quoted message said:

didn't really know how to support someone who was doing it
right. Don't

get

Quoted message said:

me wrong - my leader was fantastic. It's just that
meetings seemed to me

to

Quoted message said:

be to support the journey, not the goal.

And if the support is gone, and you're
wavering.......well, it'd be kinda easy to fall
off........

And there you are, a while down the line, a chunk of
weight back on,

paying

Quoted message said:

WW all over again.......

That's partially why, when I had put on some and started
back down, I've been doing it by myself (and here of
course! *grin*). I could go back

now,

Quoted message said:

and not pay, but I know I'd face the same issues again.

--
krys

UK 157/129.8/126 Started March 1st 2001 GOAL August 16th
2001 ...busy going nowhere...

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I first labeled this "An interesting Maintenance
thought"

At today's meeting there was the usual discussion of
losing and gaining and NOT losing. The leader
mentioned that the goal of WW is not the usual diet
behavior of losing weight to get to a goal, abandoning
the good behaviors and then regaining and then cycling
over and over.

One of the Lifetime members kind of suggested that she
has probably gained and lost about 100 pounds in the two
years since she attained Life. At that point, I also
chimed in that since it was nearly impossible to stay at
exactly the same weight week after week, that it really
was a balance of UPS and DOWNS. But clearly, not in the
way of dieting and 'end dieting' over and over.

That led me to think that I should track how much GAIN
and its hoped for generally complementary LOSS has
occurred while I'm "MAINTAINING."

After a bit of Excel balking at my lack of formula
knowlege (g), I added a new column that shows the total
GAIN since I reached Goal last year.

I think this may be an interesting number to
contemplate. It might even help put a bit of reality
into the situation of gaining and losing during
MAINTENANCE. It is not perfect but shows that there are
ups and downs. I have to think and accept that this is
normal and natural. Again, I THINK it would be nearly
impossible to not have changes from week to week over
the course of months and hopefully years of MAINTENANCE.
And, clearly, some of that change is a weight gain.

Maybe I should have reversed the "display" and showed
how much I have lost during Maintenance which might be a
more "positive" indicator????
(G) I guess I probably now know how to display that,
too and have both values.

So, with that explanation stated, since I hit goal (not
LIFETIME) I have gained:

32.8 pounds

And, fortunately, lost almost as much. This week was
a slight up and hopefully, maybe next week will be
back down.

I don't know if this means anything or not but I just
laid it out for whatever it might be worth.

Fred

almost like you need one of those scales that mark the goal weight as zero
and then logs up or down each WI and then some way to chart it to make it a
visual graph of how close you are staying at ground zero, Lee
Michelle Guy <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I think it would be interesting to log it. Normal weight
fluctuations are not gains and loss but fluctuations. Keep
up the good work on maintenance by reacting to the weekly
ups or downs. Michelle : Ozzie in Switzerland
69.8/59.6/61kg

Fred said:

I first labeled this "An interesting Maintenance thought"

At today's meeting there was the usual discussion of
losing and gaining and NOT losing. The leader
mentioned that the goal of WW is not the usual diet
behavior of losing weight to get to a goal, abandoning
the good behaviors and then regaining and then cycling
over and over.

One of the Lifetime members kind of suggested that she
has probably gained and lost about 100 pounds in the two
years since she attained Life. At that point, I also
chimed in that since it was nearly impossible to stay at
exactly the same weight week after week, that it really
was a balance of UPS and DOWNS. But clearly, not in the
way of dieting and 'end dieting' over and over.

That led me to think that I should track how much GAIN
and its hoped for generally complementary LOSS has
occurred while I'm "MAINTAINING."

After a bit of Excel balking at my lack of formula
knowlege (g), I added a new column that shows the total
GAIN since I reached Goal last year.

I think this may be an interesting number to contemplate.
It might even help put a bit of reality into the
situation of gaining and losing during MAINTENANCE. It is
not perfect but shows that there are ups and downs. I
have to think and accept that this is normal and natural.
Again, I THINK it would be nearly impossible to not have
changes from week to week over the course of months and
hopefully years of MAINTENANCE. And, clearly, some of
that change is a weight gain.

Maybe I should have reversed the "display" and showed how
much I have lost during Maintenance which might be a more
"positive" indicator????
(G) I guess I probably now know how to display that, too
and have both values.

So, with that explanation stated, since I hit goal (not
LIFETIME) I have gained:

32.8 pounds

And, fortunately, lost almost as much. This week was
a slight up and hopefully, maybe next week will be
back down.

I don't know if this means anything or not but I just
laid it out for whatever it might be worth.

Fred

Please post the link if you ever find it.

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I am no expert and have only been doing this for
about a year.

But I do not think it is possible to minimize the gains. I
think swings are natural. I guess maybe if one really,
really, really accurately journaled and knew exactly what
activity points one really earned one might be able to get
close or closer.

Yes, I may have learned from NYC's trip that I really
can't do 3 POINT-LADEN desserts but I should have known
that anyway. Now I really do. I might have walked about 2
miles in Manhattan one night and did a 4-5 mile walk (not
hike) another day. We that little exercise, I should have
watched a bit better. I guess sitting in an airplane for
12 hours and sweating over whether the pilot could fly the
thing was not worth as many points as I thought (G)

I think I would like to explore this a bit more. The
article someone posted the other day on the Long Term
Weight Registry might be a starting point. Now to find
that link again...

Fred

Laura said:

That is an interesting concept. I would think that in the
long run you'd want to minimize your GAINS just in case
you stop having LOSSES.

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I first labeled this "An interesting Maintenance
thought"

At today's meeting there was the usual discussion of
losing and gaining and NOT losing. The leader mentioned
that the goal of WW is not the usual diet behavior of
losing weight to get to a goal, abandoning the good
behaviors and then regaining and then cycling over and
over.

One of the Lifetime members kind of suggested that she
has probably gained and lost about 100 pounds in the
two years since she attained Life. At that point, I
also chimed in that since it was nearly impossible to
stay at exactly the same weight week after week, that
it really was a balance of UPS and DOWNS. But clearly,
not in the way of dieting and 'end dieting' over and
over.

That led me to think that I should track how much GAIN
and its hoped for generally complementary LOSS has
occurred while I'm "MAINTAINING."

After a bit of Excel balking at my lack of formula
knowlege (g), I added a new column that shows the total
GAIN since I reached Goal last year.

I think this may be an interesting number to
contemplate. It might even help put a bit of reality
into the situation of gaining and losing during
MAINTENANCE. It is not perfect but shows that there are
ups and downs. I have to think and accept that this is
normal and natural. Again, I THINK it would be nearly
impossible to not have changes from week to week over
the course of months and hopefully years of
MAINTENANCE. And, clearly, some of that change is a
weight gain.

Maybe I should have reversed the "display" and showed
how much I have lost during Maintenance which might be
a more "positive" indicator????
(G) I guess I probably now know how to display that,
too and have both values.

So, with that explanation stated, since I hit goal (not
LIFETIME) I have gained:

32.8 pounds

And, fortunately, lost almost as much. This week was a
slight up and hopefully, maybe next week will be back
down.

I don't know if this means anything or not but I just
laid it out for whatever it might be worth.

Fred

The sweating wouldn't earn me many points, its the refuge in adult beverages
when I fly that would kill me, Lee, NOT interested in flying
Fred <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I am no expert and have only been doing this for
about a year.

But I do not think it is possible to minimize the gains. I
think swings are natural. I guess maybe if one really,
really, really accurately journaled and knew exactly what
activity points one really earned one might be able to get
close or closer.

Yes, I may have learned from NYC's trip that I really
can't do 3 POINT-LADEN desserts but I should have known
that anyway. Now I really do. I might have walked about 2
miles in Manhattan one night and did a 4-5 mile walk (not
hike) another day. We that little exercise, I should have
watched a bit better. I guess sitting in an airplane for
12 hours and sweating over whether the pilot could fly the
thing was not worth as many points as I thought (G)

I think I would like to explore this a bit more. The
article someone posted the other day on the Long Term
Weight Registry might be a starting point. Now to find
that link again...

Fred

Laura said:

That is an interesting concept. I would think that in the
long run you'd want to minimize your GAINS just in case
you stop having LOSSES.

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I first labeled this "An interesting Maintenance
thought"

At today's meeting there was the usual discussion of
losing and gaining and NOT losing. The leader mentioned
that the goal of WW is not the usual diet behavior of
losing weight to get to a goal, abandoning the good
behaviors and then regaining and then cycling over and
over.

One of the Lifetime members kind of suggested that she
has probably gained and lost about 100 pounds in the
two years since she attained Life. At that point, I
also chimed in that since it was nearly impossible to
stay at exactly the same weight week after week, that
it really was a balance of UPS and DOWNS. But clearly,
not in the way of dieting and 'end dieting' over and
over.

That led me to think that I should track how much GAIN
and its hoped for generally complementary LOSS has
occurred while I'm "MAINTAINING."

After a bit of Excel balking at my lack of formula
knowlege (g), I added a new column that shows the total
GAIN since I reached Goal last year.

I think this may be an interesting number to
contemplate. It might even help put a bit of reality
into the situation of gaining and losing during
MAINTENANCE. It is not perfect but shows that there are
ups and downs. I have to think and accept that this is
normal and natural. Again, I THINK it would be nearly
impossible to not have changes from week to week over
the course of months and hopefully years of
MAINTENANCE. And, clearly, some of that change is a
weight gain.

Maybe I should have reversed the "display" and showed
how much I have lost during Maintenance which might be
a more "positive" indicator????
(G) I guess I probably now know how to display that,
too and have both values.

So, with that explanation stated, since I hit goal (not
LIFETIME) I have gained:

32.8 pounds

And, fortunately, lost almost as much. This week was a
slight up and hopefully, maybe next week will be back
down.

I don't know if this means anything or not but I just
laid it out for whatever it might be worth.

Fred

May 16, "Keys to Success" was the subject. Diane was
the poster.

Laura said:

Please post the link if you ever find it.

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I am no expert and have only been doing this for about
a year.

But I do not think it is possible to minimize the gains.
I think swings are natural. I guess maybe if one really,
really, really accurately journaled and knew exactly what
activity points one really earned one might be able to
get close or closer.

Yes, I may have learned from NYC's trip that I really
can't do 3 POINT-LADEN desserts but I should have known
that anyway. Now I really do. I might have walked about 2
miles in Manhattan one night and did a 4-5 mile walk (not
hike) another day. We that little exercise, I should have
watched a bit better. I guess sitting in an airplane for
12 hours and sweating over whether the pilot could fly
the thing was not worth as many points as I thought (G)

I think I would like to explore this a bit more. The
article someone posted the other day on the Long Term
Weight Registry might be a starting point. Now to find
that link again...

Fred

Laura said:

That is an interesting concept. I would think that in
the long run you'd want to minimize your GAINS just in
case you stop having LOSSES.

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
> I first labeled this "An interesting Maintenance
> thought"
>
> At today's meeting there was the usual discussion of
> losing and gaining and NOT losing. The leader
> mentioned that the goal of WW is not the usual diet
> behavior of losing weight to get to a goal, abandoning
> the good behaviors and then regaining and then cycling
> over and over.
>
> One of the Lifetime members kind of suggested that she
> has probably gained and lost about 100 pounds in the
> two years since she attained Life. At that point, I
> also chimed in that since it was nearly impossible to
> stay at exactly the same weight week after week, that
> it really was a balance of UPS and DOWNS. But clearly,
> not in the way of dieting and 'end dieting' over and
> over.
>
> That led me to think that I should track how much GAIN
> and its hoped for generally complementary LOSS has
> occurred while I'm "MAINTAINING."
>
> After a bit of Excel balking at my lack of formula
> knowlege (g), I added a new column that shows the
> total GAIN since I reached Goal last year.
>
> I think this may be an interesting number to
> contemplate. It might even help put a bit of reality
> into the situation of gaining and losing during
> MAINTENANCE. It is not perfect but shows that there
> are ups and downs. I have to think and accept that
> this is normal and natural. Again, I THINK it would be
> nearly impossible to not have changes from week to
> week over the course of months and hopefully years of
> MAINTENANCE. And, clearly, some of that change is a
> weight gain.
>
> Maybe I should have reversed the "display" and showed
> how much I have lost during Maintenance which might be
> a more "positive" indicator????
> (G) I guess I probably now know how to display that,
> too and have both values.
>
> So, with that explanation stated, since I hit goal
> (not LIFETIME) I have gained:
>
> 32.8 pounds
>
> And, fortunately, lost almost as much. This week was a
> slight up and hopefully, maybe next week will be back
> down.
>
> I don't know if this means anything or not but I just
> laid it out for whatever it might be worth.
>
> Fred

Fred I am in that study, been since I lost the first
100 or so and kept them off. It is The Miriam Hospital
National Weight Control Registry. They send surveys out
every year asking how you are doing, and what you are
eating and all kinds of stuff. I had to provide Dr's
records. It is pretty interesting. See here
lifespan.orgnwcrOpen ↗
They gave me credit before I got to goal. There are
some interesting new studies going on right now, to do
with regain.

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

May 16, "Keys to Success" was the subject. Diane was
the poster.

Laura said:

Please post the link if you ever find it.

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I am no expert and have only been doing this for about
a year.

But I do not think it is possible to minimize the
gains. I think swings are natural. I guess maybe if one
really, really, really accurately journaled and knew
exactly what activity points one really earned one
might be able to get close or closer.

Yes, I may have learned from NYC's trip that I really
can't do 3 POINT-LADEN desserts but I should have known
that anyway. Now I really do. I might have walked about
2 miles in Manhattan one night and did a 4-5 mile walk
(not hike) another day. We that little exercise, I
should have watched a bit better. I guess sitting in an
airplane for 12 hours and sweating over whether the
pilot could fly the thing was not worth as many points
as I thought (G)

I think I would like to explore this a bit more. The
article someone posted the other day on the Long Term
Weight Registry might be a starting point. Now to find
that link again...

Fred

On Wed, 19 May 2004 22:32:36 GMT, "Laura"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>That is an interesting concept. I would think that in
>the long run

you'd

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>want to minimize your GAINS just in case you stop
>having LOSSES.
>
>"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>"]news:[email hidden]...
>> I first labeled this "An interesting Maintenance
>> thought"
>>
>> At today's meeting there was the usual discussion of
>> losing and gaining and NOT losing. The leader
>> mentioned that the goal of WW is not the usual diet
>> behavior of losing weight to get to a goal,
>> abandoning the good behaviors and then regaining and
>> then cycling

over

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> and over.
>>
>> One of the Lifetime members kind of suggested that
>> she has probably gained and lost about 100 pounds in
>> the two years since she attained Life. At that
>> point, I also chimed in that since it was nearly
>> impossible to stay at exactly the same weight week
>> after week, that

it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> really was a balance of UPS and DOWNS. But clearly,
>> not in the way

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> dieting and 'end dieting' over and over.
>>
>> That led me to think that I should track how much
>> GAIN and its hoped for generally complementary LOSS
>> has occurred while I'm

"MAINTAINING."

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>
>> After a bit of Excel balking at my lack of formula
>> knowlege (g), I added a new column that shows the
>> total GAIN since I reached Goal

last

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> year.
>>
>> I think this may be an interesting number to
>> contemplate. It might even help put a bit of reality
>> into the situation of gaining and losing during
>> MAINTENANCE. It is not perfect but shows that there

are

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> ups and downs. I have to think and accept that this
>> is normal and natural. Again, I THINK it would be
>> nearly impossible to not have changes from week to
>> week over the course of months and hopefully years
>> of MAINTENANCE. And, clearly, some of that change is
>> a weight gain.
>>
>> Maybe I should have reversed the "display" and
>> showed how much I

have

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> lost during Maintenance which might be a more
>> "positive"

indicator????

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> (G) I guess I probably now know how to display
>> that, too and have both values.
>>
>> So, with that explanation stated, since I hit goal
>> (not LIFETIME) I have gained:
>>
>> 32.8 pounds
>>
>> And, fortunately, lost almost as much. This week was
>> a slight up

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> hopefully, maybe next week will be back down.
>>
>> I don't know if this means anything or not but I
>> just laid it out

for

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> whatever it might be worth.
>>
>> Fred
>>

Thanks for the additional info and the link - I'm checking
it out now....

Lesanne said:

Fred I am in that study, been since I lost the first
100 or so and kept them off. It is The Miriam Hospital
National Weight Control Registry. They send surveys out
every year asking how you are doing, and what you are
eating and all kinds of stuff. I had to provide Dr's
records. It is pretty interesting. See here
lifespan.orgnwcrOpen ↗
They gave me credit before I got to goal. There are
some interesting new studies going on right now, to do
with regain.

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

May 16, "Keys to Success" was the subject. Diane was the
poster.

Laura said:

Please post the link if you ever find it.

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
> I am no expert and have only been doing this for about
> a year.
>
> But I do not think it is possible to minimize the
> gains. I think swings are natural. I guess maybe if
> one really, really, really accurately journaled and
> knew exactly what activity points one really earned
> one might be able to get close or closer.
>
> Yes, I may have learned from NYC's trip that I really
> can't do 3 POINT-LADEN desserts but I should have
> known that anyway. Now I really do. I might have
> walked about 2 miles in Manhattan one night and did a
> 4-5 mile walk (not hike) another day. We that little
> exercise, I should have watched a bit better. I guess
> sitting in an airplane for 12 hours and sweating over
> whether the pilot could fly the thing was not worth as
> many points as I thought (G)
>
> I think I would like to explore this a bit more. The
> article someone posted the other day on the Long Term
> Weight Registry might be a starting point. Now to find
> that link again...
>
> Fred
>
> On Wed, 19 May 2004 22:32:36 GMT, "Laura"
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >That is an interesting concept. I would think that in
> >the long run

you'd

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> >want to minimize your GAINS just in case you stop
> >having LOSSES.
> >
> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >"]news:[email hidden]...
> >> I first labeled this "An interesting Maintenance
> >> thought"
> >>
> >> At today's meeting there was the usual discussion
> >> of losing and gaining and NOT losing. The leader
> >> mentioned that the goal of WW is not the usual diet
> >> behavior of losing weight to get to a goal,
> >> abandoning the good behaviors and then regaining
> >> and then cycling

over

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> >> and over.
> >>
> >> One of the Lifetime members kind of suggested that
> >> she has probably gained and lost about 100 pounds
> >> in the two years since she attained Life. At that
> >> point, I also chimed in that since it was nearly
> >> impossible to stay at exactly the same weight week
> >> after week, that

it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> >> really was a balance of UPS and DOWNS. But clearly,
> >> not in the way

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> >> dieting and 'end dieting' over and over.
> >>
> >> That led me to think that I should track how much
> >> GAIN and its hoped for generally complementary LOSS
> >> has occurred while I'm

"MAINTAINING."

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> >>
> >> After a bit of Excel balking at my lack of formula
> >> knowlege (g), I added a new column that shows the
> >> total GAIN since I reached Goal

last

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> >> year.
> >>
> >> I think this may be an interesting number to
> >> contemplate. It might even help put a bit of
> >> reality into the situation of gaining and losing
> >> during MAINTENANCE. It is not perfect but shows
> >> that there

are

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> >> ups and downs. I have to think and accept that this
> >> is normal and natural. Again, I THINK it would be
> >> nearly impossible to not have changes from week to
> >> week over the course of months and hopefully years
> >> of MAINTENANCE. And, clearly, some of that change
> >> is a weight gain.
> >>
> >> Maybe I should have reversed the "display" and
> >> showed how much I

have

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> >> lost during Maintenance which might be a more
> >> "positive"

indicator????

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> >> (G) I guess I probably now know how to display
> >> that, too and have both values.
> >>
> >> So, with that explanation stated, since I hit goal
> >> (not LIFETIME) I have gained:
> >>
> >> 32.8 pounds
> >>
> >> And, fortunately, lost almost as much. This week
> >> was a slight up

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> >> hopefully, maybe next week will be back down.
> >>
> >> I don't know if this means anything or not but I
> >> just laid it out

for

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> >> whatever it might be worth.
> >>
> >> Fred
> >>
>